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70 apm?
that's it?
you have got to be kidding me...
I am so fucking tired of these faggot noobs that come on here and talk about how they are in the diamond league and so fucking good.. god, it makes me want to puke hearing them go on about themselves..
no, 70 apm is not enough to play at the best level. No, you're not as good as you think you are. And no, you'll never fucking amount to anything in SCII.
If you're looking for a computer game to play, try CS. It's really easy, so a shitty gamer like yourself should have no problem with it.
Remember, SCII is for men, and you're just a boy.
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On July 05 2010 01:48 micropede3 wrote:
70 apm?
that's it?
you have got to be kidding me...
I am so fucking tired of these faggot noobs that come on here and talk about how they are in the diamond league and so fucking good.. god, it makes me want to puke hearing them go on about themselves..
no, 70 apm is not enough to play at the best level. No, you're not as good as you think you are. And no, you'll never fucking amount to anything in SCII.
If you're looking for a computer game to play, try CS. It's really easy, so a shitty gamer like yourself should have no problem with it.
Remember, SCII is for men, and you're just a boy.
rage moar pls.
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On July 05 2010 01:48 micropede3 wrote:
70 apm?
that's it?
you have got to be kidding me...
I am so fucking tired of these faggot noobs that come on here and talk about how they are in the diamond league and so fucking good.. god, it makes me want to puke hearing them go on about themselves..
no, 70 apm is not enough to play at the best level. No, you're not as good as you think you are. And no, you'll never fucking amount to anything in SCII.
If you're looking for a computer game to play, try CS. It's really easy, so a shitty gamer like yourself should have no problem with it.
Remember, SCII is for men, and you're just a boy.
Hypocrite.
As far as laddering goes, you will do just fine with strong play and good strategy.
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On July 05 2010 01:48 micropede3 wrote:
70 apm?
that's it?
you have got to be kidding me...
I am so fucking tired of these faggot noobs that come on here and talk about how they are in the diamond league and so fucking good.. god, it makes me want to puke hearing them go on about themselves..
no, 70 apm is not enough to play at the best level. No, you're not as good as you think you are. And no, you'll never fucking amount to anything in SCII.
If you're looking for a computer game to play, try CS. It's really easy, so a shitty gamer like yourself should have no problem with it.
Remember, SCII is for men, and you're just a boy.
calm the hell down.
70 is easily enough for diamond (I had around 70 and was ~30 diamond)
Just at least have fun while you play (unlike this raging troll)
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Remember, SCII is for men, and you're just a boy.
Then what is BW for? Walking balls of steel?
Also I wanna mention that TLO, everytime I see the APM counter, seems to be around 120. So I think you can actually get pretty damn good with around 140-150 APM. ;D
SB
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On July 05 2010 01:44 farseer_dk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 01:41 Snuggles wrote:
120-150 is certainly enough for a good spot on the Diamond league.
Even though all of us pretty much agrees that you don't need an insane amount of APM to be successful, I'm pretty sure you'd need quite a bit as the game gets older and older.
I mean I play Zerg, I've been practicing with the AI this whole time working on having high APM NON-SPAM. I can hit the 170 - 230 range quite easily late game because there is soooooo much to do, and that's just my macro. I suck so I can't multitask with my micro very well, but in battles when you micro and also macro at the same time, your APM will shoot up like crazy. So when SC2 is out long enough for people to get really good at it, I predict that 200 + APMs will be a norm. I doubt 300+ APM will be around like it was in BW, for the obvious reasons. What AI do you play against? I can very easily beat every non-cheating AI I've tried... I need a sparring partner.
I've been playing against the Dark green tea AI and the regular one, but mostly the dark green tea.
I never cheese the ai of course because there wouldn't be any point to it so I always let the game run into the late stage where things would get pretty tough. I used to lose a lot to it, not because I couldn't keep it up, but because I wasn't doing what I needed to do at the right times. Which again is why being smart and knowing what to do should come before high APM.
Now I'm able to beat the AI consistently on all match-ups during the late-game because it forced me to do good well timed transitions and put out the damage I needed to do WHERE I needed to do it (hitting a fresh expo rather than going straight for the main). So basically it was a lot of decision making training.
I'm really looking forward to the beta coming back up. I never really massed games, but this month I massed a ton against the AIs so I want to see how much better I've gotten. I need a practice partner too, to play like 25+ games a day and work on our timing. I really want to get good at SC2 >.<
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On July 05 2010 01:53 farseer_dk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 01:48 micropede3 wrote:
70 apm?
that's it?
you have got to be kidding me...
I am so fucking tired of these faggot noobs that come on here and talk about how they are in the diamond league and so fucking good.. god, it makes me want to puke hearing them go on about themselves..
no, 70 apm is not enough to play at the best level. No, you're not as good as you think you are. And no, you'll never fucking amount to anything in SCII.
If you're looking for a computer game to play, try CS. It's really easy, so a shitty gamer like yourself should have no problem with it.
Remember, SCII is for men, and you're just a boy. rage moar pls.
stfu you dumb canadian
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On July 05 2010 01:48 micropede3 wrote:
70 apm?
that's it?
you have got to be kidding me...
I am so fucking tired of these faggot noobs that come on here and talk about how they are in the diamond league and so fucking good.. god, it makes me want to puke hearing them go on about themselves..
no, 70 apm is not enough to play at the best level. No, you're not as good as you think you are. And no, you'll never fucking amount to anything in SCII.
If you're looking for a computer game to play, try CS. It's really easy, so a shitty gamer like yourself should have no problem with it.
Remember, SCII is for men, and you're just a boy.
Axslav is 80 APM most of the time. Tactics CAN outdo mechanics. Mind you three of his ITL wins are against Azz, Antimage, and CauthonLuck.
Care to comment on this?
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On July 05 2010 01:58 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 01:48 micropede3 wrote:
70 apm?
that's it?
you have got to be kidding me...
I am so fucking tired of these faggot noobs that come on here and talk about how they are in the diamond league and so fucking good.. god, it makes me want to puke hearing them go on about themselves..
no, 70 apm is not enough to play at the best level. No, you're not as good as you think you are. And no, you'll never fucking amount to anything in SCII.
If you're looking for a computer game to play, try CS. It's really easy, so a shitty gamer like yourself should have no problem with it.
Remember, SCII is for men, and you're just a boy. Axslav is 80 APM most of the time. Tactics CAN outdo mechanics. Mind you three of his ITL wins are against Azz, Antimage, and CauthonLuck. Care to comment on this?
Yeah, and i beat all of those players (including axslav) with the exception of cauthonluck (have never played him) and i know my apm is lower than 90 
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On July 05 2010 01:48 micropede3 wrote:
70 apm?
that's it?
you have got to be kidding me...
I am so fucking tired of these faggot noobs that come on here and talk about how they are in the diamond league and so fucking good.. god, it makes me want to puke hearing them go on about themselves..
no, 70 apm is not enough to play at the best level. No, you're not as good as you think you are. And no, you'll never fucking amount to anything in SCII.
If you're looking for a computer game to play, try CS. It's really easy, so a shitty gamer like yourself should have no problem with it.
Remember, SCII is for men, and you're just a boy.
Relax man.
People aren't really gunning to be a "progamer". SC2 at the "best" level isn't going to be around until the game is out for a few years. 70 apm is enough to have a good spot on the diamond league. And I'm positive most of these diamond league players understand that they don't amount to anything when faced against the real tournament playing pros =P
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On July 05 2010 01:56 micropede3 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 01:53 farseer_dk wrote:On July 05 2010 01:48 micropede3 wrote:
70 apm?
that's it?
you have got to be kidding me...
I am so fucking tired of these faggot noobs that come on here and talk about how they are in the diamond league and so fucking good.. god, it makes me want to puke hearing them go on about themselves..
no, 70 apm is not enough to play at the best level. No, you're not as good as you think you are. And no, you'll never fucking amount to anything in SCII.
If you're looking for a computer game to play, try CS. It's really easy, so a shitty gamer like yourself should have no problem with it.
Remember, SCII is for men, and you're just a boy. rage moar pls. stfu you dumb canadian
such a troll
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On July 05 2010 01:56 Snuggles wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 01:44 farseer_dk wrote:On July 05 2010 01:41 Snuggles wrote:
120-150 is certainly enough for a good spot on the Diamond league.
Even though all of us pretty much agrees that you don't need an insane amount of APM to be successful, I'm pretty sure you'd need quite a bit as the game gets older and older.
I mean I play Zerg, I've been practicing with the AI this whole time working on having high APM NON-SPAM. I can hit the 170 - 230 range quite easily late game because there is soooooo much to do, and that's just my macro. I suck so I can't multitask with my micro very well, but in battles when you micro and also macro at the same time, your APM will shoot up like crazy. So when SC2 is out long enough for people to get really good at it, I predict that 200 + APMs will be a norm. I doubt 300+ APM will be around like it was in BW, for the obvious reasons. What AI do you play against? I can very easily beat every non-cheating AI I've tried... I need a sparring partner. I've been playing against the Dark green tea AI and the regular one, but mostly the dark green tea. I never cheese the ai of course because there wouldn't be any point to it so I always let the game run into the late stage where things would get pretty tough. I used to lose a lot to it, not because I couldn't keep it up, but because I wasn't doing what I needed to do at the right times. Which again is why being smart and knowing what to do should come before high APM. Now I'm able to beat the AI consistently on all match-ups during the late-game because it forced me to do good well timed transitions and put out the damage I needed to do WHERE I needed to do it (hitting a fresh expo rather than going straight for the main). So basically it was a lot of decision making training. I'm really looking forward to the beta coming back up. I never really massed games, but this month I massed a ton against the AIs so I want to see how much better I've gotten. I need a practice partner too, to play like 25+ games a day and work on our timing. I really want to get good at SC2 >.<
Problem is I'd have to alter my play-style considerably to "let it go long" because the usual build I do is 3 gate pressure into expand, but dark green tea just dies to 3 gate pressure... The only other openings i consistently do are pheonix (which dark green can't handle either) and my funky 1 gate robo early push (which dark green also dies to)...
I do have trouble if I keep myself to a NR10 or something against the comp, but that's not how I want to play in ladder...
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SC1, Testie was a REALLY low apm player and he beat stork and other big names relatively frequently. For sc2 im not sure but I dont think it requires as much as most people use in sc1. I play at 100-120 and it seems to be plenty.
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I firmly believe you can approve immensely if you up your APM. Back in BW it took me a few years to finally appreciate the importance of warming up your hands by spamming, and of being able to react to high pressure situations on the dot. Increasing your APM is like constantly being alert / warmed-up physically in warfare.
But to sympathize with you, I feel like APM is not a huge worry in sc2 for the first 10 minutes of the game... then as the game drags on, and you have more to manage, the additional actions for competitiveness are crucial.
And lastly, APM could show that the player is a disciplined gamer, and has developed respect for the game. =)
peace and love
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On July 05 2010 02:04 farseer_dk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2010 01:56 Snuggles wrote:On July 05 2010 01:44 farseer_dk wrote:On July 05 2010 01:41 Snuggles wrote:
120-150 is certainly enough for a good spot on the Diamond league.
Even though all of us pretty much agrees that you don't need an insane amount of APM to be successful, I'm pretty sure you'd need quite a bit as the game gets older and older.
I mean I play Zerg, I've been practicing with the AI this whole time working on having high APM NON-SPAM. I can hit the 170 - 230 range quite easily late game because there is soooooo much to do, and that's just my macro. I suck so I can't multitask with my micro very well, but in battles when you micro and also macro at the same time, your APM will shoot up like crazy. So when SC2 is out long enough for people to get really good at it, I predict that 200 + APMs will be a norm. I doubt 300+ APM will be around like it was in BW, for the obvious reasons. What AI do you play against? I can very easily beat every non-cheating AI I've tried... I need a sparring partner. I've been playing against the Dark green tea AI and the regular one, but mostly the dark green tea. I never cheese the ai of course because there wouldn't be any point to it so I always let the game run into the late stage where things would get pretty tough. I used to lose a lot to it, not because I couldn't keep it up, but because I wasn't doing what I needed to do at the right times. Which again is why being smart and knowing what to do should come before high APM. Now I'm able to beat the AI consistently on all match-ups during the late-game because it forced me to do good well timed transitions and put out the damage I needed to do WHERE I needed to do it (hitting a fresh expo rather than going straight for the main). So basically it was a lot of decision making training. I'm really looking forward to the beta coming back up. I never really massed games, but this month I massed a ton against the AIs so I want to see how much better I've gotten. I need a practice partner too, to play like 25+ games a day and work on our timing. I really want to get good at SC2 >.< Problem is I'd have to alter my play-style considerably to "let it go long" because the usual build I do is 3 gate pressure into expand, but dark green tea just dies to 3 gate pressure... The only other openings i consistently do are pheonix (which dark green can't handle either) and my funky 1 gate robo early push (which dark green also dies to)... I do have trouble if I keep myself to a NR10 or something against the comp, but that's not how I want to play in ladder...
Yeah that's the problem with that AI, it can't handle early pressure very well. If I decide to do a 10 or 12pool for early pressure, the AI just can't survive it. But late game it's great. It's still decent practice when you think about the players who are able to survive early pressure and play into the mid to late game, so if you can play on even footing with the AI late game then you should be pretty good.
Playing different Match-ups can obviously affect how good the AI will be for practice. Playing ZvT with a macro oriented build, its good. But if it's something like you playing the Terran race where you're suppose to do some timed early-mid game pushes then the AI can't survive =(.
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It's also probably something that's going to matter more and more as people map out how to play. At least at the casual levels, no one has quite mapped out what they are going to do.
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Dont have time to read 3 pages of this so forgive me if this has been mentioned already.
But here is what i think about apm:
Pro players dont have high apm because they play in mentality "i must do shit fast". Their APM is high because they remember to do all the small things, all the subtle changes, adjustments in their play, and as they do so, their apm rises naturally.
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Why do some people have the tendency to think the game is somehow flawed if someone with low apm can get into the higher leagues? In my opinion, it reflects that the game is more about strategy and timing then what people give it credit for.
I know I started in silver without having even played an rts online before. My apm was terrible and I knew I had to compensate because I couldn't just get it higher over night. What I could do was constantly refine and practice my build orders, learn how to adapt to my opponent, and make smart decisions that gave myself control of the game. Developing these attributes is what pushed me up to diamond league in a little under 2 months.
As I play more matches, my apm will get faster and it will only strengthen my play. I've beaten countless players who average 120-150 apm while I sit at my comfortable 50-60. Its these types of players who I think got into diamond not by having good strategy but by using their fast apm as a crutch.
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On July 05 2010 02:17 Sabu113 wrote:
It's also probably something that's going to matter more and more as people map out how to play. At least at the casual levels, no one has quite mapped out what they are going to do.
I think the leagues will become a lot better at indicating how skilled you are as time goes on. In terms of ICCUP ranks compared to the leagues, I believe most Diamond League players are D, and the players that are like 100 games to 2 or 3 losses are like C+ to B- players, that should belong in the Platinum league if there were more skilled players to even things out. So A- A players belong in Diamond.
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60 and im almost 1900 plat..
not sure how good you mean by real good though
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