How good can you get with low APM? - Page 9

bakedace

United States672 Posts

July 05 2010 22:57 GMT

#161

ive known really good players in bw that dont use control groups and they play with one hand.

Id say you could be top diamond in the US servers if you played for a few months like this.

brain_

United States812 Posts

July 05 2010 23:24 GMT

#162

I'd say you can get very good with "low" APM, but you can't get anywhere without good multitasking. The two are separate.

Kfish

Chile282 Posts

July 05 2010 23:31 GMT

#163

If you can have high APM without it gimping your game (focusing on apm rather than actually doing the right stuff) then you will obviously be able to do things that people with lower apm can't do, its logical. The question is, how do you get high effective APM? Pretty much by knowing your build orders and matchups. The closer to perfection, the higher the APM; this is because you will know what to do and you don't have to actually think about adapting to the moment, but just execution instead. Once you have reached that level of play you can actually "spam" to keep a rythm, before that you are probably gimping yourself.

tl;dr

Higher effective apm due to execution rather than pointless spam is always something good. Spam becomes good once you know your game good enough that it is just a way to keep the rythm going without it hurting your strategy.

EliteAzn

United States661 Posts

July 06 2010 01:07 GMT

#164

You can only do so much with low APM =)

AirbladeOrange

United States2573 Posts

July 09 2010 06:51 GMT

#165

A short preface:
First off, I play protoss. I had a poor performance with my placement matches and began in the bronze league. I got to silver pretty quickly and once I did I cruised through it with almost 10 wins in a row. I viewed several of my replays and noticed that I played mostly zerg players.

Now the APM stuff:
With each of those games that I won against zerg I noticed my APM was usually literally half that of my opponent, with one game about a third as much. I certainly agree that a good build, good strategy, and good tactics are much more useful that a high APM. Do you think these players are just spamming actions? Are they doing the wrong actions? Or does zerg require a higher APM than protoss around the same level? By the way my APM averaged in the mid 30s. I probably can't get away with that low an APM for too long when I climb high enough in the leagues. Anyone have thoughts about this?

skypacer

China174 Posts

July 09 2010 07:54 GMT

#166

Before the last Battle.net reset, I was a Diamond Terran at a rank around 3-10 and my average APMs shown in replays were always lower than 60.

I think, APM is just not so important as it was in SC:BW.

cHaNg-sTa

United States1058 Posts

July 09 2010 07:55 GMT

#167

On July 06 2010 07:57 bakedace wrote:
ive known really good players in bw that dont use control groups and they play with one hand.

Id say you could be top diamond in the US servers if you played for a few months like this.

..define "really good".

Baarn

United States2702 Posts

July 09 2010 07:59 GMT

#168

You'll eventually get faster after practicing builds for a period of time.

LlamaNamedOsama

United States1900 Posts

July 09 2010 08:12 GMT

#169

Yeah, I have about the same APM as the OP and phase 1 was in upper plat - I think, though, the APM is more just symptomatic of the real thing behind it, which is an active attention and quick focus. While I can spam click things, it really doesn't end up mattering when I'm not really feeling the game atm and end up getting behind on macro anyways.

sluggaslamoo

Australia4494 Posts

July 09 2010 08:42 GMT

#170

On July 05 2010 01:13 ret wrote:
there is no spoon...

Then you will see it is not the APM that bends, it is only yourself.

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