On September 20 2020 04:10 Charoisaur wrote: The Goat
How comes the unstoppable Rogue was trampled earlier in the days and I only saw comments saying Inno was good while now Serral loses and his skill is questioned along with his comments?
Serral can lose, at the moment he is not the unstoppable god he was in 2018 and not even the arguably #1 player he was in 2019; this doesn't mean he weren't in the past.
Because no one considers Rogue the GOAT. that level of adulation comes with appropriate increases in scrutiny.
Also I find it funny that you showed up so fast. You're very reliable in how defensive you are of Serral whenever he DOES lose.
I cannot stand people badmouthing great players when they lose and TL loves hating on Serral when he does. Also, losing matches has nothing to deal with being GOAT or not.
I am super happy for Clem, on the other hand!
he's the most overhyped player of all time, partly because of you so you have to just deal with the "badmouthing"
Agreed. If Serral fans wanted less criticism of him they could tone down their own praising language.
Overhyping? You must be thinking of someone else. Listing up Serral's feats, admiring his undeniable skill and repelling the ridicolous and increasingly indefensible arguments korean elitists tried to pull out against him(and non korean Sc2) in the last three years are not overhyping.
right Serral with his resume is a GOAT while Rogue with 3 world championship titles and 2 GSL's (and 9-0 in bo7's) is not a GOAT and losing to Inno because 'performed bad today', but Serral lost to Clem is 'whatever'. This is exactly why people talk so much crap about Serral when he loses, people are sick of Serral being held on a pedestal because of excess hyping and unreasonable allocations of merit especially when in recent times Zerg has been a broken race. Serral is not the only person to receive criticism, Dark has received them, Rogue has received them, sOs has received them (notice they are all World champions). Freaking Mvp, Zest, Inno, MC, they all get criticism. Everyone does, Serral shouldn't be immune to it, so stop being butthurt when he gets it.
First of all, I personally NEVER said Serral was the GOAT earlier. I think that now, as the most winningnest player in the history of Sc2(not to mention his streak, his win percentage and his average placements), he is one of the candidates.
The argument of Zerg being op affects Rogue much more than Serral; I'm kind of sick of repeating that but when Serral was at his apex and won 6 tournaments in a row including BlizzCon only one other Zerg reached the finals in a Premier. Rogue looks like a scrub(remember his ro32 exits at Code S?) when he is not in shape or Zerg is weak, Serral's consistency since 2018 is unmatched.
I was not the one saying that Rogue played bad today, read better. People talk crap about Serral when he loses because he broke forever their conviction that only koreans could dominate Starcraft; as for today, I think Serral effectively tilted, that was truly an Idra-esque early gg.
On September 20 2020 06:13 THERIDDLER wrote: Serrals "consistency" came all from 2018-2019 aka OP zerg years. Rogue's opponents in GSL are also 10x harder.
Look, i won't argue much about 2019, but 2018 was not exactly 'OP zerg years'.
On September 20 2020 06:13 THERIDDLER wrote: Serrals "consistency" came all from 2018-2019 aka OP zerg years. Rogue's opponents in GSL are also 10x harder.
You can't read I guess. If you can and don't believe me just go look at Liquipedia(second half of 2018) and tell me how many Zerg winners/runner op you find; good luck!
In 2019 Serral was still more consistent than any other Zerg and the fairy tale of the much harder opponents in GSL becomes falser every year.
On September 20 2020 06:13 THERIDDLER wrote: Serrals "consistency" came all from 2018-2019 aka OP zerg years. Rogue's opponents in GSL are also 10x harder.
You can't read I guess. If you can and don't believe me just go look at Liquipedia(second half of 2018) and tell me how many Zerg winners/runner op you find; good luck!
In 2019 Serral was still more consistent than any other Zerg and the fairy tale of the much harder opponents in GSL becomes falser every year.
While I think that Serral, Reynor and Clem are all on the same level as the top Koreans, it s still undeniable, that lets say the top 10 in KR is way more dense than the top 10 in EU. As actually shown somewhat accurate on Aligulac. I think, if you take those standings with a grain of salt and add like an extra 200 points to all Korenas and Chinese (and Special), you ll get a very accurate picture of the oerall Skill Level in the regions. Reynor and Serral on the one Hand and Maru, Dark, Stats, Inno, Rogue, Trap on the other are all comperativly close to each other. Then TY, (Soo,) Parting, Cure, Solar, Byun, Zest and Clem come directly behind them.
Thats 14 KR and 3 EU Players, that are all Championship contenders at this point. There are still more KR than EU Players at the very top, but they are not significantly better than their EU counterparts, there are just more of them.
If you would go down the list even further to the next tier, you would actually allready get more foreigners than Koreans, as the Koreans Scene is so small.
On September 20 2020 06:13 THERIDDLER wrote: Serrals "consistency" came all from 2018-2019 aka OP zerg years. Rogue's opponents in GSL are also 10x harder.
You can't read I guess. If you can and don't believe me just go look at Liquipedia(second half of 2018) and tell me how many Zerg winners/runner op you find; good luck!
In 2019 Serral was still more consistent than any other Zerg and the fairy tale of the much harder opponents in GSL becomes falser every year.
While I think that Serral, Reynor and Clem are all on the same level as the top Koreans, it s still undeniable, that lets say the top 10 in KR is way more dense than the top 10 in EU. As actually shown somewhat accurate on Aligulac. I think, if you take those standings with a grain of salt and add like an extra 200 points to all Korenas and Chinese (and Special), you ll get a very accurate picture of the oerall Skill Level in the regions. Reynor and Serral on the one Hand and Maru, Dark, Stats, Inno, Rogue, Trap on the other are all comperativly close to each other. Then TY, (Soo,) Parting, Cure, Solar, Byun, Zest and Clem come directly behind them.
Thats 14 KR and 3 EU Players, that are all Championship contenders at this point. There are still more KR than EU Players at the very top, but they are not significantly better than their EU counterparts, there are just more of them.
If you would go down the list even further to the next tier, you would actually allready get more foreigners than Koreans, as the Koreans Scene is so small.
It's interesting.
Back in 2018 it was just "Serral and the Koreans" Then in 2019 it was "Serral and Reynor and the Koreans" Now its "Serral and Reynor and Clem and the Koreans"
On September 20 2020 04:10 Charoisaur wrote: The Goat
How comes the unstoppable Rogue was trampled earlier in the days and I only saw comments saying Inno was good while now Serral loses and his skill is questioned along with his comments?
Serral can lose, at the moment he is not the unstoppable god he was in 2018 and not even the arguably #1 player he was in 2019; this doesn't mean he weren't in the past.
Because no one considers Rogue the GOAT. that level of adulation comes with appropriate increases in scrutiny.
Also I find it funny that you showed up so fast. You're very reliable in how defensive you are of Serral whenever he DOES lose.
I cannot stand people badmouthing great players when they lose and TL loves hating on Serral when he does. Also, losing matches has nothing to deal with being GOAT or not.
I am super happy for Clem, on the other hand!
he's the most overhyped player of all time, partly because of you so you have to just deal with the "badmouthing"
Agreed. If Serral fans wanted less criticism of him they could tone down their own praising language.
Overhyping? You must be thinking of someone else. Listing up Serral's feats, admiring his undeniable skill and repelling the ridicolous and increasingly indefensible arguments korean elitists tried to pull out against him(and non korean Sc2) in the last three years are not overhyping.
right Serral with his resume is a GOAT while Rogue with 3 world championship titles and 2 GSL's (and 9-0 in bo7's) is not a GOAT and losing to Inno because 'performed bad today', but Serral lost to Clem is 'whatever'. This is exactly why people talk so much crap about Serral when he loses, people are sick of Serral being held on a pedestal because of excess hyping and unreasonable allocations of merit especially when in recent times Zerg has been a broken race. Serral is not the only person to receive criticism, Dark has received them, Rogue has received them, sOs has received them (notice they are all World champions). Freaking Mvp, Zest, Inno, MC, they all get criticism. Everyone does, Serral shouldn't be immune to it, so stop being butthurt when he gets it.
First of all, I personally NEVER said Serral was the GOAT earlier. I think that now, as the most winningnest player in the history of Sc2(not to mention his streak, his win percentage and his average placements), he is one of the candidates.
The argument of Zerg being op affects Rogue much more than Serral; I'm kind of sick of repeating that but when Serral was at his apex and won 6 tournaments in a row including BlizzCon only one other Zerg reached the finals in a Premier. Rogue looks like a scrub(remember his ro32 exits at Code S?) when he is not in shape or Zerg is weak, Serral's consistency since 2018 is unmatched.
I was not the one saying that Rogue played bad today, read better. People talk crap about Serral when he loses because he broke forever their conviction that only koreans could dominate Starcraft; as for today, I think Serral effectively tilted, that was truly an Idra-esque early gg.
Serral has been one of the best players in the world the last few years (the best after the Blizzcon victory) but after all he has only 3 big tournament wins under his belt and the rest are HSCs and region-locked WCS. Under no reasonable metric should that put him anywhere near a Goat candidate and as long as there are people who think he deserves to be mentioned in a Goat debate I will make fun of him whenever he loses (or better said make fun of his fanboys).
On September 20 2020 04:10 Charoisaur wrote: The Goat
How comes the unstoppable Rogue was trampled earlier in the days and I only saw comments saying Inno was good while now Serral loses and his skill is questioned along with his comments?
Serral can lose, at the moment he is not the unstoppable god he was in 2018 and not even the arguably #1 player he was in 2019; this doesn't mean he weren't in the past.
Because no one considers Rogue the GOAT. that level of adulation comes with appropriate increases in scrutiny.
Also I find it funny that you showed up so fast. You're very reliable in how defensive you are of Serral whenever he DOES lose.
I cannot stand people badmouthing great players when they lose and TL loves hating on Serral when he does. Also, losing matches has nothing to deal with being GOAT or not.
I am super happy for Clem, on the other hand!
he's the most overhyped player of all time, partly because of you so you have to just deal with the "badmouthing"
Agreed. If Serral fans wanted less criticism of him they could tone down their own praising language.
Overhyping? You must be thinking of someone else. Listing up Serral's feats, admiring his undeniable skill and repelling the ridicolous and increasingly indefensible arguments korean elitists tried to pull out against him(and non korean Sc2) in the last three years are not overhyping.
right Serral with his resume is a GOAT while Rogue with 3 world championship titles and 2 GSL's (and 9-0 in bo7's) is not a GOAT and losing to Inno because 'performed bad today', but Serral lost to Clem is 'whatever'. This is exactly why people talk so much crap about Serral when he loses, people are sick of Serral being held on a pedestal because of excess hyping and unreasonable allocations of merit especially when in recent times Zerg has been a broken race. Serral is not the only person to receive criticism, Dark has received them, Rogue has received them, sOs has received them (notice they are all World champions). Freaking Mvp, Zest, Inno, MC, they all get criticism. Everyone does, Serral shouldn't be immune to it, so stop being butthurt when he gets it.
First of all, I personally NEVER said Serral was the GOAT earlier. I think that now, as the most winningnest player in the history of Sc2(not to mention his streak, his win percentage and his average placements), he is one of the candidates.
The argument of Zerg being op affects Rogue much more than Serral; I'm kind of sick of repeating that but when Serral was at his apex and won 6 tournaments in a row including BlizzCon only one other Zerg reached the finals in a Premier. Rogue looks like a scrub(remember his ro32 exits at Code S?) when he is not in shape or Zerg is weak, Serral's consistency since 2018 is unmatched.
I was not the one saying that Rogue played bad today, read better. People talk crap about Serral when he loses because he broke forever their conviction that only koreans could dominate Starcraft; as for today, I think Serral effectively tilted, that was truly an Idra-esque early gg.
Serral has been one of the best players in the world the last few years (the best after the Blizzcon victory) but after all he has only 3 big tournament wins under his belt and the rest are HSCs and region-locked WCS. Under no reasonable metric should that put him anywhere near a Goat candidate and as long as there are people who think he deserves to be mentioned in a Goat debate I will make fun of him whenever he loses (or better said make fun of his fanboys).
That sounds like quintessential trolling eight? Knowing Serral is the best but deliberately saying he isnt just to upset other people?
On September 20 2020 06:13 THERIDDLER wrote: Serrals "consistency" came all from 2018-2019 aka OP zerg years. Rogue's opponents in GSL are also 10x harder.
You can't read I guess. If you can and don't believe me just go look at Liquipedia(second half of 2018) and tell me how many Zerg winners/runner op you find; good luck!
In 2019 Serral was still more consistent than any other Zerg and the fairy tale of the much harder opponents in GSL becomes falser every year.
While I think that Serral, Reynor and Clem are all on the same level as the top Koreans, it s still undeniable, that lets say the top 10 in KR is way more dense than the top 10 in EU. As actually shown somewhat accurate on Aligulac. I think, if you take those standings with a grain of salt and add like an extra 200 points to all Korenas and Chinese (and Special), you ll get a very accurate picture of the oerall Skill Level in the regions. Reynor and Serral on the one Hand and Maru, Dark, Stats, Inno, Rogue, Trap on the other are all comperativly close to each other. Then TY, (Soo,) Parting, Cure, Solar, Byun, Zest and Clem come directly behind them.
Thats 14 KR and 3 EU Players, that are all Championship contenders at this point. There are still more KR than EU Players at the very top, but they are not significantly better than their EU counterparts, there are just more of them.
If you would go down the list even further to the next tier, you would actually allready get more foreigners than Koreans, as the Koreans Scene is so small.
It's interesting.
Back in 2018 it was just "Serral and the Koreans" Then in 2019 it was "Serral and Reynor and the Koreans" Now its "Serral and Reynor and Clem and the Koreans"
Hopefully next year we can add a foreign Protoss to that list as well
On September 20 2020 06:13 THERIDDLER wrote: Serrals "consistency" came all from 2018-2019 aka OP zerg years. Rogue's opponents in GSL are also 10x harder.
In 2019 Serral was still more consistent than any other Zerg and the fairy tale of the much harder opponents in GSL becomes falser every year.
On September 20 2020 04:10 Charoisaur wrote: The Goat
How comes the unstoppable Rogue was trampled earlier in the days and I only saw comments saying Inno was good while now Serral loses and his skill is questioned along with his comments?
Serral can lose, at the moment he is not the unstoppable god he was in 2018 and not even the arguably #1 player he was in 2019; this doesn't mean he weren't in the past.
Because no one considers Rogue the GOAT. that level of adulation comes with appropriate increases in scrutiny.
Also I find it funny that you showed up so fast. You're very reliable in how defensive you are of Serral whenever he DOES lose.
I cannot stand people badmouthing great players when they lose and TL loves hating on Serral when he does. Also, losing matches has nothing to deal with being GOAT or not.
I am super happy for Clem, on the other hand!
he's the most overhyped player of all time, partly because of you so you have to just deal with the "badmouthing"
Agreed. If Serral fans wanted less criticism of him they could tone down their own praising language.
Overhyping? You must be thinking of someone else. Listing up Serral's feats, admiring his undeniable skill and repelling the ridicolous and increasingly indefensible arguments korean elitists tried to pull out against him(and non korean Sc2) in the last three years are not overhyping.
right Serral with his resume is a GOAT while Rogue with 3 world championship titles and 2 GSL's (and 9-0 in bo7's) is not a GOAT and losing to Inno because 'performed bad today', but Serral lost to Clem is 'whatever'. This is exactly why people talk so much crap about Serral when he loses, people are sick of Serral being held on a pedestal because of excess hyping and unreasonable allocations of merit especially when in recent times Zerg has been a broken race. Serral is not the only person to receive criticism, Dark has received them, Rogue has received them, sOs has received them (notice they are all World champions). Freaking Mvp, Zest, Inno, MC, they all get criticism. Everyone does, Serral shouldn't be immune to it, so stop being butthurt when he gets it.
First of all, I personally NEVER said Serral was the GOAT earlier. I think that now, as the most winningnest player in the history of Sc2(not to mention his streak, his win percentage and his average placements), he is one of the candidates.
The argument of Zerg being op affects Rogue much more than Serral; I'm kind of sick of repeating that but when Serral was at his apex and won 6 tournaments in a row including BlizzCon only one other Zerg reached the finals in a Premier. Rogue looks like a scrub(remember his ro32 exits at Code S?) when he is not in shape or Zerg is weak, Serral's consistency since 2018 is unmatched.
I was not the one saying that Rogue played bad today, read better. People talk crap about Serral when he loses because he broke forever their conviction that only koreans could dominate Starcraft; as for today, I think Serral effectively tilted, that was truly an Idra-esque early gg.
If Serral played in every GSL for the last 3 years he would have been eliminated in the ro32 at least once. That can't be held against anyone. All the GSL greats get eliminated in the ro32. The level of competition and prep time make it impossible to be that consistent in GSL. Serral is consistent because he only plays in a few events a year where he has any chance of getting eliminated before the top 4 so he can make sure he is in top condition for those events.
On September 20 2020 04:10 Charoisaur wrote: The Goat
How comes the unstoppable Rogue was trampled earlier in the days and I only saw comments saying Inno was good while now Serral loses and his skill is questioned along with his comments?
Serral can lose, at the moment he is not the unstoppable god he was in 2018 and not even the arguably #1 player he was in 2019; this doesn't mean he weren't in the past.
Because no one considers Rogue the GOAT. that level of adulation comes with appropriate increases in scrutiny.
Also I find it funny that you showed up so fast. You're very reliable in how defensive you are of Serral whenever he DOES lose.
I cannot stand people badmouthing great players when they lose and TL loves hating on Serral when he does. Also, losing matches has nothing to deal with being GOAT or not.
I am super happy for Clem, on the other hand!
he's the most overhyped player of all time, partly because of you so you have to just deal with the "badmouthing"
Agreed. If Serral fans wanted less criticism of him they could tone down their own praising language.
Overhyping? You must be thinking of someone else. Listing up Serral's feats, admiring his undeniable skill and repelling the ridicolous and increasingly indefensible arguments korean elitists tried to pull out against him(and non korean Sc2) in the last three years are not overhyping.
right Serral with his resume is a GOAT while Rogue with 3 world championship titles and 2 GSL's (and 9-0 in bo7's) is not a GOAT and losing to Inno because 'performed bad today', but Serral lost to Clem is 'whatever'. This is exactly why people talk so much crap about Serral when he loses, people are sick of Serral being held on a pedestal because of excess hyping and unreasonable allocations of merit especially when in recent times Zerg has been a broken race. Serral is not the only person to receive criticism, Dark has received them, Rogue has received them, sOs has received them (notice they are all World champions). Freaking Mvp, Zest, Inno, MC, they all get criticism. Everyone does, Serral shouldn't be immune to it, so stop being butthurt when he gets it.
First of all, I personally NEVER said Serral was the GOAT earlier. I think that now, as the most winningnest player in the history of Sc2(not to mention his streak, his win percentage and his average placements), he is one of the candidates.
The argument of Zerg being op affects Rogue much more than Serral; I'm kind of sick of repeating that but when Serral was at his apex and won 6 tournaments in a row including BlizzCon only one other Zerg reached the finals in a Premier. Rogue looks like a scrub(remember his ro32 exits at Code S?) when he is not in shape or Zerg is weak, Serral's consistency since 2018 is unmatched.
I was not the one saying that Rogue played bad today, read better. People talk crap about Serral when he loses because he broke forever their conviction that only koreans could dominate Starcraft; as for today, I think Serral effectively tilted, that was truly an Idra-esque early gg.
Hmm... Never expected it but I kinda agree here Of course Serral is nowwhere neat GOAT and such but he is the most consistent player of all time. Rogue is the complete opposite. When he is in form he looks unstoppable for a while but then falls off from time to time. It's still only a debate of what you value more. Consistency while not playing the best league and not winning the best tournaments? Or killing it all on the top of the top. Personally I am the latter, but it's all subjective. While I troll a lot and enjoy players like Serral not making it in the biggest of stages, I will never forget Rogues face when he thought he was the best player in the world, gave his 150 percent and still could not break Serral in that game 3 of Blizzcon. That was unprecedented and awesome. Let's just be happy we can witness these juggernauts in action while Sc2 lasts peace and love
On September 20 2020 04:10 Charoisaur wrote: The Goat
How comes the unstoppable Rogue was trampled earlier in the days and I only saw comments saying Inno was good while now Serral loses and his skill is questioned along with his comments?
Serral can lose, at the moment he is not the unstoppable god he was in 2018 and not even the arguably #1 player he was in 2019; this doesn't mean he weren't in the past.
Because no one considers Rogue the GOAT. that level of adulation comes with appropriate increases in scrutiny.
Also I find it funny that you showed up so fast. You're very reliable in how defensive you are of Serral whenever he DOES lose.
I cannot stand people badmouthing great players when they lose and TL loves hating on Serral when he does. Also, losing matches has nothing to deal with being GOAT or not.
I am super happy for Clem, on the other hand!
he's the most overhyped player of all time, partly because of you so you have to just deal with the "badmouthing"
Agreed. If Serral fans wanted less criticism of him they could tone down their own praising language.
Overhyping? You must be thinking of someone else. Listing up Serral's feats, admiring his undeniable skill and repelling the ridicolous and increasingly indefensible arguments korean elitists tried to pull out against him(and non korean Sc2) in the last three years are not overhyping.
right Serral with his resume is a GOAT while Rogue with 3 world championship titles and 2 GSL's (and 9-0 in bo7's) is not a GOAT and losing to Inno because 'performed bad today', but Serral lost to Clem is 'whatever'. This is exactly why people talk so much crap about Serral when he loses, people are sick of Serral being held on a pedestal because of excess hyping and unreasonable allocations of merit especially when in recent times Zerg has been a broken race. Serral is not the only person to receive criticism, Dark has received them, Rogue has received them, sOs has received them (notice they are all World champions). Freaking Mvp, Zest, Inno, MC, they all get criticism. Everyone does, Serral shouldn't be immune to it, so stop being butthurt when he gets it.
First of all, I personally NEVER said Serral was the GOAT earlier. I think that now, as the most winningnest player in the history of Sc2(not to mention his streak, his win percentage and his average placements), he is one of the candidates.
The argument of Zerg being op affects Rogue much more than Serral; I'm kind of sick of repeating that but when Serral was at his apex and won 6 tournaments in a row including BlizzCon only one other Zerg reached the finals in a Premier. Rogue looks like a scrub(remember his ro32 exits at Code S?) when he is not in shape or Zerg is weak, Serral's consistency since 2018 is unmatched.
I was not the one saying that Rogue played bad today, read better. People talk crap about Serral when he loses because he broke forever their conviction that only koreans could dominate Starcraft; as for today, I think Serral effectively tilted, that was truly an Idra-esque early gg.
If Serral played in every GSL for the last 3 years he would have been eliminated in the ro32 at least once. That can't be held against anyone. All the GSL greats get eliminated in the ro32. The level of competition and prep time make it impossible to be that consistent in GSL. Serral is consistent because he only plays in a few events a year where he has any chance of getting eliminated before the top 4 so he can make sure he is in top condition for those events.
Nah. No. Serral would never get eliminated in ro32. He is just too consistently good for that. While I don't think he would achieve something like Mary (winning 4 gsl in a row). He would always be in a ro8 at least. Let's not diminish his consistency
How comes the unstoppable Rogue was trampled earlier in the days and I only saw comments saying Inno was good while now Serral loses and his skill is questioned along with his comments?
Serral can lose, at the moment he is not the unstoppable god he was in 2018 and not even the arguably #1 player he was in 2019; this doesn't mean he weren't in the past.
Because no one considers Rogue the GOAT. that level of adulation comes with appropriate increases in scrutiny.
Also I find it funny that you showed up so fast. You're very reliable in how defensive you are of Serral whenever he DOES lose.
I cannot stand people badmouthing great players when they lose and TL loves hating on Serral when he does. Also, losing matches has nothing to deal with being GOAT or not.
I am super happy for Clem, on the other hand!
he's the most overhyped player of all time, partly because of you so you have to just deal with the "badmouthing"
Agreed. If Serral fans wanted less criticism of him they could tone down their own praising language.
Overhyping? You must be thinking of someone else. Listing up Serral's feats, admiring his undeniable skill and repelling the ridicolous and increasingly indefensible arguments korean elitists tried to pull out against him(and non korean Sc2) in the last three years are not overhyping.
right Serral with his resume is a GOAT while Rogue with 3 world championship titles and 2 GSL's (and 9-0 in bo7's) is not a GOAT and losing to Inno because 'performed bad today', but Serral lost to Clem is 'whatever'. This is exactly why people talk so much crap about Serral when he loses, people are sick of Serral being held on a pedestal because of excess hyping and unreasonable allocations of merit especially when in recent times Zerg has been a broken race. Serral is not the only person to receive criticism, Dark has received them, Rogue has received them, sOs has received them (notice they are all World champions). Freaking Mvp, Zest, Inno, MC, they all get criticism. Everyone does, Serral shouldn't be immune to it, so stop being butthurt when he gets it.
First of all, I personally NEVER said Serral was the GOAT earlier. I think that now, as the most winningnest player in the history of Sc2(not to mention his streak, his win percentage and his average placements), he is one of the candidates.
The argument of Zerg being op affects Rogue much more than Serral; I'm kind of sick of repeating that but when Serral was at his apex and won 6 tournaments in a row including BlizzCon only one other Zerg reached the finals in a Premier. Rogue looks like a scrub(remember his ro32 exits at Code S?) when he is not in shape or Zerg is weak, Serral's consistency since 2018 is unmatched.
I was not the one saying that Rogue played bad today, read better. People talk crap about Serral when he loses because he broke forever their conviction that only koreans could dominate Starcraft; as for today, I think Serral effectively tilted, that was truly an Idra-esque early gg.
If Serral played in every GSL for the last 3 years he would have been eliminated in the ro32 at least once. That can't be held against anyone. All the GSL greats get eliminated in the ro32. The level of competition and prep time make it impossible to be that consistent in GSL. Serral is consistent because he only plays in a few events a year where he has any chance of getting eliminated before the top 4 so he can make sure he is in top condition for those events.
Nah. No. Serral would never get eliminated in ro32. He is just too consistently good for that. While I don't think he would achieve something like Mary (winning 4 gsl in a row). He would always be in a ro8 at least. Let's not diminish his consistency
You can argue that Dark was more successful than Serral in 2019 but in no way he was more consistent, remember GSL vs the World? Serral's worst placement was a ro8.
As dbric's pointed out, GSL is still harder. Not much harder, not 10x harder; maybe in 2015. Have you looked at who plays in the ro28 in Code S at the moment? Do you see how strong the top 3 players in EU are right now? With the wave of retirements in Korea going strong and the foreign prospects growing, the distance between the leagues keep getting thinner.
How comes the unstoppable Rogue was trampled earlier in the days and I only saw comments saying Inno was good while now Serral loses and his skill is questioned along with his comments?
Serral can lose, at the moment he is not the unstoppable god he was in 2018 and not even the arguably #1 player he was in 2019; this doesn't mean he weren't in the past.
Because no one considers Rogue the GOAT. that level of adulation comes with appropriate increases in scrutiny.
Also I find it funny that you showed up so fast. You're very reliable in how defensive you are of Serral whenever he DOES lose.
I cannot stand people badmouthing great players when they lose and TL loves hating on Serral when he does. Also, losing matches has nothing to deal with being GOAT or not.
I am super happy for Clem, on the other hand!
he's the most overhyped player of all time, partly because of you so you have to just deal with the "badmouthing"
Agreed. If Serral fans wanted less criticism of him they could tone down their own praising language.
Overhyping? You must be thinking of someone else. Listing up Serral's feats, admiring his undeniable skill and repelling the ridicolous and increasingly indefensible arguments korean elitists tried to pull out against him(and non korean Sc2) in the last three years are not overhyping.
right Serral with his resume is a GOAT while Rogue with 3 world championship titles and 2 GSL's (and 9-0 in bo7's) is not a GOAT and losing to Inno because 'performed bad today', but Serral lost to Clem is 'whatever'. This is exactly why people talk so much crap about Serral when he loses, people are sick of Serral being held on a pedestal because of excess hyping and unreasonable allocations of merit especially when in recent times Zerg has been a broken race. Serral is not the only person to receive criticism, Dark has received them, Rogue has received them, sOs has received them (notice they are all World champions). Freaking Mvp, Zest, Inno, MC, they all get criticism. Everyone does, Serral shouldn't be immune to it, so stop being butthurt when he gets it.
First of all, I personally NEVER said Serral was the GOAT earlier. I think that now, as the most winningnest player in the history of Sc2(not to mention his streak, his win percentage and his average placements), he is one of the candidates.
The argument of Zerg being op affects Rogue much more than Serral; I'm kind of sick of repeating that but when Serral was at his apex and won 6 tournaments in a row including BlizzCon only one other Zerg reached the finals in a Premier. Rogue looks like a scrub(remember his ro32 exits at Code S?) when he is not in shape or Zerg is weak, Serral's consistency since 2018 is unmatched.
I was not the one saying that Rogue played bad today, read better. People talk crap about Serral when he loses because he broke forever their conviction that only koreans could dominate Starcraft; as for today, I think Serral effectively tilted, that was truly an Idra-esque early gg.
If Serral played in every GSL for the last 3 years he would have been eliminated in the ro32 at least once. That can't be held against anyone. All the GSL greats get eliminated in the ro32. The level of competition and prep time make it impossible to be that consistent in GSL. Serral is consistent because he only plays in a few events a year where he has any chance of getting eliminated before the top 4 so he can make sure he is in top condition for those events.
Nah. No. Serral would never get eliminated in ro32. He is just too consistently good for that. While I don't think he would achieve something like Mary (winning 4 gsl in a row). He would always be in a ro8 at least. Let's not diminish his consistency
The idea that Serral would have made the ro8 of the last 9 GSLs in a row is absurd and the exact type of statement that makes me unable to take the way he's rated seriously. Are you assuming he gets placed in easy groups every season? Swap him with Dark in the current ro16 and you really think he's guaranteed to get out? He's the favorite but there's a really good shot he gets eliminated. Multiply that over 9 seasons and he's going to be eliminated in groups at least once or twice. Has anyone ever gotten top 8 for 9 seasons in a row?
EPT
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