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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13004 Posts
September 20 2020 09:48 GMT
#1161
On September 20 2020 09:17 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2020 08:57 AzAlexZ wrote:
On September 20 2020 07:34 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On September 20 2020 07:10 JJH777 wrote:
On September 20 2020 06:07 Xain0n wrote:
On September 20 2020 05:45 AzAlexZ wrote:
On September 20 2020 05:38 Xain0n wrote:
On September 20 2020 04:27 Vindicare605 wrote:
On September 20 2020 04:26 Charoisaur wrote:
On September 20 2020 04:20 Xain0n wrote:
[quote]

I cannot stand people badmouthing great players when they lose and TL loves hating on Serral when he does.
Also, losing matches has nothing to deal with being GOAT or not.

I am super happy for Clem, on the other hand!

he's the most overhyped player of all time, partly because of you so you have to just deal with the "badmouthing"



Agreed. If Serral fans wanted less criticism of him they could tone down their own praising language.


Overhyping? You must be thinking of someone else.
Listing up Serral's feats, admiring his undeniable skill and repelling the ridicolous and increasingly indefensible arguments korean elitists tried to pull out against him(and non korean Sc2) in the last three years are not overhyping.

right Serral with his resume is a GOAT while Rogue with 3 world championship titles and 2 GSL's (and 9-0 in bo7's) is not a GOAT and losing to Inno because 'performed bad today', but Serral lost to Clem is 'whatever'.
This is exactly why people talk so much crap about Serral when he loses, people are sick of Serral being held on a pedestal because of excess hyping and unreasonable allocations of merit especially when in recent times Zerg has been a broken race.
Serral is not the only person to receive criticism, Dark has received them, Rogue has received them, sOs has received them (notice they are all World champions). Freaking Mvp, Zest, Inno, MC, they all get criticism. Everyone does, Serral shouldn't be immune to it, so stop being butthurt when he gets it.


First of all, I personally NEVER said Serral was the GOAT earlier.
I think that now, as the most winningnest player in the history of Sc2(not to mention his streak, his win percentage and his average placements), he is one of the candidates.

The argument of Zerg being op affects Rogue much more than Serral; I'm kind of sick of repeating that but when Serral was at his apex and won 6 tournaments in a row including BlizzCon only one other Zerg reached the finals in a Premier.
Rogue looks like a scrub(remember his ro32 exits at Code S?) when he is not in shape or Zerg is weak, Serral's consistency since 2018 is unmatched.

I was not the one saying that Rogue played bad today, read better.
People talk crap about Serral when he loses because he broke forever their conviction that only koreans could dominate Starcraft; as for today, I think Serral effectively tilted, that was truly an Idra-esque early gg.


If Serral played in every GSL for the last 3 years he would have been eliminated in the ro32 at least once. That can't be held against anyone. All the GSL greats get eliminated in the ro32. The level of competition and prep time make it impossible to be that consistent in GSL. Serral is consistent because he only plays in a few events a year where he has any chance of getting eliminated before the top 4 so he can make sure he is in top condition for those events.


Nah. No. Serral would never get eliminated in ro32. He is just too consistently good for that. While I don't think he would achieve something like Mary (winning 4 gsl in a row). He would always be in a ro8 at least. Let's not diminish his consistency

if Maru can get eliminated in ro32, then Serral can, deal with it

But you're missing the point. Maru was famously inconsistent (think of all the times we had huge maru hype and then he gets knocked out in unceremonious fashion). Serral (was) famously consistent

Maru is as consistent as a terran can be, but you can always get group of death every once in a while and be eliminated
WriterMaru
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
September 20 2020 10:38 GMT
#1162
Seeing Reynor and Clem taking over is absolutely fantastic, wish we could have a similiar thing happening in Korea.
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
September 20 2020 11:31 GMT
#1163
On September 20 2020 10:20 Morbidius wrote:
But Serral is ConSiSTent.
Out of all "Serral is the GOAT" arguments, this is the most pathetic. Did anyone care for soOs "consistent" 2014? No, all eyes were on Zest, Inno and Life.
This "Serral consistency" argument only comes up because he hasn't won a tournament worth 10% of his Blizzcon
win in 2 years, so now its about how many gracious 2-3 defeats he suffered.


soO was getting second, Life was winning tourney.
His play wasn't as exciting as life's and not as dominant either, peak Life was way better and complete (he actually knew to play late game) than soO ever was.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
September 20 2020 12:06 GMT
#1164
On September 20 2020 11:32 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2020 10:20 Morbidius wrote:
But Serral is ConSiSTent.
Out of all "Serral is the GOAT" arguments, this is the most pathetic. Did anyone care for soOs "consistent" 2014? No, all eyes were on Zest, Inno and Life.
This "Serral consistency" argument only comes up because he hasn't won a tournament worth 10% of his Blizzcon
win so now its about how many gracious 2-3 defeats he suffered.


Serral fanboys are the true GOATs of shifting goalposts (or maybe second to Taeja fans).

"GSL not everything / weekenders true measurement of skill due to lack of preparation time"
"Manhandled peak Inno in tourney XX / consistently beats top Korean"
"Reynor has his number / ZvZ so volatile"
"When he's on fire, HE'S ON FIRE AND NO WATER CAN TOUCH HM!"

And so on. Even when he loses a match, he wins the GOAT debate. Simply amazing!


Don't quote me out of context. I've never said that Serral is the GOAT. (You quoted the "Reynor has his number / ZvZ so volatile" statement I made. It had nothing to do with the GOAT debate.)

Serral still is one of the best players right now, he simply isn't as good as he was 2018. Reynor and Clem have made a huge skill leap since then.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
September 20 2020 13:56 GMT
#1165
Bo5 semis, disgusting
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
September 20 2020 14:07 GMT
#1166
Pretty exciting semifinals. I don't know who to root for.

I guess I'll default to Protoss .
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
September 20 2020 14:10 GMT
#1167
Didn't know a Colossus could tank a Widow Mine without taking hull damage.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13324 Posts
September 20 2020 14:11 GMT
#1168
On September 20 2020 23:10 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Didn't know a Colossus could tank a Widow Mine without taking hull damage.

It takes a tiny bit of HP damage actually
BUNNYYYYYYYYY https://i.imgur.com/BiCF577.png
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
September 20 2020 14:11 GMT
#1169
On September 20 2020 23:11 Durnuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2020 23:10 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Didn't know a Colossus could tank a Widow Mine without taking hull damage.

It takes a tiny bit of HP damage actually


My bad .
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33660 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 14:14:38
September 20 2020 14:12 GMT
#1170
Trap is reading innovation like a book. Playing him like a fiddle. Beating him like a drum. Protossing him like a Terran
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3559 Posts
September 20 2020 14:13 GMT
#1171
Yeah inno is getting outplayed hard this game.
WTCO
Profile Joined September 2013
United States646 Posts
September 20 2020 14:13 GMT
#1172
Inno pretty dead.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13004 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 14:14:02
September 20 2020 14:13 GMT
#1173
What are you supposed to do though
Gogo INno pull off a miracle and qualify for the finals we need a Korean terran there
WriterMaru
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 14:22:35
September 20 2020 14:14 GMT
#1174
ESL stream is not showing up in the right sidebar.

Edit: Now it does, ty.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
September 20 2020 14:15 GMT
#1175
Trap absolutly on point in Game 1.
MaxPax
WTCO
Profile Joined September 2013
United States646 Posts
September 20 2020 14:15 GMT
#1176
On September 20 2020 23:13 Poopi wrote:
What are you supposed to do though
Gogo INno pull off a miracle and qualify for the finals we need a Korean terran there


Probably would have been a lot different if the Raven hadn't been picked off.
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
September 20 2020 14:16 GMT
#1177
I see people say all the time how players today are so much better than 5+ years ago but that is def not true. It isn't an Inno series unless he loses a raven for nothing. Isn't he supposed to be one of the best players? Joke micro.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10121 Posts
September 20 2020 14:17 GMT
#1178
damn i calculated at least 20 min of preshow
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3559 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-20 14:21:36
September 20 2020 14:20 GMT
#1179
On September 20 2020 23:13 Poopi wrote:
What are you supposed to do though
Gogo INno pull off a miracle and qualify for the finals we need a Korean terran there

Would have helped if he didnt lose his raven like a baboon.
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
September 20 2020 14:22 GMT
#1180
Those Widow Mines are wrecking.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
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