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Sar
United States30 Posts
You had enough resources to remax on ultra's 3 times. Attack earlier. Don't attack the same place twice. Make those siege tanks and thors move. If the opponent plays passive you need to get more bases than him. If you can't do that, and don't attack, then your going to slowly die to the inevitable slow push. | ||
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
Actually I really believe that the solution is Neural parasite. He was so Thor heavy that even the atm pretty rubbish NE will have a huge effect. Remember the attack on like 12 Thors with about 15 Ultras, just imagine how this would have gone with 15 Ultras+3-5 Thors against 7 Thors... This is one option. The other option is a tipp by Psy. He once said, that at this point with a superior ecco against a turtle terran Infestor/Broodlord/Corrupter is the solution. It might not be cost effective, but u had a far superior ecconomy. | ||
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whomybuddy
United States620 Posts
LOL terran who goes for mass viking mean he has mass starport with reactor. No amount of infestor spam can help keeping the broodlord from dying. | ||
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whomybuddy
United States620 Posts
==>You did fine the entire game until you fall apart at endgame. You have way way more supply than terran. Practice end game I assume. I would suggest you go through the internet search for these zerg players. Fruitdealer, Idra, Ret, Nestea. Try to figure out something for the end game. ==>When terran go mech, Infestor ultra and ling is pretty much will be your standard since terran has so many vikings. With fungal and mind control from infestor, ultralisk to tank the tank slash dmg, I don't think zerg 200/200 max army will lose to mech 200/200 army. =>Gotta try to tech early for that ultralisk army though. | ||
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ZeNd0kUn
United States331 Posts
The strategy of Terran was extra fast expanding with mass Vikings. ( trying to get a third faster than a Zerg third seems very risky ) Whereas the strategy of Zerg was mass Mutalisks. The standard expectations of the Zerg to mass up a cloud of Mutas and pick off SCVs, depots while expanding and macroing up were suboptimally shutdown by mass vikings a few Thors and a hell lot of turrets thanks to mineral mining expos. A Kyrix style mass Lings and Banelings could have worked and like some suggest mass roaches could have worked too. Problem is the upgrades priority went to Mutas and by the time you switched to a ground army, the Terran was on 4 bases with tanks, thors and PFs. Like a post stated, things that happened after 20 minutes weren't what was supposed to happen. There was this window where Terran didn't have a big Mech army just yet and had invested way too much in anti-air static defense that ground defense was extremely extremely weak. And even late game it seemed those Ultralisks died in vain. You stated Queen Ultralisks don't work against Mech .. then how in the world can pure Ultralisks work against Mech? I mean at least they live longer with the Queen Transfusions right? Really, I hope you don't think because of this that Terran is OP/IMBA. Every race has it's difficulties which you overlook when playing one race. The self-pompous attitude of playing a race that is underpowered and requires more skill than other races is pretty insulting to players of other races that are actually skilled. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On February 17 2011 13:43 whomybuddy wrote: "from a theorycrafting standpoint Infestor/BroodLord is a great way to break a Terran turtle that has Vikings" LOL terran who goes for mass viking mean he has mass starport with reactor. No amount of infestor spam can help keeping the broodlord from dying. Well, I mean, if you have ENOUGH infestors, you can use neural parasite to grab his vikings so they can't shoot the broodlord. Failing that, you could fungal growth them so your brood lords can get away, especially if they're stacked up. I feel like Infested Terran are not very good AA though... | ||
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Moody
United States750 Posts
On February 17 2011 07:47 Mr. Enchilada wrote: Let me ask you something, do you play Zerg? And I can't believe I have to restate this over and over. IF ONE RACE HAS TO PLAY "BETTER" (more apm better macro etc.) THEN THE GAME IS NOT BALANCED. Obviously I know that blizzard won't change anything, so if we want to yell imbalance, then who gives a flying mutalisks glave worm hole. I care that you yell imbalance because it damages the community. If someone is thinking "Oh, la de da, I think I'll check out Starcraft 2, maybe buy it! First, I want to see what fans have to say about it! I know! I'll google it." You know what happens? Team liquid pops up, they read your post, and don't buy Starcraft. Right now, the game is balanced enough that skill determines the outcome of a game, not "balance." As for the "1A" unit composition, why should you even want that? Protoss HAS to have the death ball because they have shit for harassing units. Zerg however, has the best macro mechanic in the game (larvae) coupled with the best harass unit in the game (mutalisk). On top of that, you have mobility that is unmatched by any other race - your slowest unit (Hydra, off creep) is the same speed as marines and marauders (un stimmed). If you had all of this, AND an early/mid game death ball, would anything be able to beat a well played zerg? + Show Spoiler + No, obviously. I don't know what level you're at, but from your several ranting q.q posts I would assume you're not in masters. At your level, you need to find out what you're doing wrong, and fix it. Fix the major flaws in your build, learn different build orders depending on maps /spawn positions, and tighten them up. I'm not hating on all zergs here, but most seem to take what IdrA says as gospel. IdrA says it's imbalanced, so it must be. It couldn't be that he is simply getting out played. I honestly believe that if IdrA came out and said "Oh, patch 1.2.1 balanced the game!" ~90% of these On balance in general, what do you see as balanced? I see it as: if 2 equally skilled players play a game the have an equal chance of winning. If that is correct, then Starcraft 2 seems pretty balanced. Jinro beat IdrA last season because Jinro is better. MVP beat NesTea because MVP is better. If you honestly feel that Terran or Protoss is so much "easier" to play than Zerg, switch. It's as simple as that. Clearly you'll jump straight into top 200, and you can post the screen shot to prove me wrong. | ||
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sigmaAldrich
3 Posts
but since you already went mutas there were a lot of weak points in that base you could have attacked. for his third you could have harassed the mineral line and then proceed onto his natural taking out that lone turret. all he had were vikings. you could have taken your third earlier too. i'm not saying that would win you the game but that's what you could have done ^_^. | ||
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dahsfx39
United States1 Post
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Terranium
Turkmenistan144 Posts
Basically the gameplan is something similar to the old Brood War mech TvZ on Destination. The idea is you limit Zerg to his half of the map with tons of defense placed in the midfield. Because Zerg can never win Terran mech cost efficiently, when two sides are under equal resources Terran eventually wins after Zerg is mined out. Although this passive turtle strat is hard to beat, it is not impossible. Most Zerg's reaction to a turtling Terran is to counter-expand. If you do this, you have fallen into his trap. This is exactly what a turtling Terran wants you to do. You give him time to set up an impermeable defense. From my experience, the soft counter to this strategy is to organize multifront harrass when Terran tries to take his 3rd. I would request those people who haven't tried or encountered this strategy before please refrain from commenting. I know you haven't seen this style in GSL. I believe the reasons that Korean pros are not using it is because 1. It makes the match rather unentertaining to watch. 2. The early bio advantage is just to good to pass up. Kind of the "Why not end the game sooner if I can" mentality. 3. It doesn't give pros a chance to show off their insane micro. In fact no much micro is needed if you play mech. Again, if you don't care about whether your game is entertaining and have a lot of patience, then you definitely can win a lot of games with this strategy. | ||
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Kornholi0
Canada634 Posts
If you just kept it at like 80-90 drones and constantly made banelings (I know it sounds cheesy, but 100 banelings will take out any army, any size, and any mech easily). You have to micro banelings against tanks the same way a terran has to micro marines against banelings, you gotta splice and split. Only difference is you are moving towards the base instead of away. And please don't put ultras infront of banelings, its like putting tanks infront of marines. Let the baneligns soak up all the damage and do all the damage then come in with mass lings and ultralisks or mass roach ultralisk or hell just mass ultralisk. I agree that broodlords would of been your best choice. He had too many thors and not enough vikings to actually do any good against the broods. Even if you made 1 brood and the rest corruptors you could of stopped mining at the good expo. | ||
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MuffinFTW
United States235 Posts
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kamui8899
81 Posts
Point tho, some good advice has been given, you have to open yourself up to possibily admitting an alternate stratagey is possible. I'm only going to comment on game 20min(+) I'm a masters level player and I have to tell you some of your decision making was poor. You refuse to admit broods are possible b/c of the two reactor but yet throw ultras into thor which are a soft counter to ultras... the reality is that if he is only on two port all game (think he only had two ports). You could easy to broods and remax on muts or corrupters or whatever you want before he can do jack, you had like 10k 4k, ez pz. Two starports with reactors will NOT outproduce 6 hatches. Also you were somewhat obssessed with hitting his xpo, I think this let him defend much easier, if you had gone for the main there were less planaterys there and u could hit his production which really hurts terran. You weren't really remaxing either that well, the second some untis died you should remax insta, there should of been like a wave of untis going at the terran, i think at one point his resources were at like 97ish or something after a huge trade, but your untis were like no where to be found... Also you went for a drop which I don't think you even needed to do, if you just kept remaxing like 3 times in a row real quick you woulda broken him, you had this habit of "regrouping" which took a long time mayb cause your rally was far from your base? This was like free production time for the terran to take advantage of... Again even after remaxing you had a habit of going after planaterys, if you had jsut gone for his production i think he woulda been overrun... The repair time on the planatery helped him get in position much more. It was long so I just watched it on 4x/8x and its late here. Really you could of done simple things: better unit comp, better decision making. Also you may think you were hitting him all over the map. but you never really pulled his army waaaaay out of position and hten hit the other side, you kind of did that but gave him 2 minutes in between to remax/get his army back to the middle where he could react. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On February 17 2011 16:49 MuffinFTW wrote: If a Terran doesn't attack you at all = Great! Expo, macro all day, and become beast! But really just drone super hardcore, tech up to broodlords, good use for neural parasite is smart, and ultraliskuuu! Thank you, you not only did not watch the rep, you havent even read what i wrote. | ||
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Cibron
Sweden253 Posts
On February 17 2011 16:49 MuffinFTW wrote: If a Terran doesn't attack you at all = Great! Expo, macro all day, and become beast! But really just drone super hardcore, tech up to broodlords, good use for neural parasite is smart, and ultraliskuuu! watch the replay. Guy had 100+ drones. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
Even at late game, you still had a chance to compete with him (although it was hard) as you have way loads of resources. However, you did not pick your fights properly as you throw your waves of army into his deathball camping at chokes created by his PFs. Your army could have crushed his with proper flanking. You should be patient and pick off his base slowly, waiting for a better opportunity. Edit: You must change your mindset that zerg is best at late game macro. They get crushed by T or P's 3-3 deathball late late game. The strength of zerg is mid-late game where you macro up using your mobility, aggressiveness, map control, at the same time preventing enemies from expanding even further and trading armies to keep their deathball small. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On February 17 2011 17:22 kamui8899 wrote: I feel bad for op... He made this thread to help with a situation and gets all this zerg whine bs, and a bunch of people who like muffinftw probably haven't even watched teh replay and don't realize that op was two base ahead of his opponent and DID use ultralisks... Please save your useless comments. Point tho, some good advice has been given, you have to open yourself up to possibily admitting an alternate stratagey is possible. I'm only going to comment on game 20min(+) I'm a masters level player and I have to tell you some of your decision making was poor. You refuse to admit broods are possible b/c of the two reactor but yet throw ultras into thor which are a soft counter to ultras... the reality is that if he is only on two port all game (think he only had two ports). You could easy to broods and remax on muts or corrupters or whatever you want before he can do jack, you had like 10k 4k, ez pz. Two starports with reactors will NOT outproduce 6 hatches. Also you were somewhat obssessed with hitting his xpo, I think this let him defend much easier, if you had gone for the main there were less planaterys there and u could hit his production which really hurts terran. You weren't really remaxing either that well, the second some untis died you should remax insta, there should of been like a wave of untis going at the terran, i think at one point his resources were at like 97ish or something after a huge trade, but your untis were like no where to be found... Also you went for a drop which I don't think you even needed to do, if you just kept remaxing like 3 times in a row real quick you woulda broken him, you had this habit of "regrouping" which took a long time mayb cause your rally was far from your base? This was like free production time for the terran to take advantage of... Again even after remaxing you had a habit of going after planaterys, if you had jsut gone for his production i think he woulda been overrun... The repair time on the planatery helped him get in position much more. It was long so I just watched it on 4x/8x and its late here. Really you could of done simple things: better unit comp, better decision making. Also you may think you were hitting him all over the map. but you never really pulled his army waaaaay out of position and hten hit the other side, you kind of did that but gave him 2 minutes in between to remax/get his army back to the middle where he could react. a somewhat meaningful post, you noticed something wrong indeed, but i think i know what you mean. Regrouping and hitting his main with reinforcements once i brake trough. I wanted to do that if you go to my first person view you say i really my hatches towards his main. The i 've seen that some of the stuff will go into the other, still wel defended valley, so i reallied to the gold/ left valley. But i've seen there were some tanks on the cliffs. I couldnt tell immadiatly how many, but i just rereallied my units at my half of the map. And you say i havent attacked for like 2 minutes after losing one army. An ultralisk takes about 70-80 seconds to build and isnt the fastest unit to move trough the map, so 2 minutes feels reasonable. | ||
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Flyingpants
79 Posts
Remax on ultra ling, remax on pure muta, whichever is more viable. Get full upgrades and get them fast. Siege tanks are OP, you have to attack somewhere they aren't. Bling bust is how you kill PF, bling bust them ALL the time provided u have an ECO lead, which you usually should. Turtling terren is a great thing. It's the terren doing drops, hellion harass, and so on which is unstoppable. | ||
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
I advice you go to a really good Terran or Zerg and ask him for advice, theres so few players around your level (3500) that actually post here or would read it, so youre better off going directly to one of them | ||
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