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Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 05:23 GMT

#1786

On July 07 2015 11:50 ruXxar wrote:

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Holyflare said you played well, and I trust HF to hold people to a high standard.

Don't trust Holyflare, check for yourself. Even if you had it confirmed that Holyflare is town, you should still check it for yourself.

In the game he mentioned, I got vigilante shot Night 1. And basically everyone but Holyflare was scumreading me. And Holyflare was mafia. Many people in the game asked me to stop posting.

Please check your facts.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 05:34 GMT

#1792

On July 07 2015 14:28 Holyflare wrote:
It's pretty sad that you're playing this game quite blatantly to spite people if you are town since you are repeatedly asked questions or are provided with responses that you never use. I don't think you are a spiteful person and are very likely mafia.

I'm not spiting anyone. Almost every question I've asked has had a purpose. Some of it has led to something, some of it has not.

Anyway, I recently learned that I might not be here for End of Day tomorrow. So it appears that I will need to thought dump tonight.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 06:01 GMT

#1811

On July 07 2015 14:55 ritoky wrote:
@trfel: please respond to what HF posted here:

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thanx.

In the event that I'm wrong about LightningStrike, answering this question would be the most harmful thing I could possibly do for town. And I guess I'm not convinced enough about LightningStrike to do that. If it means I get lynched for it, so be it.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 06:04 GMT

#1812

I absolutely will provide content tonight. I'll start with a defense of the points raised against me, and then move to thoughts on a bunch of people (including Holyflare). But it's likely going to take me a very, very long time to finish, so I'm sorry about that.

I can't (and won't) blame anyone for lynching me.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 06:07 GMT

#1815

On July 07 2015 15:04 Holyflare wrote:

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On July 07 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote:

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I'm going to ignore you for a while.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 06:14 GMT

#1822

On July 07 2015 15:07 ritoky wrote:

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How would it be detrimental to town? You said you read his filter and he was town, then there was people being idiots around my claim, then you said he was mafia; but everything you said made him mafia was stuff that you had already previously read in his filter. Is this an incorrect representation? Correct me if it is wrong. Aka, answer the post.

I was scumreading LightningStrike.

Then, I changed my read on him to town.

Something about those questions changed the read back to scum, and the actual reasons that he was scum were the initial things I was scumreading him for.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 06:19 GMT

#1825

On July 07 2015 15:18 Holyflare wrote:
Ritoky can you post my refutation to trfel's case so he can talk about it because it's from someone he's not ignoring for irrational reasons. Post it as your own words so it looks legit.

I'll get to it later.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 07:55 GMT

#1839

A Defense

On July 07 2015 11:35 Holyflare wrote:
did you read what i've been writing?

all of his start of the game is indicative of someone burnt out from playing mafia twice in a row, he's never played like this ever as town at the start of the game

all of his questions when he did start asking questions were circular and could do nothing with the response

his reads don't make sense and aren't ever elaborated on, he scum reads me etc as well as ls and only ever explained ls

he's trolling through the thread

he switched his stance on ls from not scum to scum based on him asking questions about ritoky but that never featured in his case on LS which means those questions were irrelevant to his stance change which means his original post on not scum reading LS any more was bs

just read my filter it's full of stuff

I consider this to be the best single post expressing why people want to lynch me.

Meta

If you want to lynch me for meta, you ought to know what you're talking about, first.
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Student Mafia IV: Town Tracker Killed Night 1
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First game of forum mafia ever, third game of mafia (any type) ever. I was really, really bad. I got townread early for making really terrible meta cases (that took several hours to make, despite being absolutely useless), and was killed Night 1 with the (failed) intention of generating WIFOM.
TL Mafia LXIX: Carol of the Bells: Town Cop Killed Night 2
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I didn't play the game at all Day 1. I was required to vote or be modkilled, so I voted for the leading wagon without having any clue what was happening so that my vote wouldn't affect anything. Through late Day 2, most people were okay with lynching me. Towards the end of Day 2, I was getting very worried about dying and was very desperate, and ended up posting a case on KelsierSC that wasn't bad (primarily motivated by desperation). Scum thought that I might be a power role, and I was basically confirmed town, so I was killed that night.
Newbie Mini Mafia LX: Town Vanilla Killed Night 1
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I was on a plane and missed a fair part of Day 1. I got night killed anyway because scum thought I was a threat, even though I hadn't really done anything yet.
Student Mafia V: Mafia Goon Lynched Day 2
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I played really badly. Rsoultin caught me at the very start of the game. I got cop checked Night 1 and lynched the next day. Not much to say.
Linux Mini Mafia: Town Doctor Survived Night 1
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We won the game Night 1 after a Day 1 scum lynch and a scum modkill. Not much to say. I was an active participant, though I didn't actually contribute very much actual helpful content to town.
Newbie Mini Mafia LXI: Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4
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A very painful game, and not just because I threw the game in 3 player LYLO. I managed to make one player extremely upset. I poured all of my effort into the game, and ended up making some very bad reads and being too abrasive.

This game showed me that I wasn't as good as I thought I was. It also showed me that it doesn't work just to devote my life to the game, and it taught me that I'm really, really bad when trying to lead town (thought that doesn't stop me from trying, sometimes )
Mini Mafia Down Under 2: Town Vigilante Endgamed Day 4
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First, it's worth mentioning Mini Mafia Down Under (the first game). The game was aborted. I played really, really badly, and most everyone thought I was scum. I had a fair chance of being lynched Day 1, but the game was cut short.

I shot mafia Night 1, confirming myself as town. But throughout the game, I was extremely lazy and useless. My play this game was extremely bad, and I'm still ashamed of it. We lost pretty badly.
TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy: Town Veteran Lynched Day 7
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Yet another bad game for me.

I missed a lot of Day 1, and only ended up reading all of it by like Day 5 or something (IIRC). Many people were scumreading me, but I managed to pull off a really lucky night action with a special item to basically confirm me as town. I was fairly lazy and useless throughout the game.
Aperture Mafia 4: Third Party Dungeon Master Endgamed Night 3
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I didn't really play, didn't really read the thread, and died quickly.

The only notable thing this game is that in the Night 1 PMs, Holyflare posed as a science company and figured out that I wasn't town. That was really, really embarrassing.
Newbie Student Mafia 8

So, I was making a list of all of the games I've played, and my descriptions of them. But it was just too many words, and taking too long. I left what I had written spoilered above, just in case.

Basically, there are several games I've played extremely lazily. I often have trouble getting motivated to play as town. Meanwhile, playing as scum isn't as hard for me. I immediately know who my team is, and I have a responsibility to them. I know that I have a responsibility to town, too, but it's harder for me to feel it when I don't know who town is.

I'm a very emotional player, read my coaching QT from Newbie Mafia LXI and you'll see that immediately. And I'm also capable of extreme laziness, often tied to me being emotional, often tied to procrastinating.

I haven't gotten "burned out" from playing as mafia, but I do get "burned out" from playing as town. Look at my coaching QT from Newbie Mafia LXI, I burned out after Night 1 (first time surviving for more than 72 hours). I almost asked for a replacement. On the contrary, I was mostly fine with activity and effort throughout the game. Read the things I said postgame, and tell me I was worn out from it.

All of my questions (ok fine, only most of them.. not quite all) had a very distinct purpose. I don't feel the need to share my reads every second, only when there are major changes. And I don't feel the need to respond with "Thank you for answering my question" every time someone answers my question. Sometimes, I ask a question with multiple possible answers in mind, some of which are useless and some are useful. Often, these questions result in nothing; sometimes, they are very beneficial. Many things I learned from my questions are best kept to myself.

Also, if you really think that my "trolling" is alignment indicative... Look at my scum games. I was serious the entire time. Then look at my town games. It's true that this game, I've been the least serious of all of my games, but that doesn't mean I'm scum. For example, look at Aperture. If you want to see what me not caring and not playing looks like, that's it. I was third party, and I made one or two posts with reads, and then just collapsed. If I were burnt out from being mafia, THAT'S what my play would look like.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 08:01 GMT

#1840

On July 07 2015 15:06 Holyflare wrote:

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On July 07 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote:

On July 07 2015 09:41 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike

Responses to scumreads
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On July 06 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 07:28 geript wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
##vote trfel

Super over explained afk entry excuse post

You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on...

Scum #2 I've caught.

I not what are smoking bro? Weed? Crack?
When he gets scumread by geript, he just says he's not scum, and then says that something must be impeding geript's ability to read him. He responds to geript's scumread, but without providing any content. He doesn't actually ask geript why he had this scumread, doesn't think about geript's alignment at all, and seemingly assumes that geript is town.

Furthermore, I'm not used to LightningStrike being this aggressive in his wording.
On July 06 2015 08:36 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:35 Breshke wrote:
I also really like damdreds read on LS here. The fact that you didn't meta scott straight away makes it more likely you are your lazy scum self LS

It always feels good sheeping damdred. Choo Choo

##Vote Lightningstrike

I not scum what are you and Damdred smoking? Cocaine? Weed? Alcohol? Jesus Christ you are bad Breshke.
Again, he's really aggressive about the claim, and assumes that Breshke is town.

There are more examples, they're all similar.

Contrast this to other games, for example Himalayas:
On June 17 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum

Really because I actually rolled scum so therefore you must be scum!
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Jokes man jokes lol
I've never seen LightningStrike respond to scumreads as aggressively as he has in this game.
Changes his play in response to pressure, early townread on Damdred
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On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.

Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him?

Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o
On July 06 2015 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.

Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him?

Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o

Oh? I think I've played with town Scott once. But ls any other thoughts about him?

Not much to go on him yet.
This is his first discussion about reading people in this game.

Damdred responds like this:
On July 06 2015 07:55 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm expecting to much but you obviously are leaning one way on Scott currently and you have said that you played multiple times with him.

Usually you would throw that meta and five me a preliminary call now you just lazily tell me you don't have enough. Even if it is super early you do it as town a lot but never as scum.
And LightningStrike responded like this:
On July 06 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:10 Damdred wrote:
That might seriously be the laziest I've ever seen ls. It just seems like he's phoning it in.

I'm like 99% sure ls is scum here

Fight me I not scum(Seriously though it kinda hard to tell the difference early on but later it's easier to tell the difference from what I had looked).
If anyone want all his games here they are and correct he rolled town 50% of the time and scum 50% of the time:
Town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?user=scott31337
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?user=scott31337
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=scott31337
Scum:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=scott31337
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=Scott31337
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?user=scott31337
From what I can tell it's easier to read him later than earlier(Also quick note on the first game I linked he replaced in the night before)
Which doesn't actually do anything to help his case. "Hey LightningStrike, you're scum because you didn't do this." "Okay, I did it, am I cool now?"
On July 06 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:09 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:08 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
@ rs maybe your new read should go in the trash the damdred train is going past the ls lynch this day.

Na her read on me is correct maybe your LS reading machine is overheating from last game thus not working correctly?
Also on the note about scott: As scum seems to be more obvious as the game progresses I only skimmed some of his filter from his last two town games and I still need more posts from him to determine his alignment by meta.

do you have any town at this point?

Damdred even if he's wrong on me I see Town Damdred this game.
The townread on Damdred feels very out of place. This is the only read he's made to this point in the game. Also, note the wording, he says "if" instead of "though". LightningStrike ought to know that he is town...
On July 06 2015 11:18 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 11:16 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:
On July 06 2015 11:06 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 11:04 Damdred wrote:
On July 06 2015 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:
On July 06 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote:
I'm back.

Kel I don't get it, you really like my points on ls which I feel is really strong and getting stronger by the second.

But instead you judge me based on the structure of a town read and don't even mention the ls read that you liked? That's kind of strange

how i like to read you and rsoul is how you read eachother, your town read on her is less developed than usual i cant explain that shit.
so i liked the ls case, but ls....like i just fucking hate whenever he types so if i ignore all that shit and try to play outside of that id ont like you
make sens

I'm not sure I follow 100%.
example if you don't like a town read that's ok, but you like another read is developed with support you want to discard because you don't like him anyway? So you don't like me.

that doesn't make sense and you are discarding part of my game play for no real reason it feels uneven and unnecessary coming from you

im basically not sure i believe your LS read anymore and anything connected to LS is always slightly aids
so im looking at your rs read and it doesnt feel as good
im not 100% i just dont like you in my gut i guess
it dpeends what ls does

What does it even mean that my RS read didn't feel as good? Not as condensed as assassins where I had to be vs different here and the last game I played in?

So you are scum reading me (sorta) on style rather than content?

And you don't think my Ks read is good anymore when he is 100% still going against meta?

well..it is like this. scott apparently has few games played and LS did explain the read of like "oh you get him later"
LS is...well like you never know wtf is happening. so i think a few pages its hard to say well fuck yeh he is lazy...it just doesnt feel good...fuck i cant explain that properly
so i feel like your LS scum is dishonest and your rsoul is town feels like a cheap rsoul is town comparitively

Damdred is wrong about my alignment and Damdred does normally rsouls alignment correctly but he wrong on my alignment this game but that wont make him scum if he is scum.
And it continues. He doesn't take any effort to explain this Damdred read at all. And he's so aggressive towards others who scumread him. It feels like he just townread Damdred to appease him.

When LightningStrike finally gives a reason for townreading Damdred (in his list post), it's because Damdred is putting in effort. Which wasn't the case when LightningStrike first gave his townread of Damdred.
Meek tone when asking people for reads
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One of LightningStrike's most commonly asked questions to people is "what are your reads, please?"

On July 06 2015 08:41 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
hi, i am town. i will be back when relevant information is being posted. bye.

Drive By Posting seems common this game O_o
Normally, I would expect LightningStrike to ask a question to ritoky, such as "When you return, please share your reads" or something like that. In the Himalayas game, he asked this question very early on. But here, he just comments. No question, no conclusion, just a comment.

On July 06 2015 11:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Oats while you at it can you explain your reads on the people you quoted please?
On July 06 2015 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:
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On July 06 2015 12:29 milo109 wrote:
Alright you people are boring. I'll be back in the morning.

When you wake up care to give me your thoughts?
On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share?

Compare this to Assassination Mafia:
On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:
@Marv: What are your current reads?
@Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread?
On May 14 2015 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:
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On May 14 2015 05:57 Damdred wrote:
Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly

When you are caught up can I have your reads please?
On May 14 2015 22:47 LightningStrike wrote:
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On May 14 2015 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
On May 13 2015 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster,
Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike
Rsoultin (1) - Onegu
Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend
Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks
BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear,

Just for informational purposes.

Hello VE thoughts so far on everyone?

There's a very clear difference in tone between these games.

On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:
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On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.

Kel is a town lean.

I'm town, this is a good start

Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all.
Here's a counter-example from Himalayas. However, I haven't seen LightningStrike play like this as town before, and it still feels like his tone is more meek in this game than his other town games (even the Himalays quote).

Furthermore, he's being more aggressive towards people who scumread him this game than in other games. Why is he more aggressive in response to scumreads, but more defensive when asking people for reads? It doesn't make sense.

There is one more reason, possibly the strongest reason. But I need to see what people think about this before I could consider sharing it. And no, I'm not going to say what it is at this time, so don't ask.

On July 06 2015 12:13 Holyflare wrote:

On July 06 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:

On July 06 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
ah ye olde crack/weed/alcohol meta read

lol apparently i'm not the first to think of it. it any good? it only just clicked for me last game

it's pretty basic but works for him being town from my exp, i have another stupid meta read that i'm waiting on for him too

1st point is a town read like we've said and you should have seen if you were reading the thread

2nd point is just silly because he does that regularly, you can just look at any game and see he plays reactionary to appease people

3rd point you literally compare 2 quotes that are exactly the same and say they are different

When you wake up care to give me your thoughts?

When you are caught up can I have your reads please?

First point. Okay, I missed it. Could you please point it out to me? To me, the fact that he responds exactly the same way every time (well okay, every time except for one) is extremely scummy and feels fake.

Second point. It's primarily about the early townread on Damdred. However, the fact that he actively changes his play in response to what people scumread him for shows that he accepts that he did scummy things, but he still accuses everyone who scumreads him of doing drugs?

And there is a very notable difference. The content is unchanged, it's the tone. "Please give me your thoughts" and "Can I please have your reads" are very different. The first is like a request, and while he's being polite, he isn't at all doubting that there will be an answer. "Can I please have your reads" is still polite, but considers the possibility that this will be refused. It feels a lot less confident.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 08:02 GMT

#1842

I lied, I'm too sleepy. Not getting to my Holyflare read tonight.

I'll do my best to share it tomorrow. Sorry.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 08:13 GMT

#1843

I just feel genuinely sorry that you guys are going to lynch me, because I haven't been playing my best. You guys deserve better.

I know it sounds really shallow, but I honestly feel pretty awful about this.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 20:17 GMT

#2684

I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread.

I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante.

If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky.

I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her?

Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum:

Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him.

For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting.

Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 20:20 GMT

#2690

Don't lynch rsoultin, that's really stupid.

Voting ritoky for now, will check back in a bit, hopefully.

Damdred didn't play very well last game (as town), and I did like his play early on (the LightningStrike push).

##vote ritoky

Trfel

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July 07 2015 20:21 GMT

#2693

On July 08 2015 05:20 Harkon wrote:

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This is really all you have? Really?

It's all I have time to share right now.

If you actually take time to check what I'm saying, you will see it. Read some Holyflare games if you need to.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 07 2015 20:27 GMT

#2709

On July 08 2015 05:20 marvellosity wrote:

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explain.

I'm pretty confident that she's town.

Primarily because she knows how to play scum very well. Here, her play feels a bit off, but not necessarily in a scummy way. Rsoultin's scum play feels overall very solid, but it lacks the spark of her town play. Here, I think I do see that spark. Also, I think she'd be less argumentative as scum....

On July 08 2015 05:21 Holyflare wrote:
Trfel you say this is the worst you have played any game. Rsoultin town reads you before you even play despite you playing at your worst. You don't bat an eyelid. Explain?

You caught me in Aperture in a really, really stupid way. I'm extremely easy to catch on personality stuff, if you have the aid of faster communication (PMs) or know my thought process and town mindset.

Rsoultin and I have actually spent a fair amount of time talking about mafia, how to make reads, and how we play. She uses a bunch of personality-meta combination reads (aka reads that don't always depend on how (objectively) well a person is playing. She's correctly read me in every single game we've played together (the vast majority of all of the games I've played), including catching me as mafia on like my third post in Student Mafia V, figuring out that I was third party in Aperture pretty early on, and townreading me in all the games I played really badly (one exception being Mafia Down Under 1, which was entirely my fault). She even identified my smurf Qwerty! as being me, and that I was town, without me saying anything.

To be honest, if rsoultin ever gets my alignment wrong, I can be almost certain that she's mafia.

Trfel

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July 07 2015 20:28 GMT

#2711

On July 08 2015 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
I mean, what purpose does trfel's post have if he has no intention of lynching me or getting me lynched?

If I get lynched, I expect people to take another look at it and check the things that I said.

Trfel

7015 Posts

July 08 2015 05:44 GMT

#3226

70 pages behind................................

T.T

Trfel