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HaruRH
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"I understand that I'm lynching Palmar based on absolutely nothing because I am afraid of words and my brain hurts when I think. I also don't like winning mafia games. I take full responsibility for my idiocy." sig: HaruR Wait a minute, I dont want you to shut up. Continue on, your overreaction is fun to watch. | ||
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HaruRH
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Using the kills on d2 and 3 as proof, we have: Bunnies - n2 Bunnies was active at n2 exactly after the lynch, where she said that she was catching up. Fuba was active at that time too. Mderg only came along 10 hours after all the fiasco. It could be right to assume that fuba sent in the name when bunnies was regarded as safe by amiko (amiko was asking bunnies about reads on others and never asked others on reads of her) and me and sqrt were suspected. This is a safe kill for fuba as it only causes trouble for everyone else to lose a 'confirmed' townie. Alakaslam - n3 On n3, both palmar and mderg were pretty active, figuring out the lylo situation. As scum, it would be wise to kill off slam since he could have been blue and was quite a confirmed townie by you all. Slam did not die on n2 since killing off bunnies would have been more beneficial, to deny her time to make claims. Thus, slam the confirmed town was killed off n3 instead. I'm still convinced its fuba. If Palmar is the scum, I'll. .. cry. | ||
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HaruRH
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On June 06 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote: @Mderg: Can you talk some about fuba in particular? Ideally I'd like you to make as strong a case on fuba as you can. @fuba: Can you explain to me why you raised your case on sqrt when you did? I think I raised the point earlier- To me, the tone of your post seemed like you were just interjecting in a conversation you were involved in (you said something like "I'm glad you mentioned sqrt"). But, if you were following the conversation, I would have expected you to be caught up on the slOosh / M_Z lynches and weigh in on the bandwagons. It seemed to me like that post just didn't belong at that time. There's other stuff on D2 I'll try to bring up as I continue through thread. It should be obvious by now that both fuba and mderg are intentionally hiding or trying to get attention - I still think fuba is the lynch. I am not going to convince both of you to switch to fuba, but Palmar's flip will prove to be a headache for us. | ||
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HaruRH
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On June 07 2014 01:18 Palmar wrote: Day 1. I don't know what happened. Maybe I dreamt the whole thing. I was having a conversation, quite a heated conversation. Someone wanted to kill me, neither of us was sure for exactly what reason. The last thing I remember is some fading echoes of how I hadn't changed his mind. And now I'm stuck here. It took me a while to fully realize that I'm alone. I'm not quite sure how to proceed from here. I thought I was talking to someone, but only the wind seems to have heard me. I heard a summon so I came | ||
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HaruRH
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I had nearly forgotten that I signed up for this programme called 'Detention Mafia', which caught my eye when the ad was shoved into my letterbox. I submitted a letter of participation enclosed in the ad. Nearly 2 weeks later, someone rang the doorbell. At this point, I have forgotten all about this 'Mafia' thing I submitted, so I thought a relative came along. I opened the door and the last thing I saw was a big, grizzly guy in black. I woke up here, in this debilitated concrete building that seemed to be abandoned for quite some time. I was in a room with a huge wooden door with no windows - and under the door was a piece of paper. I couldn't feel my legs, so I crawled to the piece of paper and read it. 'WARNING: THIS IS YOUR ALIGNMENT. DO NOT REVEAL IT. YOUR ALIGNMENT IS......' was what was written on the piece of paper. I don't know why, I can't write my alignment on this diary. Some magic have to be involved in this. A few minutes later, I recovered the use of my legs and opened the door. It opened to a gigantic room with 12 other doors around it, with a medival style wooden grandstand complete with a noose in the middle. I shuddered. 'what could this giant wooden platform be for?' I wondered out loud. 'For a game we are forced to play, called Mafia.' said a voice behind me. I turned around, and leaning on the opposite wall was a tall and lean young man. He identified himself as 'sqrtneg1', which was a codename that we all had to use as per the rules written on the piece of paper. Suddenly, everyone - 11 others, in fact, came through their doors and gathered in this giant room, which felt small now. A voice rang 'Greetings. I am the host of this game, the 'Detention Mafia'. My codename is BlazingHand. In this game, 3 mafias, 8 vanilla town members and 2 others have been selected. I believe you all have read the slip of paper before you came. This is a simple game of mafia. Every morning, which last 48 hours, you can vote for someone through the box beside the platform who you think is the mafia. At the end of the 48 hours, the votes will be tallied and the highest voted individual will be lynched.' A chill ran down my spine when I heard that word. What is the meaning of this? Why do I have to kill someone else? I wondered. 'you have to lynch all the mafia members before they outnumber you. Every night, which lasts for 24 hours, you will stay in your room. The mafia will be armed with a gun, and they will choose someone to kill. You have 48 hours for the first day. Have fun'. And the voice ended. There was an uproar in the room. Everyone had no idea what to do. It took us 2 hours to calm down and we sat in a circle, introducing ourselves. 'Hhhheello my nnname... my cooode name is jaaaberrwoooockzzzerg' as the person seated directly opposite me stuttered. 'Amiko here.' said the guy in a full suit, with sunglasses on. 'Chromatically here!' as the guy who looked younger than me raised his hands. '27ninjabunnies here!' said the lady in shades. Meapak Ziphh at your service' as the yound man, who looked to be in his thirties stated. 'mderg.' said the guy who looked completely disinterested. 'Hello guys, I am sqrtneg1 and....(I failed to hear the rest of his speech)' said the guy whom I just met. 'slosh hereee.' the guy said in the most boring tone ever. 'ALLLLAKASLAM IZ MY NAME' as the hippie-looking guy proudly exclaimed. 'fuba'. said the second most boring person. 'Palmar here.' claimed the person who had his legs spread out. Lastly, I introduced myself 'Haru..RH here... hello?' I said. I was still very confused with the current situation. After the introductions, everyone explored the different rooms and the giant hall. I clenched onto the slip of paper, knowing that this might decide my fate. Before long, I felt sleepy again and went back to the room that I awoke from and went back to sleep. Who are these people, and what is my purpose here? I wondered before drifting to sleep. | ||
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HaruRH
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24 hours till the first lynch. I barely slept - I was wondering what kind of horrific game was this. As I stumbled out of the room, there was a huge commotion going on. In the middle, the person who identified himself as 'jabberwockzerg', the timid one, was surrounded by ninjabunnies, sqrt and fuba. They were literally screaming at jabber, who was cowering at the center of the commotion. I joined in and heard about how jabber accidentally let loose some details that may prove him to be mafia. Without hesitation, ninjabunnies went to the voting box and voted for jabber. '27ninjabunnies have voted for jabberwockzerg', a booming voice rang. Jabber broke down to tears and cried for help. I went to him and told him to quickly pack up and go, but was suspected by them to be 'scummy' instead. 'Why did you do this? Are you helping your scum buddy?' ninjabunnies claimed. I shouted back that I just wanted to help him. Mderg suddenly stepped in and helped jabber too. He fought a 3-on-1 battle while I reconsidered my options. 'What if jabber was the mafia we are looking for?' I walked to the voting box and voted for jabber. 'HaruRH have voted for jabberwockzerg', the voice boomed again. I shook. What would entail for jabber? 5 hours later, votes for jabber flowed in. Mderg is still defending jabber and voted for Meapak instead, who he thinks is a stronger case for the real mafia. The general consensus was that jabber was playing like a mafia, and with jabber hiding himself in his room, not defending himself, he was set to be 'lynched' today. The time for the lynch came. A shadowy figure came in from almost nowhere and poured out all the votes from the box. 'NO!' screamed jabber, from his own room. He was genuinely afraid. The figure counted and said in a deep voice: ' 11 votes for jabber. He shall be lynched' and walked to jabber's room. Jabber was grabbed out of his room and onto the wooden platform, where everyone gathered around. 'Jabber the vanilla townie is thus lynched' as the figure tied the noose around jabber, who is still crying and shouting for help. The figure pulled a lever and jabber was hanged as the floor underneath him gave way. I could not believe my eyes. I actually voted for someone to die, in front of my eyes! I teared as I thought of how jabber was just scared and was helpless all long. We did not gather any information nor did we 'lynch' a mafia. The guilt of killing jabber and the fear of a mafia coming into my room to kill me is gnawing into my consciousness. I stumbled back into my room while glancing at jabber's helpless body one last time. I cannot sleep tonight. | ||
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HaruRH
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On June 07 2014 02:02 Amiko wrote: Are they hiding? Or are they trying to get attention? I don't understand how this sentence makes sense on its own, or preceding the statement that fuba is the lynch. trying not to get attention* | ||
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HaruRH
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On June 07 2014 02:10 Amiko wrote: Anyway Haru honestly, whether we lynch Palmar first or Fuba first only matters if you think mderg can be scum. It is possible, but I think the likelihood is really remote (and for what it's worth, it seems Palmar and Fuba both are stating the same). If Palmar is lynched and flips town, I think the obvious move is to lynch Fuba tomorrow unless there's any real case on mderg. Take a look at fuba's points on mderg and see what you think of them. I know you suspect fuba, but take a look and see what you think. Honestly, I think we have enough information from Palmar today. I say we lynch fuba today and pressure mderg. He still have the chance of being the mafia - a remote chance is still a chance. I really want to hear what mderg have to say. Fuba doesn't seem to want to contribute. Get rid of him today. | ||
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On June 06 2014 04:30 fuba wrote: I also realize that both Palmar and I, whether town or scum, will probably want to lynch mderg first because mderg is a much more difficult person to lynch than myself or palmar, respectively. I'm not sure there's a way for town to win out of this situation if Palmar isn't scum, tbh XD I feel like if I'm lynched first then Palmar is almost definitely the next lynch, judging from the thread recently. And if Palmar is lynched first then I'm not sure I see people lynching mderg over me, when even I've admitted that it makes more sense that he was actually roleblocked than scum is faking the roleblock. Because my game feels pretty much over either way, I'll just sheep Amiko. ##Vote: Palmar Because why not~ To me, this statement have convinced me fuba is the scum we are looking for. he did not include himself into the group of town. If it was any other town, he would have stated I'm not sure there's a way for us town to win out of this situation | ||
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HaruRH
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On June 06 2014 06:17 mderg wrote: I feel like Palmar´s defense is completely based on 1 point, that he wouldn´t play like this as mafia. His actions would make sense as town but they would also make sense as scum. His vote on bunnies doesn´t make him town. Slightly pushing a townie for weak reasons doesn´t instantly make one suspicious. It seems like a low risk low reward move to make as scum. Semi-busing sloosh and gobble was without any follow up, so that didn´t actually put them under huge pressure, so it wasn´t very dangerous and could be used to distance himself from these two resulting in him being less suspicious when they flip or the other way around. It would be pretty ballsy but I think Palmar is capable of that. Staying on MZ on day 2 also makes sense from a scum perspective because one more vote would have changed things. Especially with the third mafia not voting this could have ended in a mislynch and put a scumteam of sloosh, gobble, palmar in a good position. So it all kinda comes down to this: The thing about this is that it´s simply a matter of believing him or not believing him. And I don´t believe him. I don't know if mderg is trying to convince us all that Palmar is the scum through his feelings or what, this is definitely not something I would like to see from a mafia candidate. we need to pressure mderg more to speak up and give us his final thoughts rather than sheep you and afk. | ||
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HaruRH
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On June 07 2014 02:33 Amiko wrote: "I'm not sure there's a way for town to win out of this situation if Palmar isn't scum" Why is this suspicious? It seems like something fuba would say if he was town (I don't townread him for saying it, I'm just saying it doesn't seem scummy to me) If fuba is town, from his point of view the remaining mafia is either Palmar or mderg. I think fuba recognizes that the prevailing thought is that mderg is the most towny of these three, so it's irrelevant whether Palmar or Fuba is lynched first if mderg is scum. It seems scummy to me because nobody speaks/write like that when referencing to something that he/she is. For example, you don't say 'I'm not sure if there's a chance people will die if they live in the radiation zone' if YOU live in the radiation zone. Instead, you would say 'I'm not sure if there's a chance we will die if we live in the radiation zone'. You always associate things to yourself if you're it. If you know what I mean. This just tells me fuba isn't thinking like a town, and rather have some scummy thoughts. | ||
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HaruRH
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On June 07 2014 02:33 Amiko wrote: If fuba is town, from his point of view the remaining mafia is either Palmar or mderg. I think fuba recognizes that the prevailing thought is that mderg is the most towny of these three, so it's irrelevant whether Palmar or Fuba is lynched first if mderg is scum. And if Palmar is lynched first then I'm not sure I see people lynching mderg over me So fuba doesn't include himself in town? He said that he knew palmar will die today, so he should be referencing to himself even more as he will definitely be alive for 1 more day should palmar be a mislynch (which at this point, I can bet it is one). I'm not sure there's a way for town to win out of this situation if Palmar isn't scum, tbh XD Making people doubt mderg. Hmm. | ||
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HaruRH
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On June 04 2014 02:06 mderg wrote: This honestly feels like scum who´s given up. | ||
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On June 07 2014 02:44 Amiko wrote: That's fine. Let's talk after the game since I'll know your helpful comments are genuine. >.> you're really bent on killing off both fuba and palmar. But I still think that mderg still have the remote chance of being mafia. We should really let palmar live for one more day, lynch fuba who is still unwilling to contribute until now and make mderg and palmar try to convince the remaining of us who is more scummy should it still go on. The order doesn't matter, but having palmar who is willing to talk is better than fuba, who is just hiding. | ||
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HaruRH
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On June 07 2014 02:51 Amiko wrote: Don't you think there will be more pressure on fuba to talk tomorrow? When everyone who is left seems to want to vote him? When Palmar isn't here to be a focus? No. Fuba doesn't feel like someone who will be pressured even with votes, given his previous record of nearly ignoring everyone who voted for him, not asking why they did so. | ||
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HaruRH
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On June 07 2014 02:51 Amiko wrote: When everyone who is left seems to want to vote him? This is the problem I want us all to overcome. After killing off palmar, everyone will afk and sheep a fuba vote. I can and will guarantee this will happen. If mderg is the mafia, he gets a free win. | ||
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On June 06 2014 04:30 fuba wrote: Because my game feels pretty much over either way, I'll just sheep Amiko. ##Vote: Palmar Because why not~ He isn't even trying anymore, any questions will not be answered because he doesn't feel the need to answer anymore. Doesn't this screams scum to you? | ||
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D1: MZ D2: MZ -> Sloosh D3: MZ His reasons for voting MZ on the first day is this: + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2014 08:21 mderg wrote: Now on to Meapak. I think he might be the scum we´re looking for. I don´t agree with his reasoning to vote for jabber but that´s not scummy in itself. What I really don´t like is the part about HaruRH. He assumes jabber is scum but in that case I think it´s way more likely for scum to completely bus him and hide under all the other votes on him. He also never really makes a follow up to this. I think it would have been helpful to give reasons why he could be convinced of a Palmar lynch. To me it seems like searching for someone to sheep the lynch from. The part about sqrt is not actually something I see as scummy because it pushes for better information. I like how he defends me for my jabber defense. This part of his play seems good to me. This feels like he´s being critical about the ongoings and is trying to solve the game. So I liked how he defended me and was critically questioning a second bandwagon. But I didn´t like how he pushed HaruRH without following up at all. I also don´t like how he was basically just waiting for someone to make a case on Palmar. Overall I´m not convinced by his play. Everything I liked about his play posts about things surrounding the jabber lynch. He´s made some weird pushes without proper follow up which is what makes me think he might be scum. ##vote: Meapak_Ziphh Overall reason: not convinced of his play of making weird pushes without proper followup. From filterdiving mderg, excluding his defense on jwz, it all falls under 3 categories: 1) bussing + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2014 21:10 mderg wrote: I think sloosh´s first defense makes sense in theory but I think it looks kinda forced. I feel like if you want him to provide more content and proper reads, you can ask him questions about other people without pressuring too much. But almost ignoring feels like the wrong idea, if you want him to develop his own reads. I wasn´t completely sold on his scumminess but this defense just doesn´t sound townie to me. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2014 01:00 slOosh wrote: Not interacting with him isn't the same thing as indifference. Jabber was in a situation where basically the entirety of town was calling him scum. The best thing to do in this situation is to ease off the pressure so we can see if he can develop some reads and absolve himself. Otherwise all his efforts are put into trying to defend himself for a mistake we now know was innocently made, and cannot be defended. Which is what he ended up doing. This led to posts like this In hindsight we see that because his time and focus is bent on something that he admits was a mistake and is indefensible, his post quality dropped. At the time, it's not clear if this is from scum or town, because there isn't too much actual content in here. I wanted to avoid this by not adding onto the grilling of him, and instead watch what he does if left alone. This is why I started prodding other people as it's more productive than just waiting to see what jabber would say, and also maybe provide avenues for jabber to contribute. In the end jabber wasn't really able to mount any meaningful content so I left my vote on him. I don´t think him making a case on MZ is alignment indicative for either of them. An MZ lynch is basically the only way for sloosh to survive. If sloosh flips scum (I´m assuming that he will be the lynch for today) it doesn´t clear MZ at all, since sloosh´s case on him came only when both were under heavy pressure. This basically seals the deal for me. What Amiko pointed out looks like textbook scumplay to me. With this I´m pretty sure sloosh is scum. My opinion on MZ also didn´t change one bit, it´s just that sloosh is even scummier than him. ##unvote ##vote: slOosh He basically jumped onto the slooshwagon with a reason that is based on his feelings. 2) redirecting attention After jumping onto the slooshwagon, he stated that scum should be on the MZ wagon, which he initially jumped out of. + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2014 18:52 mderg wrote: I don´t even want to imagine what would have happened, if gobble voted and MZ was town... In general I think scum is either MZ or likely to be found on the MZ wagon. I´m rather confident that it´s one between MZ, Palmar, sqrt, HaruRH. I don´t think it´s fuba, he started that and put himself in the spotlight in a way you probably wouldn´t want to as scum. The voteswitch at the end was strange because I don´t think it was going too easily. I mean the case was solid and based on sloosh´s whole game, and there were still like 3 people voting MZ. That was actually me and his defense suggested otherwise, so I don´t think it was really a solid point at the end of the day. I don´t think he sold out his teammates. His "reads" should probably not even taken into consideration right now since he was almost certainly going to get lynched at that point. For now I´d still go with MZ. I read him as scum since the end of day 1. 3) agreeing Much of his entire filter was filled with him agreeing with almost every little thing everyone wrote. To me, he seems to be trying to avoid discussion about him through trying to post as effectively as possible. He certainly achieved this. But the play where he gave minimal reasons for sheeping sloosh lynch but yet suspect everyone on the MZ lynch, which he initially jumped out of, is very suspicious. | ||
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