EPT[I][T][M] Vengeful Mini Mafia! - Page 51
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
So, Ceph, if I can't meta you why not do more to show your townieness. There is literally no downside since 1)scum has no nightkill and 2)there are no blue roles. LSB: as much as I love the idea of happily ever after plans they aren't so helpful to this game at this moment. You have not contributed anything for a while, have your reads evolved? Who do you see as most likely scum and who as most likely town. Why? | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On February 05 2014 23:58 Promethelax wrote: We should be lynching a townie every day. That is better play than lynching a scum. If we lynch a townie that townie gets to shoot into the scummy players list which we have drawn up as a town thus eliminating tow suspects, themselves and the other player. If we lynch a scum he can shoot whomever he feels is most dangerous to scum. I am happy to be the townie lynched because 1) I will shoot scum and 2) you guys are not fun to play with This is probably the scummiest idea I have ever seen. There is only one way for scum to win. That is to have two days where we lynch a townie and the townie shoots another townie. Whoever is most dangerous to scum is just an assumption that can easily be abused, night kills can be used for more than eliminating good townies It is always better for town to lynch scum (or at least our best bet) because in that case we don't have to gamble that the townie would be able to shoot a mafia. Simply lynching town every day is a great way to hand scum a gambled victory ##unovte ##vote: Promethelax I don't really understand why you are volunteering to be lynched, however if you truely are town and shoot a mafia I will congratulate you. Above all I don't understand why people are suggesting that we shoot instead of lynch people. Yes flips are nice, but are they really that important? There is always so much busing and fake arguments going on in mafia, associations are rarely alignment indicative. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
I've realized some things in the last few months that have lead me into this search. First off, contradictions. This is something I've noticed happening increasingly often from town players, and I don't find it a very convincing scumtell with the exception of extreme situations. Second, general theme of play. I've seen so many scum that seem much more town than any other player in the game, and vice versa. I've also seen absolutely horrible plays as either alignment, both getting failing and succeeding with them. The main point is, I've been wrong at forum mafia too many times lately to go on by my old methods. I want to be and find something more certain, and I'm experimenting looking into specific points of one's play currently. I also know that this post is not finding us scum. I don't need that to be pointed out, it's obvious for anyone. (Or at least, should be.) If I cared to look like I only make good posts, I'd post much less and only to the point. However, that leaves less for others to read into me which is bad when I'm a townie. I'm also getting tired of being called lurker every single game (although I can understand that in many games there has also been reason to, but certain players seem to stick to that theme way too eagerly. Lurk once, and you're a lurker for the whole game and even the next one.), so I currently prefer to just post casually without overthinking stuff and leading myself astray with that. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
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Promethelax
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On February 06 2014 02:52 Promethelax wrote: Because there will be two deaths per day, one unflipped and one flipped. Better have the unflipped one be a townie and the flipped one be scum. We're never going to get two scum deaths (obviously since no scum will shoot scum) so it is better to have the one scum death be flipped. That proves the alignments of both players and gives town a bigger advantage than the flipped player being town because a townie could suck their way into shooting a townie easily while the only people who will shoot scum are town. ???? Please explain the bolded part. Have I not made it clear that town shooting town is the only way how scum will win? And why do I care about the alignments of dead players? This is what I am incredibly concerned about. If you haven't noticed, this isn't your normal mafia game. Scum does not win by simply getting town lynched. Scum wins by having a townie shoot another townie. This is why I am incredibly concerned about WoS trying to tie players together. This is also why I am concerned about Marv trying to make sure that rayn gets shot at night instead of simply lynching him. And this is also why I think you are mafia. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
The thing is however, that's also a feel-based reasoning. Thinking about the things logically, my first thought about the back&forth crap between DP+rayn & marv feels like scum shitting up the thread. Going on about it, I feel it would be unlikely for scum to take the same side of the argument at this point in the game, which leads me to believe rayn & DP are not both scum. One of them could still be. One scum on both sides of the argument is a fairly likely case as well. The third scum I am sure has absolutely nothing to do with the shitfest going on, I wouldn't want to associate all scumteam members into a clusterfuck unless I wanted to cause it with the intent of sacrificing a member or two for the last one to get away. (Let's say that there's a random argument where 5 people take part. Say you lynch 3 of those players and 2 flip scum. How likely would you suppose that the third scum is in the remaining 2 players of the argument, rather than in the 4 players outside of it?). This makes me look at WoS & LSB more critically. Flow of thoughts, nothing more specific right now that pops into mind or that I feel is noteworthy enough to share. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On February 06 2014 03:04 Promethelax wrote: Every day there will be at least one townie death. If we are sure that someone is scum. Artanis for instance. It is better to lynch a borderline player, one who many people suspect, and have them shoot Artanis. That way we ensure that we eliminate two suspects from the suspect pool and, hopefully, get a red flip to inform our future choices. I don't understand why you are repeating yourself in hopes of a different response by me. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
Promethelax (3) - WaveofShadow (1) - Holyflare, Holyflare (1) - Artanis[Xp], Artanis[Xp] (0) - marvellosity (0) - raynpelikoneet (0) - DarthPunk (0) - Not Voting - Cephiro, WaveofShadow, marvellosity, DarthPunk If any votes have been missed, please let us know! With 9 players remaining, 5 votes are required to lynch. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On February 06 2014 03:07 LSB wrote: I don't understand why you are repeating yourself in hopes of a different response by me. Because you asked me to explain it, that lead me to believe you didn't understand. So I tried again. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On February 06 2014 02:58 LSB wrote: ???? Please explain the bolded part. Have I not made it clear that town shooting town is the only way how scum will win? And why do I care about the alignments of dead players? This is what I am incredibly concerned about. If you haven't noticed, this isn't your normal mafia game. Scum does not win by simply getting town lynched. Scum wins by having a townie shoot another townie. This is why I am incredibly concerned about WoS trying to tie players together. This is also why I am concerned about Marv trying to make sure that rayn gets shot at night instead of simply lynching him. And this is also why I think you are mafia. So to clarify you think lynching scum and allowing said scum to shoot whomever they want is better than lynching a low hanging townie fruit (i.e. one that looks scummy) and having them shoot the guy we're sure is scum? If that second guy is not scum we were already going to lynch him and allow him to shoot anywhere into the others in the game; how is that preferable to the scenario I suggest? | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
In reality every player should have a read on every other single player. There are only 8 people to read for god's sake. What I would most appreciate is reads from Wave/LSB/Ceph they are all three in my townie column but I am not as sure of them as I am marv and DP. I believe those three can provide good reads based on actual things in this game which should both help move discussion forward and help to find the scum in that group if there is one. I'm here for another hour or so and after that heading out to celebrate my snow day. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On February 04 2014 09:37 WaveofShadow wrote: KK. But just so you know I was serious about paying attention to you, at least myself. Going to be watching you like a hawk this game so prepare to be incredibly annoyed. Pretty sure WoS is town, he has a lot of these posts early game and poking at marv early game as scum is a bad idea. If they were scum together this would be shit play because it draws attention to his scum-mate who is very adept at playing scum. If WoS was scum and marv town this would be awful because it puts WoS on marv's radar, not a place WoS would want to be as scum. He has a couple of these posts where he sticks his neck out into the thread in a dumb but not bad way. I just don't see him being scum here. It also lines up with my gut read of him as town. He seems too comfortable to be scum. moving on to LSB/Iamp | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On February 04 2014 08:25 iamperfection wrote: Way to early to be suggesting mind meld. This was really good from Imp, as a scum would you brush off a town read on yourself? Unlikely, while Imp very much would do that as town. On February 04 2014 09:49 iamperfection wrote: then i dont get why you would need to watch him like a "hawk". Unless you are just saying things for show. He goes on about this a lot, he niggles at wave in a way which I like. I believe this comes from a town mindset, he clearly isn't comfortable with something wave has done and is reading it over and over and niggling at it trying to figure out if wave is town or scum. His niggling seems genuine and his attempts to discern wave's alignment are real. On February 04 2014 10:57 iamperfection wrote: how does that make him mafia dear? Your being totally unreasonable. Also look at this post, so clam so collected so trying to get a reasonable response from his scum read. This is clearly a player trying t discern alignments and not one who knows them already. He cares about being right about DP enough to get down and dirty with him. He is still obviously town from the reread. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Conclusion: marv still town. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Argue with me bitches. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On February 06 2014 04:39 Promethelax wrote: So yeah: DP/Me/Marv/Wave/LampSB are town. Game solved. Argue with me bitches. lynch me so i can shoot you | ||
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