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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
On October 04 2014 23:48 nafta wrote: Because c9 won.It could be a super boring and awful game(like that one) and most people would still say it is a must watch. It's dishonest to ..recommend that game as a good game of league. It was worth watching as a sort of western catharsis though | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On October 04 2014 23:50 Shiznick wrote: It's dishonest to ..recommend that game as a good game of league. It was worth watching as a sort of western catharsis though Yeah i thought the same tbh, just a snowball game which was played out well, but ssb didn't really have much of a chance with their poke comp imo | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
I kind of wonder if his shotcalling is really as vital to the team as it seems. Having a player that can alternate between absolute garbage and decent doesn't seem that worthwhile. If he became Faker every now and then along with shotcalling maybe it would be more understandable. At the end of the day I think Yango is right. C9 need to stop making Hai the focus of their team and let Balls/Meteos + Sneaky be the focus. Hai can do his normal shotcalling while not trying to be the focus of their team so they don't just fall apart every 2nd game he goes full worlds Dyrus. His teammates are good enough to carry on their own so I don't get why he/they feel the need to take such huge risks with him. | ||
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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 05 2014 00:15 orzeu wrote: Thoughts after watching C9 vs Blue: Meteos is super overrated, just should never lose early game as Lee vs Rango, Hai is shit and didn't improve at all in KR. Also series looked closer, because C9 had every game team comp with mid game power spikes. It's almost like it's the strength of their team and they tried to play to it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 05 2014 00:12 Fusilero wrote: Last game he made some amazingly clutch plays on lee but besides that meteos has had a pretty underwhelming worlds on the whole Imo meteoes was playing as well as he normally does. Difference is his lanes were dictating the limit of what he could do as a jungler. Normally hai doesn't get styled on that hard, and balls rarely loses toplane in NA. Meteos's play in this series was a product of hai getting styled on. On October 05 2014 00:15 orzeu wrote: Thoughts after watching C9 vs Blue: Meteos is super overrated, just should never lose early game as Lee vs Rango, Hai is shit and didn't improve at all in KR. Also series looked closer, because C9 had every game team comp with mid game power spikes. Meteos' got fucked when they got caught at level 2 or 3 at ssb's botlane tribush near turret. He had to back right away leaving him delayed on the extralong sword and rekt his jungle camp rotation. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On October 04 2014 23:43 Fusilero wrote: To be fair G1 was jaw dropping to see heart be better at being dada than dada Better at being XiaoXiao than XiaoXiao. /lolhipster Also, I know Deft isn't known for strong laning, but nobody can deny that Sneaky came to fucking play today. I think he was ahead in laning in all 4 games? (maybe not game 3). Also don't get why people are saying he's peaking, I think the time in Korea really brought him to the next level. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On October 05 2014 01:06 BrownBear wrote: Better at being XiaoXiao than XiaoXiao. /lolhipster Also, I know Deft isn't known for strong laning, but nobody can deny that Sneaky came to fucking play today. I think he was ahead in laning in all 4 games? (maybe not game 3). Also don't get why people are saying he's peaking, I think the time in Korea really brought him to the next level. He had winning match up in every game (not sure about Graves vs Corki). Not saying that he didn't play well. On October 05 2014 00:37 Gahlo wrote: It's almost like it's the strength of their team and they tried to play to it. All I'm saying that you will looked better when you are playing mid game comp vs scaling one in mid game team fights etc. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 05 2014 01:12 orzeu wrote: He had winning match up in every game (not sure about Graves vs Corki). Not saying that he didn't play well. All I'm saying that you will looked better when you are playing mid game comp vs scaling one in mid game team fights etc. SSB's comp were midgame oriented too, it's not like they picked hyper carry late game scaling champs. C9's midgame comps were just stronger. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 05 2014 01:06 BrownBear wrote: Better at being XiaoXiao than XiaoXiao. /lolhipster Also, I know Deft isn't known for strong laning, but nobody can deny that Sneaky came to fucking play today. I think he was ahead in laning in all 4 games? (maybe not game 3). Also don't get why people are saying he's peaking, I think the time in Korea really brought him to the next level. XiaoXiao might be the OG suicidal support in China but he wishes he had the talent for random face checks and baiting himself like dada does | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 04 2014 20:56 Thinasy wrote: Full control? dont make me laugh, go rewatch the game. Hai had 100 CS less then Yasuo the entire game, they barely couldnt teamfight and they were on a timer, just because they got caught didnt mean they wouldnt get crushed later on. They tried to end because that was their only shot, so if Dade wasnt so fucking dumb the game would have ended and been considered a stomp for sure. But everyone is busy being ignorant, *the gap is closer* yeah I can see that rofl. NA & EU keep being trash please. Honestly, game 4 only really ended up as a roflstomp because they gave Dade Yasuo. Yasuo's one of those champs where Dade looks like he's doing stupid shit the whole game but somehow wins SSB the game. You can't give him those, lol. Even SSW is afraid of those. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 05 2014 01:45 Fusilero wrote: XiaoXiao might be the OG suicidal support in China but he wishes he had the talent for random face checks and baiting himself like dada does if you watched s2 worlds XiaoXiao has nothing to be jealous of, the dora the explorer term was invented to describe his performance in that tournament. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
But, just asking, was C9 generally playing well/evenish with Blue, or was it like Blue getting cocky and losing 1 game, then destroying them other 3? | ||
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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
On October 05 2014 02:10 sung_moon wrote: So I spoiled myself to the sad news. But, just asking, was C9 generally playing well/evenish with Blue, or was it like Blue getting cocky and losing 1 game, then destroying them other 3? c9 destroyed game 1, game 2, 3 was Blue slowly building up and then destroying c9. game 4 was fairly evenish, then blue started destroying and then threw hard and almost lost before winning. | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On October 05 2014 02:10 sung_moon wrote: So I spoiled myself to the sad news. But, just asking, was C9 generally playing well/evenish with Blue, or was it like Blue getting cocky and losing 1 game, then destroying them other 3? C9 could have taken the series if the rest of C9 played as well as Balls/Sneaky did, especially Sneaky, Balls was inconsistent at times. Both did their job well and even Hai's shotcalling was great, but Meteos just wasn't as impressive vs Dandy as he is against NA LCS. Still good to see the best of the West (yeah Alliance you don't get to hold that title) can compete with the best of the Koreans. I still want to see Western mids play vs Faker sometime, wanna know how the likes of Bjergsen, Froggen, Pobes, etc stack up against the best mid (and maybe player) in the world. | ||
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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
On October 05 2014 02:56 Doctorbeat wrote: C9 could have taken the series if the rest of C9 played as well as Balls/Sneaky did, especially Sneaky, Balls was inconsistent at times. Both did their job well and even Hai's shotcalling was great, but Meteos just wasn't as impressive vs Dandy as he is against NA LCS. Still good to see the best of the West (yeah Alliance you don't get to hold that title) can compete with the best of the Koreans. I think this is a poor reasoning for why C9 could have won. Balls/Sneaky have historically been big carries for C9 in the last two splits. You can't just expect players on a team to suddenly play up to the standards of their star players. Your statement would be analogous to something like, if everyone on TSM just played as well as Bjergsen, they could have beaten SSW. I know that Bjerg actually played pretty shit against White, but my point is that you can't expect the average members of the team to play to the standards of the stars of the team. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
In other words, stop playing in a way that sacrifices the development of your best player rather than letting him carry you. Hai played fine, just not well enough for games where he's playing champions that require the team to play around him and for him to have a good tempo in order to excel (which they basically drafted every game). Meteos likewise did well enough. Lomonation had that absolutely atrocious Janna game, but meh. | ||
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