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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 04 2014 11:48 GMT
#2141
Didn't watch it (7AM, no ty), how were the games?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21720 Posts
October 04 2014 11:51 GMT
#2142
On October 04 2014 20:48 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Didn't watch it (7AM, no ty), how were the games?

well worth watching
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
October 04 2014 11:56 GMT
#2143
On October 04 2014 18:21 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 18:14 Thinasy wrote:
On October 04 2014 18:09 krndandaman wrote:
On October 04 2014 18:07 Thinasy wrote:
On October 04 2014 18:06 wei2coolman wrote:
c9 shouldn't even be mad, that was glorious series.


Yeah, they were good 1 game atleast.


even the losses had a lot of great/lol moments. was a solid series for sure.

sneaky definitely deserves some respect now. dude showed up big. best adc na no doubt


I will agree that Sneaky definitely played well this entire series, but to be fair: Game 1 was a stomp for C9, game 2 and 3 were complete stomps by Blue and the last game was a stomp aswell, just because Dade is retarded enough to get caught like a bronze player doesnt actually mean C9 even remotely deserved to win that game 4. Hai was soooooo heavy that game. Hai & Acorn just kept doing stupid stuff the entire game


How was game 4 a stomp? C9 had full control of the game until they hard threw in the jungle with that 4 - 0.

Hai has such a good attitude.


Full control? dont make me laugh, go rewatch the game. Hai had 100 CS less then Yasuo the entire game, they barely couldnt teamfight and they were on a timer, just because they got caught didnt mean they wouldnt get crushed later on. They tried to end because that was their only shot, so if Dade wasnt so fucking dumb the game would have ended and been considered a stomp for sure. But everyone is busy being ignorant, *the gap is closer* yeah I can see that rofl.

NA & EU keep being trash please.
Jaedong & Faker
St3MoR
Profile Joined November 2002
Spain3256 Posts
October 04 2014 12:02 GMT
#2144
C9 put up a good fight tbh, they should come stronger next season
Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
October 04 2014 12:13 GMT
#2145
Are all games worth watching? Which ones should I definitely watch?
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 04 2014 12:27 GMT
#2146
Honestly I feel like c9 should just try to pull a fnc and put their shotcaller on a role he can focus on what he does well like support or even top.They have a full lcs season to try random shit like that and can just go back to their standart if it doesn't work out for the one after it.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
October 04 2014 12:40 GMT
#2147
On October 04 2014 21:27 nafta wrote:
Honestly I feel like c9 should just try to pull a fnc and put their shotcaller on a role he can focus on what he does well like support or even top.They have a full lcs season to try random shit like that and can just go back to their standart if it doesn't work out for the one after it.


Uh, Hai was a jungler before, but do you really consider putting him there.
+ Vulcun example is still here.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
October 04 2014 12:50 GMT
#2148
On October 04 2014 18:12 caelym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 18:10 Shiznick wrote:
On October 04 2014 18:09 Doctorbeat wrote:
Compared with S3 the Western scene cauught up a lot to KR scene.

Still a gap, but not as big as SKT roflstomping everyone.

yeah, now korea only roflstomps 2 games instead of 3.

33% improvement. those are big numbers in business.

Also C9 roflstomped in game one so overall it's a lot better.
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
October 04 2014 12:56 GMT
#2149
Just watched the vods. Great series from C9. Sneaky def a world class adc. Hai was just outmatched too hard in mid. Blue also with better teamfighting and less crucial mistakes mid and late game. Deserved win for sure.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 13:00:30
October 04 2014 12:59 GMT
#2150
On October 04 2014 21:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 21:27 nafta wrote:
Honestly I feel like c9 should just try to pull a fnc and put their shotcaller on a role he can focus on what he does well like support or even top.They have a full lcs season to try random shit like that and can just go back to their standart if it doesn't work out for the one after it.


Uh, Hai was a jungler before, but do you really consider putting him there.
+ Vulcun example is still here.

They have meteos.The vulcun example is perfect because they didn't actually swap for a good reason.I mean zuna was kept on the team for being a good shotcaller.The team vulcun and good shotcalling aren't exactly what I envision.Also they put their best player on another position.That made no sense.Balls could be a better mid laner or they could just get a good mid and send hai on support.Lomonation is kept on the team for picks and shit not so much for actual gameplay.

If you are really good you can completely ignore 2v2 and always swap and even if you have to lane support is the easiest role to learn from nothing.A player who has played since pre s1 switching to a knowledge based role should be possible.
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
October 04 2014 13:02 GMT
#2151
Hey lucian is 2-0 vs ssb, maybe u should pick lucian and win? Stats doenst lie
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 13:09:38
October 04 2014 13:04 GMT
#2152
On October 04 2014 21:13 UmberBane wrote:
Are all games worth watching? Which ones should I definitely watch?


Games 1 and 4 are the must watch ones. Games 2 and 3 if you have time.

Honestly, there isn't a good infrastructure in place in the Western scene (yet) to try and nurture/grow players for various roles. Overall, I'd say NA focuses on mid and ADC players the most, EU with mid and jungle. There's a real lack of talent in top and support in the West, and jungler can use some more depth as well.

That said, I think if we see another year of growth in NA and EU in terms of team competativeness, then in s5 Worlds we might see a Western team make it to semis, maybe even the finals if the team does well in groups (assuming Riot keeps the same tourney format for next year).
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 14:07:11
October 04 2014 14:02 GMT
#2153
On October 04 2014 22:02 skykh wrote:
Hey lucian is 2-0 vs ssb, maybe u should pick lucian and win? Stats doenst lie

Yes 2-0 stats don't lie, Balls Rumble was like 24-0 or something before ytd, guess he should've picked it every game.

Also Lucian was banned in games 2 and 3, don't remember 4 as I fell asleep.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 04 2014 14:14 GMT
#2154
On October 04 2014 21:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 21:27 nafta wrote:
Honestly I feel like c9 should just try to pull a fnc and put their shotcaller on a role he can focus on what he does well like support or even top.They have a full lcs season to try random shit like that and can just go back to their standart if it doesn't work out for the one after it.


Uh, Hai was a jungler before, but do you really consider putting him there.
+ Vulcun example is still here.

Hai jungle was beautiful though
Glorious SEA doto
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 04 2014 14:32 GMT
#2155
Man the fanboyism on Sneaky was so huge in the first game. Dude would have gotten praised for last-hitting a support 100-1'd by the rest of the team, or getting a string of crits.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 14:34:19
October 04 2014 14:33 GMT
#2156
On October 04 2014 22:04 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 21:13 UmberBane wrote:
Are all games worth watching? Which ones should I definitely watch?


Games 1 and 4 are the must watch ones. Games 2 and 3 if you have time.

Honestly, there isn't a good infrastructure in place in the Western scene (yet) to try and nurture/grow players for various roles. Overall, I'd say NA focuses on mid and ADC players the most, EU with mid and jungle. There's a real lack of talent in top and support in the West, and jungler can use some more depth as well.

That said, I think if we see another year of growth in NA and EU in terms of team competativeness, then in s5 Worlds we might see a Western team make it to semis, maybe even the finals if the team does well in groups (assuming Riot keeps the same tourney format for next year).


Infrastructure =/= soloqueue talents.
Everyone knows that most contested roles in soloqueue is mid/adc, it was always like that, in every MOBA + most toplane mains in soloqueues are those "carries", who play Rivens, Lee Sins and Fioras 24/7, ofc there is hole.

Even though.
> EU
> jungle

That's why there are 2,5 competent junglers in region and 2,5 mids as well.

> NA
> mid
That's why top-2 midlaners in NA are Dane and Chinese with noone close and i'm not sold on NA adcs either, need to see at least second Altec's season, Sneaky is on his peak already, Lift2x's peak is passed + if Piglet really gets transferred, will be fun to see how are NA marksmen are matched against him.

But anyway, if we're assuming that Worlds will have same format since this year, Korea will always have 2-3 spots in semifinals with Western teams battling with lowest Korean seed and Chinese top dogs for random bracket luck spots.

On October 04 2014 23:14 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 21:40 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:27 nafta wrote:
Honestly I feel like c9 should just try to pull a fnc and put their shotcaller on a role he can focus on what he does well like support or even top.They have a full lcs season to try random shit like that and can just go back to their standart if it doesn't work out for the one after it.


Uh, Hai was a jungler before, but do you really consider putting him there.
+ Vulcun example is still here.

Hai jungle was beautiful though


Best Amumu NA.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
October 04 2014 14:38 GMT
#2157
Lol why would you recommend game one. It was pretty much just a montage of heart getting caught. Imo game two three four were must watches.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 04 2014 14:43 GMT
#2158
To be fair G1 was jaw dropping to see heart be better at being dada than dada
Glorious SEA doto
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 04 2014 14:46 GMT
#2159
On October 04 2014 23:43 Fusilero wrote:
To be fair G1 was jaw dropping to see heart be better at being dada than dada


I just watched it and it seemed like it all snowballed from that level 1 kill then bot lane getting another kill on heart. A little disappointed that that was the game C9 won instead of some epic back and forth one.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 04 2014 14:48 GMT
#2160
On October 04 2014 23:38 Shiznick wrote:
Lol why would you recommend game one. It was pretty much just a montage of heart getting caught. Imo game two three four were must watches.

Because c9 won.It could be a super boring and awful game(like that one) and most people would still say it is a must watch.
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