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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On October 04 2014 18:22 Slusher wrote: as one of the best strategic minds in pro league Hai has to see how he holds his team back in other ways, must be painful And his shotcalling is essential to C9's strengths. He knows if he improves his personal skill they can rival the Koreans. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 04 2014 18:24 Kinie wrote: And one of his weaknesses (weak champ pool) can be fixed very quickly. All he needs to get good on is Yasuo and Orianna. That's it. Yasuo gives you teamfight and 1v5 potential, Orianna for safety and another good team fight champion. watch Dade play Yasuo, then watch Voyboy play Yasuo, considered a signature champion for both yet all the little things Dade does takes it to a completely different level. Hai is known for his hard work and dedication, I'm not really sure how he could get better at laning without going full Heart. tl;dr fixed easily is a REALLY big stretch | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Maluk
France987 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 04 2014 18:34 Maluk wrote: I think it's got to be painful for the other C9 members too to see Hai going on feeding sprees sometimes. I can only imagine how depressing it is to watch your midlaner go 1-10-1 in a competitive match while you're trying to at least hold your own and do what you can. And afterwards I would guess that there are many "what if's" stuck in the other members' heads. "What if mid had been able to hold"... I feel bad for Sneaky in particular. Don't think they feel that bad when they know he carries them in other aspects. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On October 04 2014 18:30 Slusher wrote: watch Dade play Yasuo, then watch Voyboy play Yasuo, considered a signature champion for both yet all the little things Dade does takes it to a completely different level. Hai is known for his hard work and dedication, I'm not really sure how he could get better at laning without going full Heart. tl;dr fixed easily is a REALLY big stretch He just needs to not feed with his champions and have Balls/Sneaky/Meteos carry, that's it. Yasuo has a very high skill ceiling, so maybe not the absolute best pick there from me (I'm just used to seeing Korean-level Yasuos literally 1v5 the enemy team). And I say "fixed easily" because his other weakness (poor positioning) is something that takes a LOT longer to fix. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Maluk
France987 Posts
On October 04 2014 18:34 Itsmedudeman wrote: Don't think they feel that bad when they know he carries them in other aspects. It is always said that Hai can feed because he "does the shotcalling", but if you take game 2 for example you can clearly see that he single handedly put the game out of reach for C9. From the very start up until the very end he was continuously feeding AND making terrible moves which were obviously part of his "shotcalling" plan. Edit : That being said I'm not implying that C9 should drop Hai, I just think that he was right when he put the blame on himself in his interview. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 04 2014 18:36 Fusilero wrote: I wonder if for C9's playstyle hai would be better off on orianna and champs like that instead of the assassins he's almost always playing. Idk it'd make him more stable in laning but might hurt how they like to play out the map I get the idea of using high waveclear champions to remedy the problem, but Hai stays in a lot of game gold wise by roaming once he can no longer handle the opposing mid, something that is actually pretty natural to assassins. mabye TF would be a good hero for him but being a good TF isn't just like something everyone can do, because if it was a matter of choice I'm pretty sure every mid would be a good TF | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On October 04 2014 18:40 Slusher wrote: I get the idea of using high waveclear champions to remedy the problem, but Hai stays in a lot of game gold wise by roaming once he can no longer handle the opposing mid, something that is actually pretty natural to assassins. mabye TF would be a good hero for him but being a good TF isn't just like something everyone can do, because if it was a matter of choice I'm pretty sure every mid would be a good TF TF would be a good choice, as it would complement his playstyle quite well: roams from mid to get ganks in top/bot lane, decent wave clear, can sorta split push and still be ready to do a team fight if need-be. TF is just a very boom/bust champion, as he needs items (mainly Zhonyas) to be semi-relevant in team fights. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On October 04 2014 18:40 Slusher wrote: I get the idea of using high waveclear champions to remedy the problem, but Hai stays in a lot of game gold wise by roaming once he can no longer handle the opposing mid, something that is actually pretty natural to assassins. mabye TF would be a good hero for him but being a good TF isn't just like something everyone can do, because if it was a matter of choice I'm pretty sure every mid would be a good TF It's probably just time to switch what was working for Hai before. Kennen was absolute Hai's champion, i still smhing over why doesn't he play Jayce again. And his TF, uh. Better to play Orianna. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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IMoperator
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Honestly, you probably wouldn't find a single pro player who didn't wish he was good at more champions. But with limited practice time, you have to make a choice of how many champs you want to be good at vs. how good you want to be on each one, and each team is comfortable with a particular balance in this with regard to how they draft--flexibility vs. strength in their comfort zone. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On October 04 2014 20:01 Numy wrote: Well don't know if Wickd wants to be good at more champions since he just plays Irelia all day anyway. And still, only European teams and Kabum are smart enough to ban it. Gosh, everyone says same thing about Wickd for 3 years, since his stint with Snoopeh in SK, and for 3 years, Wickd is still top-2 Western toplaner. Toplane is absolute trash for any region but Korea, same with jungle and supports. Until other regions can develop those guys, not midlaners and competent ad carries, Korea will stomp. | ||
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