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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On October 08 2014 18:34 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 03:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:One can only dream about possibilities of G1/G-Leagues winners getting seeds in Chinese Regionals, like Masters do, but meh. Until it happens, everyone will just job and WE.A will battle with YG for the championships there. On October 08 2014 03:09 xes wrote:
But what's the point of a seasonal League event if Riot can't control it? You forgot to put important + Show Spoiler + for some people here. Riot are nothing without Tencent though, so that's even more awkward that they sacrifice all historied tournaments for LCS which is heavily critisised for format. What's wrong with LCS?
It's just insanely useless 3-months span, which is culminated in 1-2 bo3 (as it was before), now, thank God, we have at least 1-2 bo5s.
Seems like, we will have something like 18 games regular season now, but it's still 9 weeks of watching useless "competition", because, of course, only 5-6 teams if we're lucky will be really competitive in fighting for 1st spot.
I don't really have a problem with lack of international competition, tbh, but if rules could give some a chance to play in other league for a season, could be okay.
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On October 08 2014 18:34 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 03:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:One can only dream about possibilities of G1/G-Leagues winners getting seeds in Chinese Regionals, like Masters do, but meh. Until it happens, everyone will just job and WE.A will battle with YG for the championships there. On October 08 2014 03:09 xes wrote:
But what's the point of a seasonal League event if Riot can't control it? You forgot to put important + Show Spoiler + for some people here. Riot are nothing without Tencent though, so that's even more awkward that they sacrifice all historied tournaments for LCS which is heavily critisised for format. What's wrong with LCS?
1. Too many meaningless games. So what if a team goes undefeated in a week -- even a superweek? LCS/LPL rewards teams for just cruising along, 3(?) months just.... spent bumming around LCS =/
2. As a team/organisation you can't not participate in the summer split of LCS/LPL and the spring split of either CS/LSPL or the LCS/LPL proper. If you have a young upstart team it's impossible to make it into Worlds even if you were possibly the best team in the region at that time, simply because you missed the signup date for NACS. =_= To me it just feels like a professional league player's options to make it big, as a professional player, are so limited =/
Also, the only way for the scene to grow in CN/NA/EU is if Tencent/Riot lets it grow, through LCS/LPL. One way and one way only; feels really suffocating.
I guess it's closer mimicry of soccer/bball leagues and honestly it's not terrible, but I prefer a Tennis-style circuit and Tennis is a perfectly fine mainstream sport so yea. And my dislike is more for League's circuit in general =/ It's very... one-track?
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Well football has automatic demotion for bottom teams, has prize money per position, top slots go into champions league and champions league qualifiers, next few spots go to Europa league and ones that failed champions league qualifiers get a shot there too. Then you have a ton more leagues below the top, you have automatic promotion for top team and then mini tournament for next slots, there are cup competitions that happen during the season too that features teams from all(most) leagues.
The only thing that LCS has in common with football leagues is that it's a league format. Everything else is completely different which is what gives the feeling of suffocation. There's no international competition that happens simultaneously like Champions league/Europa League. There's no domestic competition that happens simultaneously like FA or Carling Cup. There's just a league with 8 teams playing each other a billion times week in and week out.
If say the league didn't have so many games per week but also had seasonal cups mixed in that teams outside the league could join then maybe it would feel less useless. It'll give newer teams not in the league that are good a chance to show their promise and give much needed BoX practice to the LCS teams.
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I really feel that another issue with the LCS format is that every team plays at least 2 Bo1s against different teams every weekend. So you get teams that have only really prepared for one of their games, as well as Bo1s being so swing-y. It also removes the opportunity for teams to adapt to their opponents which I think is one of the more interesting aspects to a longer series. Teams should only play 1 team a week in a Bo3 or at least a Bo2 OGN style imo. I think it would make each game feel more important.
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They should make every week something like 4 best of 5's. ( 2 Europe/2 NA) So maybe every team plays another team 2 times in a best of 5.
At the end put the last 2 teams directly into challenger league.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On October 08 2014 23:19 TitusVI wrote:
They should make every week something like 4 best of 5's. ( 2 Europe/2 NA) So maybe every team plays another team 2 times in a best of 5.
At the end put the last 2 teams directly into challenger league.
That's some insane costs but jokes aside, considering that Riot have American sport leagues as final destination, i won't be surprised if somewhere in s6 it happens and whole LCS will be merged into 2 divisions - NA and EU.
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On October 08 2014 23:37 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 23:19 TitusVI wrote:
They should make every week something like 4 best of 5's. ( 2 Europe/2 NA) So maybe every team plays another team 2 times in a best of 5.
At the end put the last 2 teams directly into challenger league. That's some insane costs but jokes aside, considering that Riot have American sport leagues as final destination, i won't be surprised if somewhere in s6 it happens and whole LCS will be merged into 2 divisions - NA and EU.
With east cost centered playoffs. Rito pls.
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On October 08 2014 23:37 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 23:19 TitusVI wrote:
They should make every week something like 4 best of 5's. ( 2 Europe/2 NA) So maybe every team plays another team 2 times in a best of 5.
At the end put the last 2 teams directly into challenger league. That's some insane costs but jokes aside, considering that Riot have American sport leagues as final destination, i won't be surprised if somewhere in s6 it happens and whole LCS will be merged into 2 divisions - NA and EU.
Not sure why insane cost. thursday one best of 5 EU. Friday one best of 5 EU. Saturday one best of 5 NA. Sunday one best of 5 NA.
It would even cost less because you only have 2 teams to come for a day.
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They won't ever do this cause they want high viewer numbers.
Imagine if on one day there is a bo5 between the two bottom teams (in fan numbers) instead of 4 bo1 with pretty much all teams.
The numbers would be probably mediocre.
Riot first and foremost cares for the viewer numbers, one bo5 between 2 teams is probably not the best solution to have solid numbers.
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we just need more blindpick game5s
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United States47024 Posts
At least LPL didn't inherit Spring Split being 100% pointless.
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On October 08 2014 22:19 Numy wrote:
Well football has automatic demotion for bottom teams, has prize money per position, top slots go into champions league and champions league qualifiers, next few spots go to Europa league and ones that failed champions league qualifiers get a shot there too. Then you have a ton more leagues below the top, you have automatic promotion for top team and then mini tournament for next slots, there are cup competitions that happen during the season too that features teams from all(most) leagues.
The only thing that LCS has in common with football leagues is that it's a league format. Everything else is completely different which is what gives the feeling of suffocation. There's no international competition that happens simultaneously like Champions league/Europa League. There's no domestic competition that happens simultaneously like FA or Carling Cup. There's just a league with 8 teams playing each other a billion times week in and week out.
If say the league didn't have so many games per week but also had seasonal cups mixed in that teams outside the league could join then maybe it would feel less useless. It'll give newer teams not in the league that are good a chance to show their promise and give much needed BoX practice to the LCS teams.
I think we're talking about American football here which is very similar to LCS, probably because Riot is copying the NFL model for LCS. Honestly it's a terrible model because USABall is limited to Bo1s partially because the game is super rough on the players, and partially because it is so big in the USA that there are all actually federal laws around it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_Broadcasting_Act_of_1961#Overview
American football has gotten to the point where for most people it isn't even about the competition but sort of a giant cultural masturbation festival: fanatic confirmation biases as we debate who is the "better" team in a format where half the teams don't even play against each other and watch the most expensive Bo1 finals in the world. Even Basketball and Baseball are BoX series for the championship finals.
Maybe one day LoL will be the same casual eSport but it certainly isn't there right now so trying to create terribly uncompetitive hype brackets doesn't seem like the greatest starting point when eSports grew out of competitive gaming.
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On October 09 2014 02:26 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 22:19 Numy wrote:
Well football has automatic demotion for bottom teams, has prize money per position, top slots go into champions league and champions league qualifiers, next few spots go to Europa league and ones that failed champions league qualifiers get a shot there too. Then you have a ton more leagues below the top, you have automatic promotion for top team and then mini tournament for next slots, there are cup competitions that happen during the season too that features teams from all(most) leagues.
The only thing that LCS has in common with football leagues is that it's a league format. Everything else is completely different which is what gives the feeling of suffocation. There's no international competition that happens simultaneously like Champions league/Europa League. There's no domestic competition that happens simultaneously like FA or Carling Cup. There's just a league with 8 teams playing each other a billion times week in and week out.
If say the league didn't have so many games per week but also had seasonal cups mixed in that teams outside the league could join then maybe it would feel less useless. It'll give newer teams not in the league that are good a chance to show their promise and give much needed BoX practice to the LCS teams. I think we're talking about American football here which is very similar to LCS, probably because Riot is copying the NFL model for LCS. Honestly it's a terrible model because USABall is limited to Bo1s partially because the game is super rough on the players, and partially because it is so big in the USA that there are all actually federal laws around it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_Broadcasting_Act_of_1961#OverviewAmerican football has gotten to the point where for most people it isn't even about the competition but sort of a giant cultural masturbation festival: fanatic confirmation biases as we debate who is the "better" team in a format where half the teams don't even play against each other and watch the most expensive Bo1 finals in the world. Even Basketball and Baseball are BoX series for the championship finals. Maybe one day LoL will be the same casual eSport but it certainly isn't there right now so trying to create terribly uncompetitive hype brackets doesn't seem like the greatest starting point when eSports grew out of competitive gaming.
Oh I don't know anything about American Football. I always just assumed that in American sports hype and presentation mattered more than the game itself. We joke about the super bowl because we never hear anything about the actual game being played instead hear about everything else surrounding it
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That's a pretty accurate representation of NA LCS
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United States23745 Posts
On October 09 2014 02:39 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 02:26 xes wrote:On October 08 2014 22:19 Numy wrote:
Well football has automatic demotion for bottom teams, has prize money per position, top slots go into champions league and champions league qualifiers, next few spots go to Europa league and ones that failed champions league qualifiers get a shot there too. Then you have a ton more leagues below the top, you have automatic promotion for top team and then mini tournament for next slots, there are cup competitions that happen during the season too that features teams from all(most) leagues.
The only thing that LCS has in common with football leagues is that it's a league format. Everything else is completely different which is what gives the feeling of suffocation. There's no international competition that happens simultaneously like Champions league/Europa League. There's no domestic competition that happens simultaneously like FA or Carling Cup. There's just a league with 8 teams playing each other a billion times week in and week out.
If say the league didn't have so many games per week but also had seasonal cups mixed in that teams outside the league could join then maybe it would feel less useless. It'll give newer teams not in the league that are good a chance to show their promise and give much needed BoX practice to the LCS teams. I think we're talking about American football here which is very similar to LCS, probably because Riot is copying the NFL model for LCS. Honestly it's a terrible model because USABall is limited to Bo1s partially because the game is super rough on the players, and partially because it is so big in the USA that there are all actually federal laws around it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_Broadcasting_Act_of_1961#OverviewAmerican football has gotten to the point where for most people it isn't even about the competition but sort of a giant cultural masturbation festival: fanatic confirmation biases as we debate who is the "better" team in a format where half the teams don't even play against each other and watch the most expensive Bo1 finals in the world. Even Basketball and Baseball are BoX series for the championship finals. Maybe one day LoL will be the same casual eSport but it certainly isn't there right now so trying to create terribly uncompetitive hype brackets doesn't seem like the greatest starting point when eSports grew out of competitive gaming. Oh I don't know anything about American Football. I always just assumed that in American sports hype and presentation mattered more than the game itself. We joke about the super bowl because we never hear anything about the actual game being played instead hear about everything else surrounding it
The hype and presentation bring in a lot of casual viewers, but there are still a lot of fans that actually care about the game itself.
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On October 08 2014 21:18 IAttackYou wrote:
Thomas Watts mentioned on Into the Rift how Riot is very protective of their LCS teams last season, refusing to put together any kind of international competition (like prohibiting exhibition games that some people wanted to put together). Really sad if this is true which most likely is.
People keep forgetting that this is not exclusive to LCS - Riot prohibited L.ACE from organizing tournaments between Chinese and Korean teams.
http://www.paravine.com/2014/05/l-ace-chairman-styzs-lift-competitive-ban-highly-possible-mastermind-apprehended/ - Took me two months to find this link :D
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United States47024 Posts
China's solution to not getting to play tournaments against Korean teams is to import Korean players onto their teams so they can still play tournaments against Koreans.
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On October 09 2014 09:55 TheYango wrote:
China's solution to not getting to play tournaments against Korean teams is to import Korean players onto their teams so they can still play tournaments against Koreans.
If China can pay more than Kespa, well bad for Kespa
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United States37500 Posts
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