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Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
March 14 2014 20:07 GMT
#1521
On March 15 2014 05:05 TitusVI wrote:
At the end it is blizzards fault that asians are so good in esports.


Because they made good games in the last century?
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
March 14 2014 20:07 GMT
#1522
Are they going give korea/china 2 spots again for worlds ot what?
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 20:09:20
March 14 2014 20:07 GMT
#1523
On March 15 2014 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 05:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:00 UmberBane wrote:
... so that one game singlehandedly made the former "joke region" SEA on par with the rest of Asia in people's eyes?


FWIW I've always felt the average skill of the top 3-4 teams of SEA is stronger than the average skill of the the top 3-4 teams in NA and EU LCS. They're also more creative with picks and unorthodox movements.

They have a tendency to do very risky manuevers for relatively little gain, but when they're ahead, they are very good at aggressively forcing the advantage. Their individual skill level is also very high.

Then you are crazy.


I mean you've already proven yourself to be totally incapable of seeing beyond the results of the most recent game + LCS fanboyism, so I don't know why you're even posting, literally no one on this forum takes your opinions seriously.

That's because there are only a few times where I've ever been serious. I'm an LCS fanboy? 80% of the games I watch are OGN. You have nothing to back up your claim besides the game that was just played and I'm the one who only sees recent results? You've gotta be fucking kidding me. The few times SEA has entered international tournaments over the last year it's been one sided stompings. At least NA and EU have gotten respectable international results over the past year.

Your defense for SEA is that the good teams ended up choking against a terrible team.
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
March 14 2014 20:08 GMT
#1524
On March 15 2014 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 05:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:00 UmberBane wrote:
... so that one game singlehandedly made the former "joke region" SEA on par with the rest of Asia in people's eyes?


FWIW I've always felt the average skill of the top 3-4 teams of SEA is stronger than the average skill of the the top 3-4 teams in NA and EU LCS. They're also more creative with picks and unorthodox movements.

They have a tendency to do very risky manuevers for relatively little gain, but when they're ahead, they are very good at aggressively forcing the advantage. Their individual skill level is also very high.

Then you are crazy.


I mean you've already proven yourself to be totally incapable of seeing beyond the results of the most recent game + LCS fanboyism, so I don't know why you're even posting, literally no one on this forum takes your opinions seriously.



But but but..... USA No1! amirite?

I doubt people who chant USA against any foreign team is capable of thinking any differently. The mental gymnatics NA fans try to justify TSM, C9 on a 'good' day will take a game off SKT are impressive.
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
March 14 2014 20:08 GMT
#1525
--- Nuked ---
ManBaker
Profile Joined September 2013
1943 Posts
March 14 2014 20:08 GMT
#1526
On March 15 2014 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 05:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:00 UmberBane wrote:
... so that one game singlehandedly made the former "joke region" SEA on par with the rest of Asia in people's eyes?


FWIW I've always felt the average skill of the top 3-4 teams of SEA is stronger than the average skill of the the top 3-4 teams in NA and EU LCS. They're also more creative with picks and unorthodox movements.

They have a tendency to do very risky manuevers for relatively little gain, but when they're ahead, they are very good at aggressively forcing the advantage. Their individual skill level is also very high.

Then you are crazy.


I mean you've already proven yourself to be totally incapable of seeing beyond the results of the most recent game + LCS fanboyism, so I don't know why you're even posting, literally no one on this forum takes your opinions seriously.


But they take yours? lol.

You say that the top 3-4 teams of SEA are better than EU or NA and yet you most likely don't even know the NAMES of the players let alone actually watching them.

It's just the usual hipster glory hunting of "look at me, i told you guys this underdog region was totally strong, i knew it, look at me please"
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
March 14 2014 20:09 GMT
#1527
On March 15 2014 05:08 krndandaman wrote:
lol twitch chat is relentlessly mean to froggen


Twitch:
cygnusfiend: Froggen sounds like he's gargling 20 dicks in his mouth all at one time
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9165 Posts
March 14 2014 20:09 GMT
#1528
On March 15 2014 05:07 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:00 UmberBane wrote:
... so that one game singlehandedly made the former "joke region" SEA on par with the rest of Asia in people's eyes?


FWIW I've always felt the average skill of the top 3-4 teams of SEA is stronger than the average skill of the the top 3-4 teams in NA and EU LCS. They're also more creative with picks and unorthodox movements.

They have a tendency to do very risky manuevers for relatively little gain, but when they're ahead, they are very good at aggressively forcing the advantage. Their individual skill level is also very high.

Then you are crazy.


I mean you've already proven yourself to be totally incapable of seeing beyond the results of the most recent game + LCS fanboyism, so I don't know why you're even posting, literally no one on this forum takes your opinions seriously.

That's because there are only a few times where I've ever been serious. You have nothing to back up your claim besides the game that was just played and I'm the one who only sees recent results? You've gotta be fucking kidding me. The few times SEA has entered international tournaments over the last year it's been one sided stompings. At least NA and EU have gotten respectable international results over the past year.

You're failing to make the distinction between Taiwan and the rest of SEA. The only reason Mineski were at Worlds for example is because because they don't allow 2 Taiwanese teams to go
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
March 14 2014 20:09 GMT
#1529
On March 15 2014 05:08 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:00 UmberBane wrote:
... so that one game singlehandedly made the former "joke region" SEA on par with the rest of Asia in people's eyes?


FWIW I've always felt the average skill of the top 3-4 teams of SEA is stronger than the average skill of the the top 3-4 teams in NA and EU LCS. They're also more creative with picks and unorthodox movements.

They have a tendency to do very risky manuevers for relatively little gain, but when they're ahead, they are very good at aggressively forcing the advantage. Their individual skill level is also very high.

Then you are crazy.


I mean you've already proven yourself to be totally incapable of seeing beyond the results of the most recent game + LCS fanboyism, so I don't know why you're even posting, literally no one on this forum takes your opinions seriously.



But but but..... USA No1! amirite?

I doubt people who chant USA against any foreign team is capable of thinking any differently. The mental gymnatics NA fans try to justify TSM, C9 on a 'good' day will take a game off SKT are impressive.


Wth are gymnatics?

I would be willing to bet a number of those doing USA chants are doing so facetiously, see Stephano USA chants or Polt USA chants, etc.
In Inca we trust
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22069 Posts
March 14 2014 20:11 GMT
#1530
On March 15 2014 05:09 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 05:08 krndandaman wrote:
lol twitch chat is relentlessly mean to froggen


Twitch:
cygnusfiend: Froggen sounds like he's gargling 20 dicks in his mouth all at one time

Bit harsh but its my gripe with Froggen being there as an analyst. The guy just isn't articulate enough for the job.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 14 2014 20:12 GMT
#1531
Oh man, Gambit got rocked so hard by TPA. lol. EU such strong scene cuz close games right?
TAIWANESE BRETHREN ARE BACK BEBBBYYY
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35166 Posts
March 14 2014 20:12 GMT
#1532
On March 15 2014 05:09 las91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 05:08 ParadeofMadness wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:00 UmberBane wrote:
... so that one game singlehandedly made the former "joke region" SEA on par with the rest of Asia in people's eyes?


FWIW I've always felt the average skill of the top 3-4 teams of SEA is stronger than the average skill of the the top 3-4 teams in NA and EU LCS. They're also more creative with picks and unorthodox movements.

They have a tendency to do very risky manuevers for relatively little gain, but when they're ahead, they are very good at aggressively forcing the advantage. Their individual skill level is also very high.

Then you are crazy.


I mean you've already proven yourself to be totally incapable of seeing beyond the results of the most recent game + LCS fanboyism, so I don't know why you're even posting, literally no one on this forum takes your opinions seriously.



But but but..... USA No1! amirite?

I doubt people who chant USA against any foreign team is capable of thinking any differently. The mental gymnatics NA fans try to justify TSM, C9 on a 'good' day will take a game off SKT are impressive.


Wth are gymnatics?

I would be willing to bet a number of those doing USA chants are doing so facetiously, see Stephano USA chants or Polt USA chants, etc.

Can confirm.
orzeu
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland5205 Posts
March 14 2014 20:12 GMT
#1533
WE always have the best jackets.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
March 14 2014 20:13 GMT
#1534
Deman always so mean to Deficio.
Off-season = best season
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 14 2014 20:13 GMT
#1535
On March 15 2014 05:12 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 05:09 las91 wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:08 ParadeofMadness wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:00 UmberBane wrote:
... so that one game singlehandedly made the former "joke region" SEA on par with the rest of Asia in people's eyes?


FWIW I've always felt the average skill of the top 3-4 teams of SEA is stronger than the average skill of the the top 3-4 teams in NA and EU LCS. They're also more creative with picks and unorthodox movements.

They have a tendency to do very risky manuevers for relatively little gain, but when they're ahead, they are very good at aggressively forcing the advantage. Their individual skill level is also very high.

Then you are crazy.


I mean you've already proven yourself to be totally incapable of seeing beyond the results of the most recent game + LCS fanboyism, so I don't know why you're even posting, literally no one on this forum takes your opinions seriously.



But but but..... USA No1! amirite?

I doubt people who chant USA against any foreign team is capable of thinking any differently. The mental gymnatics NA fans try to justify TSM, C9 on a 'good' day will take a game off SKT are impressive.


Wth are gymnatics?

I would be willing to bet a number of those doing USA chants are doing so facetiously, see Stephano USA chants or Polt USA chants, etc.

Can confirm.

most USA chants are pretty much sarcastic.
liftlift > tsm
sataNik[pG]
Profile Joined July 2003
Greece722 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 20:18:44
March 14 2014 20:14 GMT
#1536
On March 15 2014 04:53 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 04:47 sataNik[pG] wrote:
On March 15 2014 04:43 xes wrote:
On March 15 2014 01:07 sataNik[pG] wrote:
Chinese getting what they deserve for taking needless risks, they could really use some EU wisdom of how to safely close games.


On March 15 2014 01:34 sataNik[pG] wrote:

I think you might find that one analyzing something the two are fairly closely tied together


Not always the case, you could compare the best chess player atm at bullet ICC who is a prodigy at tactics and puzzles at 17 years old but lacks the strategy -yet- to be considered a strong GM at normal time chess to a veteran who is slow in calculating but has experience in every possible position.

IG displayed amazing tactical skill and mechanics in battle but immaturity in decision making. A typical eu team is more or less the opposite.

Its important to note that the first is much more important because the start of the game doesnt involve much decision making, thus if you get crushed in lanes you will be unable to use your strategical sense.[/
QUOTE]

DONT TRY SO HARD TO BE A SMARTASS, YOU CANT CLOSE A GAME THAT YOU DID NOT OPEN



I saw a lot of great amazing EU wisdom and decision making during that hour and a half Mill/Fnatic game earlier. Never have I seen such masters of Summoners Rift so deftly jab, weave and feint in an elegant waltz towards the end.


Mill is the dead last team actually sux in decision making (ara in particular is well known retard and i hope you remember how kev1n threw the SK spot last summer). Fnatic (even though they are on a huge slump and cant coordinate at all -being 2-10 at the last 12 games says a lot-) actually played pretty smart under the circumstances.

That being said, i was never a fan of playing sissy style and i was constantly bashing the passive-do-nothing style that lemondogs started.

Also, i dont think that what we see is or can be indicative of a region's strength. 2 reasons for this:
1. Nerves on first game (i know from personal experience how hard you can choke on high stakes)
However i didnt expect gambit to play so sh1t cuz they seemed immune to this in the past.
2. BO1 format doesnt offer much room for a team to get their sh1t together and comeback.

To sum up all eu teams got crushed so hard in lane phase, that any talk about strategy and wisdom is ridiculous.

In IG vs KTB however it was obvious to everyone that even though they were crushing in fights they went full NA baron throw twice. It was actually very amusing to see that they were fighting so good that 1 baron throw wasnt enough so they went baron again to seal the deal.
Such strategy, much amazed.

actually, come to think of it, it was more arrogance than lack of strategy.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
March 14 2014 20:14 GMT
#1537
Meaty-o's looks weird without super saiyan hair
Platinum Support GOD
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 14 2014 20:14 GMT
#1538
On March 15 2014 05:09 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 05:07 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On March 15 2014 05:00 UmberBane wrote:
... so that one game singlehandedly made the former "joke region" SEA on par with the rest of Asia in people's eyes?


FWIW I've always felt the average skill of the top 3-4 teams of SEA is stronger than the average skill of the the top 3-4 teams in NA and EU LCS. They're also more creative with picks and unorthodox movements.

They have a tendency to do very risky manuevers for relatively little gain, but when they're ahead, they are very good at aggressively forcing the advantage. Their individual skill level is also very high.

Then you are crazy.


I mean you've already proven yourself to be totally incapable of seeing beyond the results of the most recent game + LCS fanboyism, so I don't know why you're even posting, literally no one on this forum takes your opinions seriously.

That's because there are only a few times where I've ever been serious. You have nothing to back up your claim besides the game that was just played and I'm the one who only sees recent results? You've gotta be fucking kidding me. The few times SEA has entered international tournaments over the last year it's been one sided stompings. At least NA and EU have gotten respectable international results over the past year.

You're failing to make the distinction between Taiwan and the rest of SEA. The only reason Mineski were at Worlds for example is because because they don't allow 2 Taiwanese teams to go

they really got shafted by the volatile qualifiers and having only one tw spot, and then a bo3 against skt who not many people knew to be godlike.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35166 Posts
March 14 2014 20:14 GMT
#1539
Meteos isn't even ssj1 anymore, gg.
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
March 14 2014 20:14 GMT
#1540
Somehow I'm hyped to see c9 finally playing another international game. The short worlds games weren't that satisfying. and they are actually a good team.
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