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TitusVI
Germany8319 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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niukasu1990
1007 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:42 ParadeofMadness wrote: By far, IG is only bottom two of the Chinese scene, while WE is top 2..... Actually not, most chinese rate OMG EDG and LGD as top 3. WE only match easy opponents earlier | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
Highly likely. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:44 Lylat wrote: TBH seeing the current state of EU LCS I think the best NA teams (TSM, C9 +/- CLG) look better than EU teams Have to agree, not sure about CLG though | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:43 xes wrote: Honestly, from S3 I remember China's problem was that they had really crap decisionmaking and map control. They farmed really well, destroyed lane, but played very aggressive and took/forced fights, even if they were disadvantageous. If they won one or two fights in a row, they snowballed really hard but if they didn't they farmed back, took fights and either strung together a couple won fights and snowballed, or just rinsed repeat, fell behind and lost. Against mass pink wards by SKT they were pretty screwed. It was kind of like watching MKP play. Great micro and macro, but he'd run into perfectly placed psi storms and colossi and try to bludgeon his opponent to death. Spoiler alert: it didn't work. | ||
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Azelja
Japan762 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:46 niukasu1990 wrote: Actually not, most chinese rate OMG EDG and LGD as top 3. WE only match easy opponents earlier Yango heartily endorses the top three LGD | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:46 niukasu1990 wrote: Actually not, most chinese rate OMG EDG and LGD as top 3. WE only match easy opponents earlier I think WE is good : < I think that LGD series was Ruo throwing very hard and doing very stupid things, and I think WE is better than LGD overall. However, on a WE off da and LGD good day, sure, WE can fall out of top 3, but it's not some clear distinction. I think it's better to think of LPL as top 4 vs bottom 4 instead of top 3 vs bottom 5 in terms of where the skill gap occurs. | ||
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sataNik[pG]
Greece722 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:43 xes wrote: On March 15 2014 01:34 sataNik[pG] wrote: I think you might find that one analyzing something the two are fairly closely tied together Not always the case, you could compare the best chess player atm at bullet ICC who is a prodigy at tactics and puzzles at 17 years old but lacks the strategy -yet- to be considered a strong GM at normal time chess to a veteran who is slow in calculating but has experience in every possible position. IG displayed amazing tactical skill and mechanics in battle but immaturity in decision making. A typical eu team is more or less the opposite. Its important to note that the first is much more important because the start of the game doesnt involve much decision making, thus if you get crushed in lanes you will be unable to use your strategical sense.[/QUOTE] DONT TRY SO HARD TO BE A SMARTASS, YOU CANT CLOSE A GAME THAT YOU DID NOT OPEN | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Think he would be mad that LGD isn't Top 1. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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skykh
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
Yango fanboys but he's realistic. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:42 Numy wrote: I wonder if the LCS is not perhaps hurting the skill level of teams? Never before has every single team in EU looked so bad and even in NA the top team(s) don't look as good as last season. Is it just the period of the year or something more? Well, the state of C9 is pretty much like how SKTK will turn out. You can be the best team in a region, but you shouldn't be able to just walk over it for an extended period of time. TSM and CLG have only gotten better. XDG were royally fucked by management and are now in damage control mode. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:48 oneofthem wrote: ig is just brainded from midgame on. they seem to have strong laning still and zzitai is really form dependent. WE from what i've seen are way better than ig macro wise but not stronger in lane. at least when zzitai isnt drunk Conan is weak and Ruo is atrocious, but Sukim is very strong and Caomei is still fine. Wx is Wx. Underperforms sometimes but very consistent overall. Lower highs than he used to have though. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:46 ticklishmusic wrote: Honestly, from S3 I remember China's problem was that they had really crap decisionmaking and map control. They farmed really well, destroyed lane, but played very aggressive and took/forced fights, even if they were disadvantageous. If they won one or two fights in a row, they snowballed really hard but if they didn't they farmed back, took fights and either strung together a couple won fights and snowballed, or just rinsed repeat, fell behind and lost. Against mass pink wards by SKT they were pretty screwed. Them being a patch behind also may give a slight handicap ... On another note, I love how you can play two Asian vs Eu games and have time to spare in the time it took Mill vs Fnatic. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:48 Gahlo wrote: Well, the state of C9 is pretty much like how SKTK will turn out. You can be the best team in a region, but you shouldn't be able to just walk over it for an extended period of time. TSM and CLG have only gotten better. XDG were royally fucked by management and are now in damage control mode. More like they were lazy fukers and didn't do shit after Worlds. | ||
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niukasu1990
1007 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:47 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I think WE is good : < I think that LGD series was Ruo throwing very hard and doing very stupid things, and I think WE is better than LGD overall. However, on a WE off da and LGD good day, sure, WE can fall out of top 3, but it's not some clear distinction. I think it's better to think of LPL as top 4 vs bottom 4 instead of top 3 vs bottom 5 in terms of where the skill gap occurs. Honestly, I think the individual skill of LGD is very high, and according to Gogoing, WE.A can also be considered one of the best team in China. There is an anecdote that WE.A mid Xiye refuse to join WE since he think WE.A is way better | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On March 15 2014 04:47 sataNik[pG] wrote: Not always the case, you could compare the best chess player atm at bullet ICC who is a prodigy at tactics and puzzles at 17 years old but lacks the strategy -yet- to be considered a strong GM at normal time chess to a veteran who is slow in calculating but has experience in every possible position. IG displayed amazing tactical skill and mechanics in battle but immaturity in decision making. A typical eu team is more or less the opposite. Its important to note that the first is much more important because the start of the game doesnt involve much decision making, thus if you get crushed in lanes you will be unable to use your strategical sense.[/QUOTE] DONT TRY SO HARD TO BE A SMARTASS, YOU CANT CLOSE A GAME THAT YOU DID NOT OPEN I saw a lot of great amazing EU wisdom and decision making during that hour and a half Mill/Fnatic game earlier. Never have I seen such masters of Summoners Rift so deftly jab, weave and feint in an elegant waltz towards the end. | ||
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