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On June 02 2012 16:16 schmutttt wrote:
I just wish it wasn't true damage. True damage nuke on a CD that refreshes on kill, I hate how Riot intentionally make OP champs because they are so fucking greedy.
zzzz i hate how people say that 'cause it's completely untrue. we get stuff like varus, sejuani, ziggs which definitely aren't OP and maybe even UP.
honestly, I don't think Darius's ult being true damage refreshing is the problem. It's just the crazy scaling on it imo.
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On June 02 2012 16:10 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 15:32 Mogwai wrote:
next patch probably kills him depending on the numbers decrease on his passive. Darius is too binary with his current ranged and CDs for them to just be hitting damage numbers IMO. what about the damage on his ulti? it seems a little too high imo.
It got nerfed a ton with the .5s refresh taken away. It used to be you could ult+bleed tick+q or something to refresh. Now the last two are taken away and you have to last hit champs with just ult (which means you're also wasting some damage to overkill). That could be as much as a couple hundred health lower they have to be if you want to refresh ult CD.
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it seems pretty fair imo. the way I see it is like Garen's ult, but it's true damage and refreshed if it lands a killing blow. as it stands it's just a busted ult right now.
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You skill order is really strange, why using ulti first, since his couldown is reseted if you kill someone with it ?
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On June 03 2012 01:31 Sakray wrote:
You skill order is really strange, why using ulti first, since his couldown is reseted if you kill someone with it ?
Skill order usually means the order in which you level up your skills, not the order in which you use 'em.
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The nerf to the passive is the one I'm interested in. Multidunks aren't as central to his gameplay as bullying with his passive in lane.
On June 03 2012 01:31 Sakray wrote:
You skill order is really strange, why using ulti first, since his couldown is reseted if you kill someone with it ?
skill order = order you level your skills, not the order you use your skills.
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I've found that riven counters him strongly in lane, you can dash away after last hitting and use your shield to tank the DoT. You can also trade effectively with him if you dash away because he can't grab back (the dash distance is a /little/ shorter than his grab range, but dash distance+AA distance is longer). Once you hit 6 as riven it's 100% a kill lane as darius cannot win trades when you're using your ulti.
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On June 04 2012 14:48 drazak wrote:
I've found that riven counters him strongly in lane, you can dash away after last hitting and use your shield to tank the DoT. You can also trade effectively with him if you dash away because he can't grab back (the dash distance is a /little/ shorter than his grab range, but dash distance+AA distance is longer). Once you hit 6 as riven it's 100% a kill lane as darius cannot win trades when you're using your ulti.
yea man, people keep telling me shit like riven and jax beat darius, and I keep dunking on them. there's a reason my elo shot up 150 points since this character's been out and it's because I've stomped pretty much every lane in the nuts. riven and jax are popular picks right now and I'm trashing them, I just don't buy it unless rivens and jaxes at 2-2.1K are trash.
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Don't know if this has been stated but those saying to bait his ulti with Zhonyas, Kayle ulti etc. If he uses his ulti on a target that goes immune the cooldown does refresh, the only item that prevents refresh is if they die with a GA active. Other than that his ulti is a big F U when you think you juked it with zhonyas and come out to find it go off again ._.
On June 04 2012 15:12 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 14:48 drazak wrote:
I've found that riven counters him strongly in lane, you can dash away after last hitting and use your shield to tank the DoT. You can also trade effectively with him if you dash away because he can't grab back (the dash distance is a /little/ shorter than his grab range, but dash distance+AA distance is longer). Once you hit 6 as riven it's 100% a kill lane as darius cannot win trades when you're using your ulti. yea man, people keep telling me shit like riven and jax beat darius, and I keep dunking on them. there's a reason my elo shot up 150 points since this character's been out and it's because I've stomped pretty much every lane in the nuts. riven and jax are popular picks right now and I'm trashing them, I just don't buy it unless rivens and jaxes at 2-2.1K are trash.
Riven counters him up to level 5 mainly because her Q damage and passive, but once a darius hits 5 and gets level 3 Q he greatly out damages her in trades and the lane becomes a free win for Darius.
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On June 04 2012 15:12 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 14:48 drazak wrote:
I've found that riven counters him strongly in lane, you can dash away after last hitting and use your shield to tank the DoT. You can also trade effectively with him if you dash away because he can't grab back (the dash distance is a /little/ shorter than his grab range, but dash distance+AA distance is longer). Once you hit 6 as riven it's 100% a kill lane as darius cannot win trades when you're using your ulti. yea man, people keep telling me shit like riven and jax beat darius, and I keep dunking on them. there's a reason my elo shot up 150 points since this character's been out and it's because I've stomped pretty much every lane in the nuts. riven and jax are popular picks right now and I'm trashing them, I just don't buy it unless rivens and jaxes at 2-2.1K are trash.
Another thing to note is that Riven helps a lot with ganks, which from what I have seen are the bane of Darius.
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On May 30 2012 19:30 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 15:32 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: On May 28 2012 14:47 Requizen wrote:
Fiora has murdered the hell out of every Darius I've seen. Neat. I could see this happening. you're both duking it out 1v1 And as soon as the ult indicator appears over fiora (whenever an opponent darius is fighting gets low enough that his ult would kill them an indicator appears over their champion) she just ults and becomes untargetable and kills darius. Eh, having played darius I haven't seen this indicator. All I've seen is the indicator for the passive dot.
I just went o customs and tested it for 20 mins. No indicator. Unless u mean one hemo stack = kill, which is apprently what's happening -_-
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When there's 5 emo stacks, a bleeding silhouette appears atop the champ's model, but it's not related to the killrange apparently.
Edit: also, Kayle's ult shouldn't stop Darius' and refresh its cd, it only makes you take no damage.
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On June 04 2012 16:43 Alaric wrote:
When there's 5 emo stacks, a bleeding silhouette appears atop the champ's model, but it's not related to the killrange apparently.
Edit: also, Kayle's ult shouldn't stop Darius' and refresh its cd, it only makes you take no damage.
To clarify. Kayle's ult should stop Darius.
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On June 04 2012 16:09 Phtes wrote:Don't know if this has been stated but those saying to bait his ulti with Zhonyas, Kayle ulti etc. If he uses his ulti on a target that goes immune the cooldown does refresh, the only item that prevents refresh is if they die with a GA active. Other than that his ulti is a big F U when you think you juked it with zhonyas and come out to find it go off again ._. Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 15:12 Mogwai wrote:On June 04 2012 14:48 drazak wrote:
I've found that riven counters him strongly in lane, you can dash away after last hitting and use your shield to tank the DoT. You can also trade effectively with him if you dash away because he can't grab back (the dash distance is a /little/ shorter than his grab range, but dash distance+AA distance is longer). Once you hit 6 as riven it's 100% a kill lane as darius cannot win trades when you're using your ulti. yea man, people keep telling me shit like riven and jax beat darius, and I keep dunking on them. there's a reason my elo shot up 150 points since this character's been out and it's because I've stomped pretty much every lane in the nuts. riven and jax are popular picks right now and I'm trashing them, I just don't buy it unless rivens and jaxes at 2-2.1K are trash. Riven counters him up to level 5 mainly because her Q damage and passive, but once a darius hits 5 and gets level 3 Q he greatly out damages her in trades and the lane becomes a free win for Darius.
Why do people keep trying to tell me things like this? I'm telling you, Riven does not out damage Darius alone at any point in laning. No one's been able to trade with me as Darius, they either have the harass to chip me away before engaging or they get dunked. Completely binary.
And yea, sure, getting ganked as Darius sucks, but Darius supports ganks insanely well too. 550 range pull and a slow on ~3 second CD on top of nutty damage output... it's not like Riven's so much better at supporting ganks. Either one of them can roll the lane by supporting a jungler's ganks, but left to their own devices Darius goes in hard on Riven in my experience.
On June 04 2012 16:43 Alaric wrote:
When there's 5 emo stacks, a bleeding silhouette appears atop the champ's model, but it's not related to the killrange apparently.
Edit: also, Kayle's ult shouldn't stop Darius' and refresh its cd, it only makes you take no damage.
yea, @ 5 stacks, you get a neato little indicator above their head, but that doesn't indicate that they'll necessarily die from your ult.
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On June 05 2012 00:10 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 16:09 Phtes wrote:Don't know if this has been stated but those saying to bait his ulti with Zhonyas, Kayle ulti etc. If he uses his ulti on a target that goes immune the cooldown does refresh, the only item that prevents refresh is if they die with a GA active. Other than that his ulti is a big F U when you think you juked it with zhonyas and come out to find it go off again ._. On June 04 2012 15:12 Mogwai wrote:On June 04 2012 14:48 drazak wrote:
I've found that riven counters him strongly in lane, you can dash away after last hitting and use your shield to tank the DoT. You can also trade effectively with him if you dash away because he can't grab back (the dash distance is a /little/ shorter than his grab range, but dash distance+AA distance is longer). Once you hit 6 as riven it's 100% a kill lane as darius cannot win trades when you're using your ulti. yea man, people keep telling me shit like riven and jax beat darius, and I keep dunking on them. there's a reason my elo shot up 150 points since this character's been out and it's because I've stomped pretty much every lane in the nuts. riven and jax are popular picks right now and I'm trashing them, I just don't buy it unless rivens and jaxes at 2-2.1K are trash. Riven counters him up to level 5 mainly because her Q damage and passive, but once a darius hits 5 and gets level 3 Q he greatly out damages her in trades and the lane becomes a free win for Darius. Why do people keep trying to tell me things like this? I'm telling you, Riven does not out damage Darius alone at any point in laning. No one's been able to trade with me as Darius, they either have the harass to chip me away before engaging or they get dunked. Completely binary. And yea, sure, getting ganked as Darius sucks, but Darius supports ganks insanely well too. 550 range pull and a slow on ~3 second CD on top of nutty damage output... it's not like Riven's so much better at supporting ganks. Either one of them can roll the lane by supporting a jungler's ganks, but left to their own devices Darius goes in hard on Riven in my experience. Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 16:43 Alaric wrote:
When there's 5 emo stacks, a bleeding silhouette appears atop the champ's model, but it's not related to the killrange apparently.
Edit: also, Kayle's ult shouldn't stop Darius' and refresh its cd, it only makes you take no damage. yea, @ 5 stacks, you get a neato little indicator above their head, but that doesn't indicate that they'll necessarily die from your ult.
Not necessarily, but who are we kidding. They probably will ;D
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yea, and if they don't, chances are the next 5 ticks of your passive + ignite will kill them even if they get away with like 400 HP.
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I agree with your build - it is similar to what me and Darien are using on him atm, but I have to disagree with wriggles. I just don't feel that he needs to waste 1500 gold on some puny armor, damage and sustain. The gold made to get wriggles is much better spent getting a phage to be more tanky, have more damage and get you more kills than wriggle
Your goal in lane is to kill that opposing motherfucker and then push his tower and get objectives with your team, not passively farm top lane while the rest of the team 4v4s the other team, you are supposed to roam mid and bot and kills everybody IMO
I just don't feel that it's worth the gold.
(My build usually consists of boots, HoG, Hexdrinker and a Phage later turns into trinity or Mallet depending on how well I'm doing))
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wriggle's is good gold value. I'm leaning on it less and less as I get more comfortable with Darius, but it still has its place in certain lanes IMO.
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What lanes? In what lanes do you prefer sustain and armor over health and a slow.. I can think of maybe one, Jax. But then I'd still probably just try the more all in build and try and kill him
Malphite too, I guess? But I think Malphite cockblocks you so hard even with sustain that you are forced to roam anyway
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vs. Riven for instance. lanes where the additional armor and lifesteal let you win straight up auto-attack trades that you would otherwise lose.
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