EPT[Champion] Darius - Page 6
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 05 2012 02:15 OutlaW- wrote: I am pretty sure that riven wins trades as long as she can unleash her combo and then get the fuck out, but Darius will win if he manages to prolong the trade. I think it works a little like Jax, she has to jump at you (or you just Q and run), do her combo, and when she tries to run away because her shit is on cooldown, you pull her back and she either has to stay and fight to the death or take free damage. I don't think Riven would win auto-attack trades against a Darius, because he has 1/3 of her cooldowns. But I guess this is just theory, for some reason I haven't actually faced a Riven yet. once she gets her ult, you have trouble winning trades vs. her without having the sort of stats that wriggle's gives you. I don't have problems trading with Riven, but I'm typically going tabi -> 1-2 dblades -> wriggle's -> phage, which is pretty much spending your money as efficiently as possible on the stats you need to compete with Riven's damage output. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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bobbob
United States368 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:33 bobbob wrote: Thoughts on movespeed quints instead of armor quints? Seems like Darius has some problems midgame/lategame getting into range, gets kited a bit easily, but when they get close they get demolished. i rarely think that the extra ms from quints would be the difference between dunking and not dunking lategame. it might just be a style thing, but I prefer the resists for laning. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
didn't go so well for him | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
I've seen your other guide and I recognize you as a talented player, and this Darius viewpoint also matches how I feel about him perfectly. He's just ridiculous right now. I fail to see how this small nerf will really balance him out. He's too tanky for the damage he deals out, and his Ult should not be fully refreshed, grace period or no grace period. I really expect Riot to nerf him more in the upcoming patches....but I'm having too much fun owning it up with him that I'm inclined to get him. | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Constant shield and heal to counter act bleed harass damage, safe ranged csing ability, hell he even has the ability to prevent a Darius ult refresh on others by ulting. Thoughts? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 06 2012 16:53 WaveofShadow wrote: What are people's thoughts on Darius being countered (or at least not allowed to snowball in lane) by Shen? Constant shield and heal to counter act bleed harass damage, safe ranged csing ability, hell he even has the ability to prevent a Darius ult refresh on others by ulting. Thoughts? buwahahahahahahahahahaha oh man, you guys are too funny on these forums. | ||
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Soloside
United States1238 Posts
early game was painful, but once I got some items, could just kill malphite straight up. Darius fun. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:06 Mogwai wrote: buwahahahahahahahahahaha oh man, you guys are too funny on these forums. you don't have to be a dick waveofshadow is a nice poster with a genuine question as for my input, i agree with you wave darius should never be able to kill shen because of shen's dash at the very least at the worst i see this as a freefarm lane otherwise shen can build some early armor and still do a ton of damage to darius the only hard part is, with the frequency these guys are banned, seeing either yet alone both in the same game  | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
As for fighting him, you underestimate his passive's damage, and since you'll keep your shield at level 1 while he maxes his b'n'b Q which (? not sure of the word) mana cost doesn't go up, it loses value from level 3. If you try to engage him, if he loses he'll W you and use the slow + his passive's bonus MS to disengage (if you don't taunt-engage he'll just run away while Qing you with the blade), if he wins he'll have the slow + his E to pull you back if you try to dash away. Not sure how badly the trades go damage-wise, tho, and you spoke about "disallow to snowball" by which I guess you meant "farm fest with no killing potential". Smash "seems" to think the D wins. x) | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:19 gtrsrs wrote: you don't have to be a dick waveofshadow is a nice poster with a genuine question as for my input, i agree with you wave darius should never be able to kill shen because of shen's dash at the very least at the worst i see this as a freefarm lane otherwise shen can build some early armor and still do a ton of damage to darius the only hard part is, with the frequency these guys are banned, seeing either yet alone both in the same game you're right, that was uncalled for. Darius does dunk Shen though in my experience. Shen can't come even close to keeping up with his damage output. Vorpal is such a short range that Darius can trade his Qs for Shen's Qs which puts darius considerably ahead in the damage trades and Shen can't commit either or he gets completely bodied by Darius W and passive. Which means Shen's only way to have evenish trades is Q + W for Darius Q, at which point Darius can rope Shen in with his E, auto -> W, Shen ki strikes for energy back to dash away and then he's slowed and Darius is hasted, which lets Darius catch up for more follow up damage and wicked dunks. I've played the matchup 3 times on stream and every time the lane has proven to be a fairly straight forward win, even if I make costly mistakes early, once I get wriggle's, Shen's completely incapable of hanging with me in lane. http://www.twitch.tv/smashgizmo/b/320408052 1:20:00ish. I botch the lane early and then still dunk him. http://www.twitch.tv/smashgizmo/b/320140788 1:30:00ish. Hardly counts because of the level 1 fight, but dunked. http://www.twitch.tv/smashgizmo/b/319341538 first game. Again I start with an early disadvatage (no flash from level 1 invade) and then dunk him. | ||
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