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On May 26 2012 05:21 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 05:19 Requizen wrote:
He's an AD caster version of Trynd. Once he gets out of control, he gets out of control hard. If you lane safe against him, don't commit to many fights, and just pressure him with range and CC, he's workable. Still very strong, but not unbeatable. I think Kennen's the only character I can think of that has a chance vs. him in lane. His damage is just so very nutty. Also, I think he's more like the lovechild between Kat and Garen. You can say that doesn't make sense because he has mana, but I only ever realize that when I'm going for like, my 3rd ult after spamming Q and W.
What about Teemo? You're always talking about how Teemo is the answer to everything and on the PBE (super high elo games I know) Teemo seemed to be winning vs Darius pretty regularly.
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On May 26 2012 10:09 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 05:21 Mogwai wrote:On May 26 2012 05:19 Requizen wrote:
He's an AD caster version of Trynd. Once he gets out of control, he gets out of control hard. If you lane safe against him, don't commit to many fights, and just pressure him with range and CC, he's workable. Still very strong, but not unbeatable. I think Kennen's the only character I can think of that has a chance vs. him in lane. His damage is just so very nutty. Also, I think he's more like the lovechild between Kat and Garen. You can say that doesn't make sense because he has mana, but I only ever realize that when I'm going for like, my 3rd ult after spamming Q and W. What about Teemo? You're always talking about how Teemo is the answer to everything and on the PBE (super high elo games I know) Teemo seemed to be winning vs Darius pretty regularly.
Teemo has an easy time with anyone that relies a lot on autoattacks and don't have sticking power. Even with blind up, Darius can stick to Teemo with his speed boost/slow/pull, do damage with Q (and I don't think W is mitigated), and his passive DoT can do plenty, and he can stack it easily. Just running an MR page and getting sustain quick should do the trick.
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Teemo's 500 attack range seems like it would be a problem. He can probably bully Darius between Darius's E CDs, but if Darius is careful with using E, I think Teemo would be in a world of hurt as I think Darius should be able to pretty easily 1 combo Teemo.
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So I guess in lane his combo is pull and then slow into perma slow.
Lots of damage.
I don't like that he has an ult that is designed for "kill stealing" or an 'E' that's designed to catch people out of position.
I haven't seen anyone play him too well yet. But I'm guessing once people calculate and memorize his ult's damage they'll do better.
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Renekton was a tough lane for me, but that might have been because Lee Sin was camping as well. Still, his stun and ult are brutal dps if he builds a lot of health to survive your burst.
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I had problems with Kayle the most out of any champ I faced. If my E was up, I could threaten trades, but after a while she was just able to harass me out of lane between E cooldowns. Another champ that was annoying was Vlad. I killed him at lvl 4 and got far ahead, but between the enemy jungler camping and Vlad being Vlad, he was able to turn things around by lvl 9.
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he isnt that op honestly. His playstyle is like that of an all-in. IMO riven, yi, jarvan are better picks to any team comp almost considering they can engage and disengage very effectively in comparison to Darius.
Darius is built so that he is someone who once commits to a fight will win it IF he wisely chooses his timing. His playstyle is unforgiving extremely for both teams.
as for build:
I have to tried to build him like a ad bruiser but he isn't is quite effective as a AD caster much like Renekton. His W helps make him a little more dpsy without the help of AD items. With max cdr his q and w comes up like crazy improving his dps much more than autoattacking
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Oh, if you were wondering, Shyvana wrecks Darius in lane, in my experience. You can't out-trade her.
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renekton and lee sin dominate darius. anyone that has a combination of mobility and sustain is just too much for him. i duo'd with sg's top player on a smurf last night, he is 2k, he played darius and got shit on like no one's business by a 1400 renekton lol. anyone that can disengage after a small trade and avoid prolonged trades is going to wreck him
i could see shyvana causing problems for him until 6 but i don't see her winning after that. they both do a ton of magic and physical damage early, it's probably just about who engages/chickens out first. whoever gets the first hit off is gonna have an advantage in the trade, and whoever runs first is gonna get fucked i bet. also i feel like it'd be reliant on shyv's E, as most of her matchups that aren't push-fests usually are
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darius is pretty ridiculous at this point. Hotfix is inevitable
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On May 26 2012 13:38 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
darius is pretty ridiculous at this point. Hotfix is inevitable
it's already been over 24 hours. i dont think darius will be hotfixed. nerfed next patch? maybe. hotfixed? i highly doubt that.
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Honestly, he stopped feeling scary strong to me after a while. He's really good, to be fair, but he has his drawbacks and can be shut down in a couple different ways. He feels like a good choice for top laners and perhaps jungling, but he's no longer fills that "scary OP bullshit champ" space in my mind.
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On May 26 2012 14:12 Requizen wrote:
Honestly, he stopped feeling scary strong to me after a while. He's really good, to be fair, but he has his drawbacks and can be shut down in a couple different ways. He feels like a good choice for top laners and perhaps jungling, but he's no longer fills that "scary OP bullshit champ" space in my mind.
This is exactly how I feel.
At first I was excited because I thought there might be an alternative I can find other than Renekton). He is like Gragas where the champion is good but you can "feel" his weaknesses that hindur him alot.
When the texts and spotlight on him (Darius) showed I was thinking OP about him. But after playing him I can tell he isn't that strong and was a waste of a buy (Someone I probably won't play again for a long time).
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Just played a game as twitch where I went 5-3 or something? I helped Darius firstblood an exhaust ignite renekton (no flash means he'll win the first fight unless the jungler is there at the start of the fight stealthed) at level 2 and he just never needed help again from there. Mid got a kill with my help right after that so I spent my time at bot.
Darius ended up 16-5 getting twice as many kills as our next highest (blitz? and mf both had 8 or so) even though he didn't do all the damage. His ult is scary. It does more damage than cho's ult at it's maximum. Anyways my point is that Darius is one of the reasons why KDR isn't always an accurate indicator of one's impact on the game.
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Very situational. Snowballs very hard.
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I'm just waiting till he gets nerfed at this point. When I play a game and the other team has Darius, I lose. If they don't have one, I win. It's kind of hilarious, but also a tad frustrating. Course, that could be correlation and maybe the psychological effect is also shitting on my play.
I feel like his ulti is a little too strong. It has *basically* no cooldown like Yi's Highlander, does more (true) damage (and scales) better than Cho's feast. AND it has good synergy with his passive (which is also a little ridiculous).
The more I think, he's like Garen on steroids.
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Swain absolutely dumps on him. Haven't lost a single match against him and I doubt I ever will. You can harass him while dodging his q and as long as you heal up any harass he does happen to hit you with he can't kill you. I HIGHLY doubt he will get nerfed. He isn't really OP, just his counters aren't really played very much. He is the new king of noobstompers though. Anyone with sustained/kiting damage or really high one-sided burst (due to cc) absolutely dumps on him.
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the problem with darius is he snowballs so easily -_- big damage and big ability to take kills
and a lot of the "x can beat darius" seems to be anecdotal... not sure anyone absolutely destorys him because he does trade really really well
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On May 27 2012 11:56 CeriseCherries wrote:
the problem with darius is he snowballs so easily -_- big damage and big ability to take kills
and a lot of the "x can beat darius" seems to be anecdotal... not sure anyone absolutely destorys him because he does trade really really well
Well of course cait does. Put a ward down and start zoning from level 1 :/
But yeah I know what you mean.
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