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Considering how little spells she used she mostly right-clicked me, though. There's the on-hit that's magical but warden's passive affects it.
I'd be inclined to think Nocturne felt like garbage too, but that's not new to me and I used suboptimal runes (and possibly suboptimal masteries) so there's definitely room to make better (not sure how I could have outplayed her harder apart from having her facecheck me for more trail uptime, too, seeing how I originally barreled down a lane which tower she was killing and I happened to catch up).
Makes me wonder too if it's falling victim to the stupidly short midgame, since Nocturne is known to be rather strong early, have good ganks thanks to his ult, and a midgame peak, but fall off afterwards because he can't afford offensive itemisation to scale with his kit and he's way better at catching and skirmishing than straight-up teamfights.
So the midgame being compressed so hard by the rivers of gold flowing both ways can't really serve him well. People get rich and tanky (or too damaging for you to neglect defense) too fast; despite being pretty fed that game (a bunch of cleaning-up) a moment came (and stayed till the end) where I always felt I was one item behind, even when I was 0.5-1 item ahead of the enemy champions.
On the other hand junglers like Shyvana get online stupidly fast and keep getting stronger thanks to their strong scaling/teamfighting kits, so the window in which stuff like Nocturne or Vi is stronger than them is pretty short, and even then you're not particularly stronger than them. Not sure if they're worth it in this context.
Edit: Lucian was super fed at the end and Nocturne is garbage (wouldn't have been that much had I built BotRK I guess but I didn't want to drop 3K in a "chase Lucian" item when they had that dumb Elise + a Gragas on their team, I needed MR) so it was to be expected, at least late game.
I mean, you could say I was QQ-ing about Elise (she deserves it though, trashcan candidate champ design there), but with Lucian it's more surprise. I haven't seen that many (not as many as Jinx for example) and I knew he was stupidly strong if left alone with his short cooldowns, but the problem for me was his damage output with a single rotation, without his ult, when I had 160 armour and 2400 HP and he didn't have LW yet.
At this timing I expected to be at my peak as Nocturne on top of being somewhat fed, and Lucian actually couldn't kite me (w/o red buff I'd still get the fear off and reach him). But in less than 4 seconds he'd drop more than a third of my HP and even if I had him locked in melee I had to either run away or die in the next 5-6 seconds at that point. Didn't really expect that, that's Jinx/Varus-level midgame damage 'cept without using his ult.
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I'm going to try some support Ashe later. When supports going 5-5-25 are just as fed as solos going 10-5-10 I don't see any reason not to rune a double AD bot lane. Ashe already makes a decent support with AoE slows, hard CC initiation, hawk shot vision and using her passive to poke in lane. Not to mention she can run avarice and another gold income item simultaneously.
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Just had a game as jungle lee. DId a pretty decent job of putting pressure on every lane. I noticed really early on that our mid laner was subpar so I tried to nip it in the bud and camp his lane. It didnt do much besides helping him die a bit less than he would have otherwise as he couldn't really bring anything to a gank; I was basically just preventing him from dying.
Bot won pretty hard, and top went even. I kept asking my team (at least once a minute for 20 mins) to group up and take objectives since we had a pretty fed ad carry and lots of peel/engage. Team wouldn't and instead stayed in their lanes forever and allowed their ad carry to get back into the game. After that their mid laner was already ahead was ever more ahead and a better player than ours, and they got ther jungler and ad back into the game so we slowly lost.
I wish I could make calls that people would listen to despite having the best score on the team. 
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if that situation happens, you can just group up with your strongest lane (in this case the bot) and heavy push that lane.
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On December 03 2013 06:16 Ghost-z wrote:
I'm going to try some support Ashe later. When supports going 5-5-25 are just as fed as solos going 10-5-10 I don't see any reason not to rune a double AD bot lane. Ashe already makes a decent support with AoE slows, hard CC initiation, hawk shot vision and using her passive to poke in lane. Not to mention she can run avarice and another gold income item simultaneously.
Realistically, even if you were running Ashe as part of a double AD lane, she would be the farmer, not the support. Despite having a lot of utility, she's quite farm dependent as an AD simply due to her lack of inherent damage. Most other ADs with high base damage abilities would be more capable of taking the farm hit and making back the deficit on assists later, because they actually do damage with a farm deficit.
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So, with the daily limit on mystery skins, is it a 24-hour cycle as opposed to the 22-hour cycle for first win?
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T.R.O.L.L.S. will be starting up again tomorrow for Season 4: Behold.
There's no better time to find gamebreaking imbalances and crazy strategies than now!
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On December 03 2013 06:16 Ghost-z wrote:
I'm going to try some support Ashe later. When supports going 5-5-25 are just as fed as solos going 10-5-10 I don't see any reason not to rune a double AD bot lane. Ashe already makes a decent support with AoE slows, hard CC initiation, hawk shot vision and using her passive to poke in lane. Not to mention she can run avarice and another gold income item simultaneously.
Ashe is weak against melee supports who can build armor since she does only AD damage and so will her ADC deal primarily physical. I think it would be hard to run her since bruisers/taric/leona are so strong and she has no escape and is easy to itemize against.
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On December 03 2013 07:25 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 06:16 Ghost-z wrote:
I'm going to try some support Ashe later. When supports going 5-5-25 are just as fed as solos going 10-5-10 I don't see any reason not to rune a double AD bot lane. Ashe already makes a decent support with AoE slows, hard CC initiation, hawk shot vision and using her passive to poke in lane. Not to mention she can run avarice and another gold income item simultaneously. Realistically, even if you were running Ashe as part of a double AD lane, she would be the farmer, not the support. Despite having a lot of utility, she's quite farm dependent as an AD simply due to her lack of inherent damage. Most other ADs with high base damage abilities would be more capable of taking the farm hit and making back the deficit on assists later, because they actually do damage with a farm deficit.
You make a good point. But I was thinking along the lines of Cait/Ashe lane for long range harass because if you were going for a high base damage support (Ashe/Graves) then you don't have the poke and are pretty much just an all-in combo. In which case you would be better off playing an AP carry as your support (someone suggested Oriana).
My thoughts on Ashe support (for solo Q) were that you could poke them out while safely pushing the lane. You're less likely to be bullied out of lane like an all-in support because you still provide great utility all game long with the potential to become a carry yourself. I'm not saying Ashe support is better than traditional supports but as far as making life hell for an enemy vayne I'm all for that.
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On December 03 2013 07:42 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 06:16 Ghost-z wrote:
I'm going to try some support Ashe later. When supports going 5-5-25 are just as fed as solos going 10-5-10 I don't see any reason not to rune a double AD bot lane. Ashe already makes a decent support with AoE slows, hard CC initiation, hawk shot vision and using her passive to poke in lane. Not to mention she can run avarice and another gold income item simultaneously. Ashe is weak against melee supports who can build armor since she does only AD damage and so will her ADC deal primarily physical. I think it would be hard to run her since bruisers/taric/leona are so strong and she has no escape and is easy to itemize against.
Supporting is usually the last pick in Solo Q so just don't pick Ashe (or any AD support) against Taric. Pick it against a lane you know you can force under tower easily.
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On December 03 2013 07:30 TheHumanSensation wrote:
So, with the daily limit on mystery skins, is it a 24-hour cycle as opposed to the 22-hour cycle for first win?
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what do you do when the biggest troll on your team is your duo partner. before game "im gonna play draven", get in to the game, locks in ezreal.
fml i need new friends. anyone on here looking for a support bitch?!
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Mystery gift results:
Sasquatch Nunu (meh)
Blackthorn Morgana (meh)
Infiltrator Irelia (okay)
Battlecast Prime Cho'Gath (YAY)
Exiled Morgana (meh)
Statue of Karthus (okay)
Hot Rod Corki (meh)
Neon Strike Vi (meh)
Ruthless Pantheon (meh)
Crimson Elite Riven (meh)
Tango Twisted Fate (meh)
Aether Wing Kayle (YAY)
Morgana: I have the Kerrigan skin already.
Riven: I have the S2 and Redeemed skin already.
Karthus: I now own every skin.
TF: I have the Underworld skin already.
Vi: Standard skin best skin and have Officer skin already.
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support bitches no longer exist in this game
all supports are bear level or above now
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do you guys go 21 offense or 21 utility on the popular AP supports like Annie, Fiddle, Zyra? Personally I think 2 offense is better but saw Krepo go 21 utility with annie.
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Taric's new W is so OP, wtf. o_o
Also he still can't spam all of his shit because mana. It's becoming rare these days, it's almost welcomed.
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Utility looks like such a shitty tree to me really dont see the appeal.Other than mp5 and lower sumoner cd really wouldnt go lower.
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