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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:24 Alaric wrote: Taric's new W is so OP, wtf. o_o Also he still can't spam all of his shit because mana. It's becoming rare these days, it's almost welcomed. Spam everything and abuse his passive lol. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Then Tabi and negatron because Elise and Teemo were hurting. Then the game was over. After completing the FH but before the tabi I had 8s cd on my 40-armour shredding W, what the heck. I thought even with the new passive his cooldowns would be limited a bit, but the factor's actually the move speed to catch valuable targets with W's tiny AoE, and the mana because it drops so fast (granted the heal costs a bunch). | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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canikizu
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 03 2013 10:52 canikizu wrote: I laugh at people who whines Eve OP when she does the same thing like in S3. Why do people whine Eve OP at 3 minute gank when she can do the same thing in S3? Because vision changes make it easier for Eve to gank. Yes, you can still buy pinks, but pinks being always visible means it's inconsequential for Eve to clear the ward then come back in like 10 seconds. Whereas in S3, Eve (or the laner) would have to invest in their own pink ward to counter-ward before ganking, setting them back 100 gold if the gank fails. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
they either need to make her stealth unfailable (remove pink wards, remove detection range etc) and then nerf her, or remove her stealth. i dont see any argument you can make for a 'it works most of the time' stealth mechanic being good for the game. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On December 03 2013 10:59 Ryuu314 wrote: Because vision changes make it easier for Eve to gank. Yes, you can still buy pinks, but pinks being always visible means it's inconsequential for Eve to clear the ward then come back in like 10 seconds. Whereas in S3, Eve (or the laner) would have to invest in their own pink ward to counter-ward before ganking, setting them back 100 gold if the gank fails. At 3 minutes, no one buys pink anyway. It's your job to hold back and prepare for 3 minute, 5 minutes gank. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 03 2013 11:09 canikizu wrote: At 3 minutes, no one buys pink anyway. It's your job to hold back and prepare for 3 minute, 5 minutes gank. It's not really the 3 minute gank that's scary about Eve in the first place. Eve's ganks aren't that great until she gets 6. Regardless, it's the fact that tracking Eve's position on the map is a lot harder with weaker pinks that's causing people to complain about her. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
You don't beat Eve by warding lane anyways, you ward her camps and play smart when she clears. | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
On December 03 2013 11:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Even when pinks were invisible noone pinking vs Eve, top would start flask ward pot/pots bed ward and get raped anyways. This. I don't remember ever seeing a pink ward bought vs an Eve before and yet now somehow she's more invisible. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On December 03 2013 11:22 TheLink wrote: This. I don't remember ever seeing a pink ward bought vs an Eve before and yet now somehow she's more invisible. I didn't even notice my typos until I read you quoting me haha MYSTERY SKIN FINAL ROUND: Bioforge Darius (meh..didn't have a skin for him at least) Ninja Rammus (Decent, prefer Chrome) Ghost Bride Morgana (FUCK YEAH) Previously Warring Kingdoms Xin Zhao (kinda cool) Full Metal Jayce (POWERSLAM) Sherwood Forest Ashe (Woad is better because dat thong imo) Darkforge Jarvan (meh) Jaximus (HERE'S TO YOU KID) Battle Regalia Poppy (super cute splash art) Marquis Vladimir (meh) Kennen MD (meh) Subterranean Nautilus (it does look kinda like an SCV like someone said, which is sweet) | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On December 03 2013 11:22 TheLink wrote: This. I don't remember ever seeing a pink ward bought vs an Eve before and yet now somehow she's more invisible. I remember seeing my higher level (IE Diamond 1) friends starting out like pink+green over 3 greens as support in Season 3 before. I've also seen mid-laners go back and buy pink wards after pushing opponents out of lane against Eve. | ||
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Kyrie
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 03 2013 11:06 turdburgler wrote: it doesnt even matter to me if people decide shes op or not, shes completely toxic to the game. i know toxic is such an over used word in this game but all stealth mechanics are so binary in nature. to be 'balanced' when stealth has a chance to fail you need to be weak when it fails and strong when it doesnt, so if you dont see her coming, by design you are completely fucked, even in situations where you are strong enough to hold off other junglers, and if you do see her coming or whatever, shes worthless. they either need to make her stealth unfailable (remove pink wards, remove detection range etc) and then nerf her, or remove her stealth. i dont see any argument you can make for a 'it works most of the time' stealth mechanic being good for the game. The only reason Stealth is "binary" is because every other mechanic in the game is so weak. If means of initiating ganks from beyond or bypassing vision are the norm, Stealth isn't any worse than the others. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On December 03 2013 11:52 TheYango wrote: The only reason Stealth is "binary" is because every other mechanic in the game is so weak. If means of initiating ganks from beyond or bypassing vision are the norm, Stealth isn't any worse than the others. but thats the opposite of the way riot is taking the game. riot dont seem to want situations where you just get fucked, they want the players to have more knowledge and more options. its easier now than ever before to ward up all the relevant paths around the map, so that leaves flashes, teleports and wall jumps and most of those are either massive investments with a clear trade off (even in a successful gank) or you can deal with the jumping/teleporting too. riot love to spout words like counterplay but evelynn ganks have none, she can not only reasonably get behind you every time, but she can know 100% when shes been detected. theres no power in your hands, only hers. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On December 03 2013 11:18 Ryuu314 wrote: It's not really the 3 minute gank that's scary about Eve in the first place. Eve's ganks aren't that great until she gets 6. Regardless, it's the fact that tracking Eve's position on the map is a lot harder with weaker pinks that's causing people to complain about her. In season 3, Eve's 3 minute ganks were incredibly strong. Unless my top laner pushed like crazy, I'd at the very last get a flash + tons of damage top 90% of the time. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 03 2013 12:07 GolemMadness wrote: In season 3, Eve's 3 minute ganks were incredibly strong. Unless my top laner pushed like crazy, I'd at the very last get a flash + tons of damage top 90% of the time. Eh. Only if Eve takes smite/exhaust or if the top laner has built in cc. Eve pre-6 has literally no cc to speak of outside of red buff, which isn't exactly the easiest to apply considering her gap-closer isn't amazing either. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On December 03 2013 11:22 TheLink wrote: This. I don't remember ever seeing a pink ward bought vs an Eve before and yet now somehow she's more invisible. Maybe you need to play with better people. My friends and I would constantly complain how poor we are as supports against an Eve. I would also buy pinks against Shacos. If I were mid, I would sometimes put a pink in the middle of the lane. | ||
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