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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 12 2013 21:12 GMT
#4201
sooo chinese team coming to NA most likely playing in challenger league and trying to get into LCS for Summer season?
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1sq4wb/chinese_team_lmq_coming_to_a_lcs_near_you/
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
December 12 2013 21:15 GMT
#4202
Unsurprising, given Tabe's commentary on the Chinese scene. Still, they'd have to get into the Coke Zero league to qualify for the visa, I think.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 12 2013 21:17 GMT
#4203
There's a player named Xiaoweixiao???

Dear lord I'm in love. One day I will see Weixiaoxiaoweixiaoxiaoxiao
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 12 2013 21:22 GMT
#4204
On December 13 2013 06:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
There's a player named Xiaoweixiao???

Dear lord I'm in love. One day I will see Weixiaoxiaoweixiaoxiaoxiao

I was so sad that he wasn't the Chinese all-star mid, my dream team of xaiowexiao, wexaio and XiaoXaio was ruined that day. Anyways iirc he was the mid for royal club before whit3zz. I don't remember him being that bad then again I haven't watched xiaowexiao in a looong time.
Glorious SEA doto
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-12 21:24:38
December 12 2013 21:23 GMT
#4205
I'm pretty sure xiaoweixiao got into some shit for using that name
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-12 21:24:19
December 12 2013 21:24 GMT
#4206
EDIT: I'M BAD AT TL
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
December 12 2013 21:24 GMT
#4207
On December 13 2013 06:05 JazzVortical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 05:50 Fusilero wrote:
On December 13 2013 05:41 JazzVortical wrote:
On December 13 2013 05:28 Eiii wrote:
On December 13 2013 05:24 lefty wrote:
This has probably been talked about countless times, but another manaless champion? Do the designers not recognize a problem? I feel like its' starting to spiral out of control.


I wonder how much communication or cooperation there is between the champion designers and the balance team. The impression I get is that each champion is a small number of designers' pet projects, and then it's up to the balance team to tweak numbers and minor changes and stuff to make sure the character fits in the game well.

I believe people at riot have mentioned manaless champs being a problem before, so does that mean that the balance team is like pulling their hair out everytime another resourceless champ is introduced? Or is that 'problem' something the designers are aware of and actively try to avoid in their champs?


Clearly Mana is toxic and anti-fun. Explains the ult mana buffs too.

Sometimes it really does feel like that, especially in top lane. Not even energy any more yay for mundo/shyv/rango/renekton.


I commend Riot for having different systems, they are interesting and adds flavour. I like that Mana champs have to be prudent in lane, while energy champs suffer in teamfights. But they are just out of whack at the moment. Top lane is ruined. And then of course, with everyone screeching about how bad resourceless champs are, they release another one.


Energy champions have been consistently getting buffs to energy management because it is "too limiting" in teamfights, and then of course they have to nerf mana costs so that way mana isn't totally eclipsed, and then you have resourceless champions gated only by cooldowns (or maybe secondary resource), but here comes Yasuo who has none of the above (I guess he's gated by people being knocked up ... ?)

When your design is so totally out of whack it makes balancing very difficult because you have this monstrous hill that dwarfs everything in potential power peak and so to stop ball from rolling from it and crushing everything else you have to build a ton of metaphorical fences to keep things in check.

For the longest time Riot's design philosophy was to keep things fun-sized and simple, rather than the dynamic "every thing is imba" of many other games (i.e. Chess: Pawns are imba because they can threaten Queens with good positioning), which is a very valid philosophy. However, the problem is that any destabilizing elements will trend towards being severely destabilizing because so much of the game is played in a certain manner not through some sort of long-term game-theoretic equilibrium, but because divergent and emergent play that may be more optimal is quickly limited.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 12 2013 21:24 GMT
#4208
On December 13 2013 06:23 Nos- wrote:
I'm pretty sure xiaoweixiao got some shit for that name

Dude, have you seen the ADC for LMQ. Nobody would dare insult anyone associated with him.
Glorious SEA doto
NotYango
Profile Joined December 2013
United States719 Posts
December 12 2013 21:35 GMT
#4209
On December 13 2013 06:22 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 06:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
There's a player named Xiaoweixiao???

Dear lord I'm in love. One day I will see Weixiaoxiaoweixiaoxiaoxiao

I was so sad that he wasn't the Chinese all-star mid, my dream team of xaiowexiao, wexaio and XiaoXaio was ruined that day. Anyways iirc he was the mid for royal club before whit3zz. I don't remember him being that bad then again I haven't watched xiaowexiao in a looong time.

He was pretty fucking bad on Royal, lol.

He actually looked a lot better on LMQ.
yango pls
Chemiczny84
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland458 Posts
December 12 2013 21:45 GMT
#4210
http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/node/9367 patch notes, fiddle and rammus changes yaaay
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 12 2013 21:45 GMT
#4211
DARKNESSSSSSSssssssss


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