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[TL R&D] T.R.O.L.L.S. S4

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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 02 2013 22:35 GMT
#1
T.R.O.L.L.S. is a loose organization of players interested in putting theory into practice in a light-hearted, low pressure environment. The only requirements are civility and interest. You do not have to be a skillful player or a master theorycrafter to participate.

      Official Testing Time: From 00:00 GMT (+00:00) on Tuesdays, until we run out of theories/people/fun.
      Official Testing Channel: TROLLS
      Official Testing Coordinator: Montegomery
      Official Testing Assistant: Ketara

Be advised: We at T.R.O.L.L.S. are willing to meet anyone with an interesting idea halfway. That is to say, if you're willing to put thought and work into an idea we will help you. We are not, however, a dustbin for whatever random idea tickled your fancy for the three seconds it took you to post.

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Archived Theories (Season 4):
None... yet.

T.R.O.L.L.S. Season 3 Research Archive
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"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 02 2013 22:37 GMT
#2
The first official T.R.O.L.L.S. test will be tomorrow. There is currently no agenda for this test. If you have something you wish to test, post here and we can discuss it.

T.R.O.L.L.S. is also looking for an additional testing assistant on the off chance Monte runs Ketara over with a bus, or vice versa.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-03 17:09:08
December 03 2013 02:43 GMT
#3
Theory: Support Maokai

Rationale With the season 4 jungle changes, Maokai is even weaker in the jungle than he was in season 3. With the improvements of support gold gain, I believe Maokai could be played as a support. He has the jump/root/CC combo similar to leona, as well as a skill that gives him temporary wards (and they do damage too!), and has damage reduction with his ult for 2v2/2v3 duels after level 6.

The Kicker: With targons or ancient coin, he can get a little bit of gold income, and can proc his passive on minions at the same time he uses the targon charges to heal the ADC.

Possible Drawback: Saplings are mana whores, an early chalice may be necessary to keep up the harass in lane.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35158 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-03 05:14:30
December 03 2013 05:08 GMT
#4
Theory: GP support focused around Face of the Mountain, Tiamat, and Avarice Blade.

Rational: Acts like nunu support with self heal + carry steroid. Comes with bonus of removing CC on him. Parrrley adds decent harass like snowball. Ult does it's usual thing. Moves him away from a solo lane with poor matchups and out of the jungle away from invade duels.

The Kicker: His liking of avarice blade makes him one of the few champions in the game that can do double gold items. Parrley, due to his range being melee, should trigger FotM execute. Tiamat's unique interaction with FotM where it can AOE off of 1 charge(unless that was hotfixed.) Avarice blade might have to be dropped due to income restraints between the previously mentioned items + sightstone.

Theory: Splitpush Support Zyra.

Rational: Already works amazingly as a support.

The Kicker: S4 changes to Banner of Command makes it a high CDR/AP item with a decent buildup ontop of minion passive to pump cannons and buff her plants. Innate CC can make for easy getaways. Sightstone can be used to toss about ward coverage in enemy jungle, combined with her innate CC and proper map awareness making for well planned escapes.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
December 03 2013 08:05 GMT
#5
Me and a buddy have been running GP bot lane with aggressive, all-inny laners that are effective with around a jungler's level of farm. We did it with the same thought of hiding GP away from his poor matchups in top lane, and playing him like a hard lategame carry, with shiv/triforce into items like visage/randuins/sunfire or IE. I didn't think to try BotRK. If GP can get the offensive items in a decent amount of time he's a really good mid and lategame teamfighter, he doesn't need a ton of offensive items in lategame to do a lot of damage.

we figured with proper use of double relic shields the 'support' could get a pretty good amount of gold, a little less than the jungler in every game we played. we tried maokai and jarvan as the supports. We seemed to be able to all-in a bunch of ad/support combos by stacking ad/ap in runes and masteries and using GP's cheesy lvl 1 and 2 damage with ignite.

if anyone can think of ways to make this better please lemme know
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Wetty
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia419 Posts
December 03 2013 12:08 GMT
#6
On December 03 2013 14:08 Gahlo wrote:
Theory: GP support focused around Face of the Mountain, Tiamat, and Avarice Blade.

Rational: Acts like nunu support with self heal + carry steroid. Comes with bonus of removing CC on him. Parrrley adds decent harass like snowball. Ult does it's usual thing. Moves him away from a solo lane with poor matchups and out of the jungle away from invade duels.

The Kicker: His liking of avarice blade makes him one of the few champions in the game that can do double gold items. Parrley, due to his range being melee, should trigger FotM execute. Tiamat's unique interaction with FotM where it can AOE off of 1 charge(unless that was hotfixed.) Avarice blade might have to be dropped due to income restraints between the previously mentioned items + sightstone.

Theory: Splitpush Support Zyra.

Rational: Already works amazingly as a support.

The Kicker: S4 changes to Banner of Command makes it a high CDR/AP item with a decent buildup ontop of minion passive to pump cannons and buff her plants. Innate CC can make for easy getaways. Sightstone can be used to toss about ward coverage in enemy jungle, combined with her innate CC and proper map awareness making for well planned escapes.


Hotfixed FYI. Tried a support GP today in a normal with a friend, seems to have some potential anyway, have fun!
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
December 03 2013 13:24 GMT
#7
There are a few champions like GP who could benefit from doing a duo relic shield lane with a strong laner...

Warwick?
Poppy?
Darius?
Olaf?

Other melees who are underplayed at the moment?

The question is if the second laner should be the ADC or if it is beneficial to send him to another position.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35158 Posts
December 03 2013 15:36 GMT
#8
On December 03 2013 21:08 Wetty wrote:
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On December 03 2013 14:08 Gahlo wrote:
Theory: GP support focused around Face of the Mountain, Tiamat, and Avarice Blade.

Rational: Acts like nunu support with self heal + carry steroid. Comes with bonus of removing CC on him. Parrrley adds decent harass like snowball. Ult does it's usual thing. Moves him away from a solo lane with poor matchups and out of the jungle away from invade duels.

The Kicker: His liking of avarice blade makes him one of the few champions in the game that can do double gold items. Parrley, due to his range being melee, should trigger FotM execute. Tiamat's unique interaction with FotM where it can AOE off of 1 charge(unless that was hotfixed.) Avarice blade might have to be dropped due to income restraints between the previously mentioned items + sightstone.

Theory: Splitpush Support Zyra.

Rational: Already works amazingly as a support.

The Kicker: S4 changes to Banner of Command makes it a high CDR/AP item with a decent buildup ontop of minion passive to pump cannons and buff her plants. Innate CC can make for easy getaways. Sightstone can be used to toss about ward coverage in enemy jungle, combined with her innate CC and proper map awareness making for well planned escapes.


Hotfixed FYI. Tried a support GP today in a normal with a friend, seems to have some potential anyway, have fun!

Aw.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
December 03 2013 17:02 GMT
#9
Theory: Taric-Nasus duo top lane with double Targon first item

Rationale Relic shield was nerfed but Targon (so far) has not been touched in a duo-melee setting. Getting it early provides great gold generation for both Nasus and Taric, so that even with Nasus being given farm priority, Taric gets surprising amount of gold. Gives Nasus safer early game and greater gold generation to reach lategame quicker.

The Kicker: With new Taric's burst potential + double armor shred + wither, actually becomes a pretty deadly kill lane people might not expect. Can run in a 2-1-2 setting or with a safe ADC like Caitlyn solo-lane.

Possible Drawback: Could be vulnerable to laneswaps, not sure how well it would do against an ADC/support pair in lane.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35158 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-03 17:17:22
December 03 2013 17:17 GMT
#10
derp.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
December 03 2013 17:32 GMT
#11
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-03 19:53:01
December 03 2013 19:50 GMT
#12
On December 04 2013 02:02 BrownBear wrote:
Theory: Taric-Nasus duo top lane with double Targon first item

Rationale Relic shield was nerfed but Targon (so far) has not been touched in a duo-melee setting. Getting it early provides great gold generation for both Nasus and Taric, so that even with Nasus being given farm priority, Taric gets surprising amount of gold. Gives Nasus safer early game and greater gold generation to reach lategame quicker.

The Kicker: With new Taric's burst potential + double armor shred + wither, actually becomes a pretty deadly kill lane people might not expect. Can run in a 2-1-2 setting or with a safe ADC like Caitlyn solo-lane.

Possible Drawback: Could be vulnerable to laneswaps, not sure how well it would do against an ADC/support pair in lane.


Wither + stun and the burst is pretty good. Taric lands a stun, Nasus withers and you both walk up and just fart on the AD's face. Level 2 "all-in" with Taric EW and Nasus QW sounds scary, with another chance at 3 when Nasus gets E.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
December 03 2013 21:06 GMT
#13
I'll be around, although I have finals next week so if there's enough participants without me I'll probably sneak out.

I think since everything is still crazy that testing ideas should be focused on more general concepts rather than specific champions in specific spots, although I know everybody has fun things they want to try. I certainly have fun things I want to try.

But it'd be neat to see discussions of like, is 2-1-2 still viable, is a roaming support viable, lists of unconventional support/jungle picks that might work now, etc.


I've held off on doing much math for my personal testing of champs that I love to do because I know the rune changes are going to come out soon(tm), and they are going to be a big deal. Champions that like Mana Regen or CDR or GP10 runes are going to REALLY like the rune changes, as will champions with fairly poor AD/AP scaling.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 03 2013 23:53 GMT
#14
We'll probably start off with a fair amount of discussion since the season is new and such. I also need to cook dinner for the fiance.

But TROLLS starts in less than 10 minutes. Come on in the internet's fine!
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 04 2013 01:00 GMT
#15
Anyone streaming these?
It's your boy Guzma!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 04 2013 01:06 GMT
#16
Right now we're just discussing things rather than playing as we work out ideas.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 04 2013 01:13 GMT
#17
First Hot Theory:

2-1-2 with two AD Carry Lanes. Push like crazy and force the enemy jungler to leave the jungle or lose turrets.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 04 2013 01:32 GMT
#18
So this wasn't a particularly exciting night, but I'm going to give everyone some homework based on our discussion. You don't have to answer all the questions, just pick one and go for it.

Homework Question #1: With increased support gold income, what new supports may be viable?

Homework Question #2: With the changes to the jungle, what new junglers may be viable?

Homework Question #3: What duo top lanes would be best in a 2-1-2?

Homework Question #4: Who would you use in a hard push composition?
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
December 04 2013 01:40 GMT
#19
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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
December 04 2013 02:24 GMT
#20
As I imagine you've already tested this and would know:
How well does Ashe focusing on W with Liandry's and Spirit of the Lizard Elder work?
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