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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 19 2014 08:31 GMT
#141
I think a midgame timing with 2+ Sheens on a team could be incredibly strong. Play lanes out normally, then everyone goes mid and shoves hard. Sheen will allow a lot of damage on tower and adds a fairly significant amount of burst/poke as well as extra mana for extended siege. It is probably one of the most cost efficient damage items for champs who have mana and some sort of AP scaling.

This idea is heavily based off of some ARAM I've been playing (yeah, scrublife). I build sheen on a huge number of champs-- Miss Fortune, Nasus, etc. who all benefit from it in addition to the more usual guys like TF and Fizz.
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
January 20 2014 11:36 GMT
#142
Hello,

during the pre-season I've been testing a lot of unconvential supports, some with surprisingly good results and some with less than stellar. One of the most interesting and with fairly good results was Veigar and Ziggs.

Ziggs was immensely strong as a lane bully with his extremely strong poke, from level 6 and on we had gigantic kill potential in lane and his ability to "gank" (or counter-gank) mid from the botlane with his ultimate had frequently an impact on the game. Randomly stealing a dragon or blue buff was certainly also fun.

Primarily his ability to poke down the enemy adc and support led to some extremely hard snowballed games and his CC from mines and satchel were surprisingly good with high amounts of CDR. While his damage certainly wasn't on par with a fully farmed standard Ziggs it was surprisingly strong with just Guise, Sorcs and a good amount of CDR. The ability to blast down towers with his passive made for some really strong push-centric compositions too.


The other suprise support was Veigar. Yes really. Starting with Relic Shield and rushing a Targon's gave a lot of value, as it sort of doubles his gain from the shared gold with free AP from his Q. The thought was with max CDR his AoE is very very very frequently accesible, 9.6 second CD, compared to it's power. Despite not being full AP he still had the capability to burst down squishies. In the lategame we could funnel farm into him and ultimately he could one-shot the carries regardless of being "underfarmed" alongside having immense teamfight presence thanks to his AoE stun. He was suprisingly safe and fairly fast as a splitpusher once he had max CDR - Event Horizon easily clears the caster minions.


Any thoughts from the more experienced "mad scientists"?
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
January 21 2014 22:28 GMT
#143
I have no idea what's going on with TROLLS right now. Monte has disappeared.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
January 21 2014 22:51 GMT
#144
I heard he's in jail
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 22 2014 16:02 GMT
#145
Sorry, I got back from my honeymoon and there's post-wedding stuff I've had to do.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 23 2014 01:10 GMT
#146
On January 23 2014 01:02 Seuss wrote:
Sorry, I got back from my honeymoon and there's post-wedding stuff I've had to do.

Congrats
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 28 2014 00:05 GMT
#147
Thanks, I apologize for today as well. I was planning to try and get TROLLS going but I'm in the middle of a job hunt and the day got away from me.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
January 28 2014 00:58 GMT
#148
It's Monday, not Tuesday.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 28 2014 04:22 GMT
#149
You can tell I have it all together.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Sarah Bryant
Profile Joined January 2014
United Kingdom160 Posts
January 28 2014 11:40 GMT
#150
WARWICK SUPPORT! RAWR!

They say i'm the best girl support player EUW. They call me the "ultimate bujin the 2nd that can never be caught and have amazing game sense and pro reads", they see me in champ select they already calculate how many lp they are going to lose....all of that is true, and yet, when i try to pitch my warwick s4 support idea i get:

"NO IT DOESNT SUPPORT YOU DONT HELP ADC IN LANE IT'S TROLL"
"LOL ANY SUPPORT COULD DO THAT THAT'S NOT SUPPORT..."
"F*** IT'S WW SUPPORT GJ TROLLING TROLL I REPORT+FEED+AFK HF NOW THIS COMMUNITY !@#$%"

Now i tried to sell my ideas to #r/leagueoflegends channel in quakenet and in this site...but got a COLD SHOULDER!
Tried to write a blueprint of a guide to http://www.lolking.net/guides/229609 but NO WATCHERS
Beaten silver-plat level euw games with it but WHO WILL TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, MAYBE I GOT CARRIED?![BOO]

Please, TROLLS, help me get this champion into the korean meta, and if not that to the na meta, and if not that at least have him called valid support!

Pumpkins!
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 28 2014 16:57 GMT
#151
On January 28 2014 20:40 Sarah Bryant wrote:
WARWICK SUPPORT! RAWR!

They say i'm the best girl support player EUW. They call me the "ultimate bujin the 2nd that can never be caught and have amazing game sense and pro reads", they see me in champ select they already calculate how many lp they are going to lose....all of that is true, and yet, when i try to pitch my warwick s4 support idea i get:

"NO IT DOESNT SUPPORT YOU DONT HELP ADC IN LANE IT'S TROLL"
"LOL ANY SUPPORT COULD DO THAT THAT'S NOT SUPPORT..."
"F*** IT'S WW SUPPORT GJ TROLLING TROLL I REPORT+FEED+AFK HF NOW THIS COMMUNITY !@#$%"

Now i tried to sell my ideas to #r/leagueoflegends channel in quakenet and in this site...but got a COLD SHOULDER!
Tried to write a blueprint of a guide to http://www.lolking.net/guides/229609 but NO WATCHERS
Beaten silver-plat level euw games with it but WHO WILL TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, MAYBE I GOT CARRIED?![BOO]

Please, TROLLS, help me get this champion into the korean meta, and if not that to the na meta, and if not that at least have him called valid support!


The Passion you have for this is quite notable.
I do think think that support WW coullllld work. The main issues being lack early laning presence.
With the new season giving supports more gold support WW actually gets a good boost. As he maybe be able to build enough items so he can survive in a teamfight with out getting wrecked.

His Ult used as peel would do fine. And his Q for Damage on bruisers going for his adc might help. Of course the main reason that support WW can work is that sweet, sweet AS buff. 40 AS for the team is nothing to scoff at. If WW can get full CD I believe it can remain up indefinitely or close to it. With this rise of characters like Yasuo. WW looks even better.

So looking at this. WW altogether doesn't look terrible at support. The main issues being having a rough early lane. Given that he should be paired with a strong early game ADC. Cait comes to mind.

I got to diamond 5 (not too notable by any means) last season to give some context and two of my mains were support. (Leona, Blitz)

So Sarah I'm curious on your experience with support WW so far. When has he worked? When has he done poorly? All that good stuff :D
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 28 2014 17:07 GMT
#152
Also Sarah why not play support WW on D5 Account ????

I also took a look at your guide. Why did you decided on building WW damage as opposed to a CDR tank for instance.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Sarah Bryant
Profile Joined January 2014
United Kingdom160 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 20:07:59
January 28 2014 20:06 GMT
#153
Like i said lane phase is his weakest but with good play you will suvrive it unless enemy is 90lp dia1 bot lane who can perfect harras, but you wouldnt pick alot of support against that anyway.

You always go cdr tanky, eventually, and you can get 1 armour or giants after wits, but damage is key to this. You want to make sure your ganks/initiates with ulti will secure a kill, so ignite+botrk active+wits=gl getting out of. Of course you will get cd from FH/SV but that can wait till mid game[or 2nd item if you are pressed]. If he had just his ulti to rely on he wouldnt be diffrant than one trick pony troll support, but it's his gank+vision+as+tankiness+damage power that makes him good.


As i said i win all the time with him on silver-plat on 2 diffrant accounts with good %, but many people say "hurr durr you are diamond you can win with ashe support playing with one leg at plat", so i want other people to try it and see for themselvs, sadly no one is willing even to test it.
Pumpkins!
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 02:31:09
January 29 2014 02:30 GMT
#154
Random timbit: Darius jungle as a counter to pantheon jungle is really really good. Pantheon melts to darius ult and kinda has to go in to do anything. Scales better and in a fight just wrecks him.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6170 Posts
January 30 2014 16:58 GMT
#155
I just played a game as Zigg support and it's soooo fun :D
It was vs an MF+zylean so he already didn't had a great range and if zyl wanted to put a bomb on someone, he eat lots of poke from me.
I think it's work a try.


on another game, I also tried Gangplank andok but not that good
n_n
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
February 01 2014 00:15 GMT
#156
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-01 07:32:00
February 01 2014 07:23 GMT
#157
He's good in theory, except when my duo plays Draven, I play Morgana support. Morgana support is really, really good with Draven- her Black Shield (to excuse the pun) is actually BS. With one spell, you effectively negate the enemy support's ability to CC and damage. Then you still have a pretty damaging snare, a great zone control/ creep clearing tool and a game changing ult.

Her ult is not that great midgame as you will only very rarely have the tankiness/AP to use it in outright fights, but she is very strong in jungle skirmishes with narrow paths and bushes. It also offers a lot of control around dragon.
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necaremus
Profile Joined December 2013
45 Posts
February 01 2014 21:14 GMT
#158
zigg supp definitly workable. his cc is rly strong. and his dps with cdr, allthou lacking in ap, is pretty high.

but another idea: what about a close range ad+long range ap lane?
starting items for close range: relic shield
starting item for ranged ap: spellthiefs edge

my main idea would be: yasuo+lulu
they synergize super well -> once they reach lvl 6, there is no way of loosing an all in
and omg... if they engage on yasuo, or anyone... dat counter engage with lulu into yasuo ult chained... so gud.

so... basicly 2 different ideas:
getting moar gold out of the duo lane via double gold item!
annie for example can trigger spellthiefs edge pretty much every 10 sec... if she gets money from relic shield on top of that... so much gold ;>

and another idea: yasuo on bot lane:
his W is perfect vs ranged champions, making trades on bot lane often 2v1.
his Q actually has bigger range than auto attacks (if u saw some yasuos, he can kite with his Q against close ranged champions )
in teamfights, he can kite close ranged (couse of his Q range) and zone enemy ranged champions out (his wall rly is sooooo strong)... maybe u dont even need a ranged adc on another lane because of that
“Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice.”
haiau
Profile Joined June 2011
101 Posts
February 20 2014 00:14 GMT
#159
Hi there,

I'm playing in a league right now where my ranked 5v5 team is playing a team compromised mostly of diamond 1 level players. The majority of my team is like at mid gold level.

Are there some weird all-in type strats we can do to try to win the game?

Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome!

Thanks in advance
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
February 20 2014 18:10 GMT
#160
On February 20 2014 09:14 haiau wrote:
Hi there,

I'm playing in a league right now where my ranked 5v5 team is playing a team compromised mostly of diamond 1 level players. The majority of my team is like at mid gold level.

Are there some weird all-in type strats we can do to try to win the game?

Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome!

Thanks in advance


The spirit of this thread is more about you coming up with ideas to try rather than have them given to you. For instance you are interested in All-In comps. What would a comp like that require? What would be the pros/cons of even running it? Is it a comp that has to do well early or does it have to weather the storm until late game?
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