EPT[Patch 1.0.0.131: Viktor] General Discussion - Page 113
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Craton
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:35 Cloud9157 wrote: You shouldn't call teammates stupid during a game. Doesn't really help. I think Regi realizes it was stupid, but he just doesn't want to be told it. I think Xspecial needed to wait for after game to comment on the plays. xpecial said "it was stupid", not "you are stupid" regi such a dick lmao | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:33 Ryuu314 wrote: I mean...none of corki's skills scale with attack speed. So the PD first item rush is just...kinda dumb. Rushing a LW could be good i suppose since the bears were pretty armor heavy, but iunno. I'm pretty darn sure he was doing a lot less damage/utility than if he went Triforce first or IE first or even BC first. Regi all butthurt at getting insulted. D: I would expect (again, not sure how the math works out exactly) that PD has more raw DPS per gold than Triforce, which makes it stronger if you're trying to kill tanks as opposed to burst squishies. He might be wanting to get either a TF or a PD early for the movespeed. Well, that's what I imagine his thought process could be... I'm not particlularly convinced about that build. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 08 2012 05:52 clickrush wrote: For example tiamat has one of the best AD/gold ratios. If you really just need quick and cheap AD and can make use of the regen and farmspeed it provides then you should buy it. Despite that fact you rarely see this item. Bolded the key word here. The problem is that most carries that would consider the item all have farming skills built into their kit--Riot made dead certain that almost every carry that would farm significantly enough to make use of Tiamat's farming power has some sort of AoE wave clearing spell on low cooldown, which makes the AoE autoattacking power of Tiamat far less useful. Completely unlike in DotA where you have carries with utility skills/steroids, but no AoE farm power, and thus need Battlefury or Radiance to pick up farming speed through midgame. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:37 tobi9999 wrote: what the fk lol Black Cleaver is like the worst item in the game, probably even worse than Nashor's Tooth. While I might not agree with it, I think Rain Man's logic is PD + LW gives more damage than PD + IE on voli/udyr/ryze while also being cheaper, and PD first is better than LW first. if that make sense what? black cleaver is pretty good imo on vayne or trynda. or if you are running a double AD comp. And regi about to cry any moment. We'll see how big of an impact such an argument is on a team in the next scrim. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:37 tobi9999 wrote: what the fk lol Black Cleaver is like the worst item in the game, probably even worse than Nashor's Tooth. While I might not agree with it, I think Rain Man's logic is PD + LW gives more damage than PD + IE on voli/udyr/ryze while also being cheaper, and PD first is better than LW first. if that make sense BC is really good with Corki because of its insane synergy with E. With E+BC you can give 2+ enemies on the enemy team ~100 armor reduction which is ridiculous. There is NO way PD+LW does more damage than PD+IE -.- unless voli/udyr/ryze all had 200+ armor, which they didnt. And you still haven't explained why PD first is better than LW first on Corki. Corki early-mid game is a nuker. Attack speed on him is nowhere near as good as raw AD in the early-mid game. PD first is BAD on Corki and most champs in general. Notice how TRM said himself that he did no damage and he didn't get any kills or basically contribute much to teamfights at all until he completed his LW. PD is a damage multiplier. It amplifies whatever existing damage you have from autoattacks. When you rush PD, you have no damage, and PD has nothing to amplify. It has higher raw dps than Triforce/IE only when you have a good chunk of AD. The reason why PD rush works on Tryn is because he already has high damage from Q and fury. | ||
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Shanba
Scotland144 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:39 spinesheath wrote: I would expect (again, not sure how the math works out exactly) that PD has more raw DPS per gold than Triforce, which makes it stronger if you're trying to kill tanks as opposed to burst squishies. He might be wanting to get either a TF or a PD early for the movespeed. Well, that's what I imagine his thought process could be... I'm not particlularly convinced about that build. If that's the thought process, then infinity edge has a much higher dps/gold cost than phantom dancer - and also scales up corki's e and r | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
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OreoBoi
Canada1639 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:43 BlackMagister wrote: Lol what is going on? They scrimmed. It sounds like they won judging from posts, but still they're arguing pretty hard. Didn't see the game though. Also lol TOO muted them. From what I gather, Reginald did something dumb. Xpecial says that it was dumb. Reginald is annoyed and offended because Xpecial said it was dumb. I personally think reginald is being a baby, especially after everyone in the house was called Xpecial gay yesterday. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:43 BlackMagister wrote: Lol what is going on? They scrimmed. It sounds like they won judging from posts, but still they're arguing pretty hard. Didn't see the game though. Also lol TOO muted them. Regi and Xspecial in an argument over Xspecial commenting on Regi's decision-making. Regi definitely fucked up, and is calling Xspecial out on it. They did win btw, incase you didn't find out yet. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:41 Shanba wrote: If that's the thought process, then infinity edge has a much higher dps/gold cost than phantom dancer - and also scales up corki's e and r But he might want the MSpd so badly that he HAS to get one of TF or PD. Can't think of a better reason lol. On January 08 2012 06:42 Two_DoWn wrote: Cleaver is only ever good if you are playing someone who picks a target and attacks them till they are dead. Someone like trynd or if you are playing glass cannon shaco. Or a Corki who plans to just kill the tanks who are running at him (together with Sivir, Cass and Sona). It would make sense. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
But yea, he needs to stfu, I muted stream already because I don't want to hear that shit. also, @DoXa there are situations where it's good, but honestly 95% of the time a bloodthirster would suit Vayne better. And for tryndamere, well... anything that is an AD item is good on that asshole. It's really strong for 1v1, but in teamfights, as Vayne if you hit someone 3 times to lower their armor, they're probably already dead, and if they aren't they're probably some beast target with Randuins where the -45 is negligible since your attack speed is halved. I haven't seen black cleaver Vayne on Chaox since like wriggles was 18%, and I haven't seen Doublelift do it ever. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
tsm doing dragon, ryze sneaks into the brush north of it, regi sees this. After dragon, oddone and xspecial are like totally oom, oddone didn't have enough for any of his abilities. I think chaox was heading back to bot. Rainman on his way coming down from midlane, flanking the ryze. Regi charges to the brush, ryze kills him, then tsm kill ryze. Regi complains that no one followed him up (2 guys oom) and they correctly point out his charge was stupid and he could just waited for rainman or told clearly ryze was in the brush as the other guys didn't see him go there. Then after game regi rages at xspecial for "always calling his plays dumb" and only his plays. Lot of raging and regi acting like a child, saying that calling that particular play of his dumb is calling him dumb and starts calling xspecial fucking dumb and all that good jazz and this goes on for 5-10 mins in circles. TLDR Regi raging at xspecial for nothing | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:47 spinesheath wrote: But he might want the MSpd so badly that he HAS to get one of TF or PD. Can't think of a better reason lol. Or a Corki who plans to just kill the tanks who are running at him (together with Sivir, Cass and Sona). It would make sense. Yea if he wanted the movespeed against voli/udyr I guess that makes sense but it's still kinda dumb build. Corki already has valk for escape so he shouldn't have mobility problems. Iunno. I can't see a universe where PD first on Corki is good unless you're playing all random all zeal. | ||
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