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On January 08 2012 06:46 OreoBoi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 06:43 BlackMagister wrote:
Lol what is going on? They scrimmed. It sounds like they won judging from posts, but still they're arguing pretty hard. Didn't see the game though. Also lol TOO muted them. From what I gather, Reginald did something dumb. Xpecial says that it was dumb. Reginald is annoyed and offended because Xpecial said it was dumb. I personally think reginald is being a baby, especially after everyone in the house was called Xpecial gay yesterday.
i dont watch regi's stream, but regi called oddone gay, homo, faggit, retard alot on oddone's stream
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On January 08 2012 06:40 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 05:52 clickrush wrote:
For example tiamat has one of the best AD/gold ratios. If you really just need quick and cheap AD and can make use of the regen and farmspeed it provides then you should buy it. Despite that fact you rarely see this item. Bolded the key word here. The problem is that most carries that would consider the item all have farming skills built into their kit--Riot made dead certain that almost every carry that would farm significantly enough to make use of Tiamat's farming power has some sort of AoE wave clearing spell on low cooldown, which makes the AoE autoattacking power of Tiamat far less useful. Completely unlike in DotA where you have carries with utility skills/steroids, but no AoE farm power, and thus need Battlefury or Radiance to pick up farming speed through midgame.
Tiamat Ezreal new meta
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Kind of sucks that they take criticism so personally. I wish teams would watch replays of their games to settle these sorts of debates. Few threads on Reddit about it already lol.
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LOL that Troll very well done
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Reg1nald trolling TSM M5 scrim
meanwhile I guess Regina1d is still raging in some corner as they're waiting
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On January 08 2012 06:42 Two_DoWn wrote:
Cleaver is only ever good if you are playing someone who picks a target and attacks them till they are dead. Someone like trynd or if you are playing glass cannon shaco.
Anyone know if china teams stopped rushing BC on Vayne? It seemed to be working well at dreamhack.
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Rainman breaking out the beast....
Captain Teemo on duty!
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On January 08 2012 06:37 tobi9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 06:33 Ryuu314 wrote:On January 08 2012 06:28 spinesheath wrote:Pretty awesome Cass+Sona ults together with insane DPS against 2 pure melees. I'd say TSM had good picks and some clutch teamfights. On January 08 2012 06:27 Ryuu314 wrote:On January 08 2012 06:22 Cloud9157 wrote:
Rainman did pretty well in that fight. Bursted down Ryze and dealt a shit load of damage. His build was pretty stupid imo. PD+IE Corki is decent, but TRM went PD first for some reason and then rushed a LW -.-; I'm not sure, but I guess TRM is maxing E fairly quickly with the intent of owning tanks. Which makes the choice of LW weird anyways. Not sure how the math works out on Corki, but I'd expect Black Cleaver to be the better choice especially if you consider that Corki wasn't the only AD. I mean...none of corki's skills scale with attack speed. So the PD first item rush is just...kinda dumb. Rushing a LW could be good i suppose since the bears were pretty armor heavy, but iunno. I'm pretty darn sure he was doing a lot less damage/utility than if he went Triforce first or IE first or even BC first. Regi all butthurt at getting insulted. D: what the fk lol Black Cleaver is like the worst item in the game, probably even worse than Nashor's Tooth. While I might not agree with it, I think Rain Man's logic is PD + LW gives more damage than PD + IE on voli/udyr/ryze while also being cheaper, and PD first is better than LW first. if that make sense EDIT: @Ryuu314: Okay, PD + Pickaxe is a bit less gold than Infinity Go into custom game with someone, go corki with pickaxe and PD vs Corki with just infinity. TL;DR of everything I say about Rain Man's build PD gives your damage than you think
Black cleaver is a great item, gives damage, attackspeed and arp arp. Just don't get it if your target has too much armour, but at a certain value(dont know da maths), it's better than last whisper and it's always better against lower armour squishies.
Someone did the math for it, can't remember who though.
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Could they jungle trynd and skarner top just to counter teemo?
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On January 08 2012 07:07 BlackMagister wrote:
Could they jungle trynd and skarner top just to counter teemo?
Hmmm, Skarner is really good against AD. But Teemo isn't really AD. And Teemo is ranged, whilst Skarner has trouble csing at range.
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On January 08 2012 07:10 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 07:07 BlackMagister wrote:
Could they jungle trynd and skarner top just to counter teemo? Hmmm, Skarner is really good against AD. But Teemo isn't really AD. And Teemo is ranged, whilst Skarner has trouble csing at range.
The point is, teemo poops on trynd, really hard.
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lol M5 running boots of swiftness, zeal before BF sword Ashe
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You don't build infinity edge first because it's the best single damage item. In fact, it's probably the worst one in the game if we're comparing the legendary items (unless you have horrible cooldowns for triforce). You build infinity edge because after you have a second or third big item nothing stands a chance of surpassing it since it scales better than anything else due to multiplicative gains.
Also, doesn't Teemo poop on Skarner pretty badly too?
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Is lanewick back in fashion? Had 2 games where he's been on enemy teams and he's fed off our top lane like fuck.
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Doesn't really seem like Teemo pooped on Tryndamere hard enough to be worth it.
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On January 08 2012 07:36 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
You don't build infinity edge first because it's the best single damage item. In fact, it's probably the worst one in the game if we're comparing the legendary items (unless you have horrible cooldowns for triforce). You build infinity edge because after you have a second or third big item nothing stands a chance of surpassing it since it scales better than anything else due to multiplicative gains.
Also, doesn't Teemo poop on Skarner pretty badly too?
Why would you build it first instead of 3rd then, when it only becomes good when you have 3 big items?
Though tbh I think the answer to that is that you get much more of a chance to store 1650 for a BF sword during laning phase. Saving for 1650 during laning isn't that big of an issue--saving 1650 during lategame means that you have to go for 1-2 fights without buying anything, which can make the difference between winning and losing those fights.
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Trynd has been able to largely ignore Teemo for quite awhile. It was worse before the slight Q nerfs, but overall he can still pretty much just farm while ignoring teemo's harass and then back off and heal back to full. Rinse and repeat.
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On January 08 2012 07:42 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 07:36 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
You don't build infinity edge first because it's the best single damage item. In fact, it's probably the worst one in the game if we're comparing the legendary items (unless you have horrible cooldowns for triforce). You build infinity edge because after you have a second or third big item nothing stands a chance of surpassing it since it scales better than anything else due to multiplicative gains.
Also, doesn't Teemo poop on Skarner pretty badly too? Why would you build it first instead of 3rd then, when it only becomes good when you have 3 big items? Though tbh I think the answer to that is that you get much more of a chance to store 1650 for a BF sword during laning phase. Saving for 1650 during laning isn't that big of an issue--saving 1650 during lategame means that you have to go for 1-2 fights without buying anything, which can make the difference between winning and losing those fights.
Because your top three damage items are probably IE PD and Last Whisper. Rushing a last whisper would only be useful if your enemies quickly stack armor which generally isn't the case. I've experimented a bit with rushing PD on Vayne and Kog'Maw since they have damage from other sources and can actually kill things with attack speed. I like it and almost always go PD first on Kog'Maw, but I only play Vayne on free week. One of the few ad carries I don't actually own yet ^_^
If you knew you were going to get IE PD BT, I think it'd be far more effective to rush the BT and then get the IE as your third item. However, it'd probably be impossible to plan ahead like that and if you end up delaying for a QSS or banshee or anything else you could end up in a really bad position where you're pretty far behind the other carry in terms of damage output if they went the IE route.
The BT is really interesting because it provides Lifesteal though. I like to rush a BT whenever I know their team is going to be gunning for me instead of IE regardless though.
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With vayne, just start with BC. The reduc armor is not the thing that really shine in this item, it's the attack speed that is needed for vayne to proc her passiv. Bloodthirster not that good for vayne as a 1rst item, flat dmg is not enough for her, you need atck speed a lot, cauz her passiv is so imba (korean accent directly from homestory cup).
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IE is the second single highest damage booster in the game behind deathcap.
The reason you get it first is because it boosts all of the stats you already have- any inherent damage, crit, or aspeed is multiplied by an IE. You dont need other items in front of it because you already have those stats. Not to mention that going PD first will only serve to give you a massive power lull- its a lot easier to stack stats BEHIND the multiplier than it is to get it last. How many people you see get dcap as a third item on ap casters.
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