EPTLess rage please. Xspecial is right. Bot told him Ryze was going back.
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Less rage please. Xspecial is right. Bot told him Ryze was going back. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On January 08 2012 05:52 clickrush wrote: I aggree when your saying that alot of considerations tend to be psychological (a general moba thing). In this case its mb also sth different. WotA has a pretty good ap/gold ratio which ppl ignored for a time. The aura effect is mostly considered as bad for soloq even if the item itself is costeffective and you need the stats. Aegis is another prime example. Generally I would say most ppl don't do the math at all. For example tiamat has one of the best AD/gold ratios. If you really just need quick and cheap AD and can make use of the regen and farmspeed it provides then you should buy it. Despite that fact you rarely see this item. Another problem is that ppl often don't consider buying a bunch of small-middle sized items because they 'clump up the inventory' and you 'delay the important stuff' despite their costeffectiveness, completely ignoring the fact that 99% of the games are decided way (WAY) before you have 5 major 3k+items. The same goes for consumables. Wether those are wards, buffs or pots: Consumables in LoL cost nothing and provide insane stats/utility. You should allways fill your inventory space with some of them. Popping a healing potion during a fight easily turns the tide. Having a great bunch more stats during 4minutes easily turns the tide. The <250g investment turns into dragons/kills/turrets and freefarm so easily. Haha I say you, if I only had decent decision making and better nerves I would be the best player out there  Most high level players are aware of which items are efficient, they just can't be bothered to try out wacky builds like Tiamat stacking or rushing Stark's. Stark's rush on Irelia is pretty decent although tbh you're better off with Wriggle's + Recurve if you're not going to be using the aura much. People do use potions, they just sometimes forget in the heat of the moment. And people do buy cheap, cost-effective items. Doran's stacking, Wriggles and Wit's End are all really popular. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:17 starfries wrote: Most high level players are aware of which items are efficient, they just can't be bothered to try out wacky builds like Tiamat stacking or rushing Stark's. Stark's rush on Irelia is pretty decent although tbh you're better off with Wriggle's + Recurve if you're not going to be using the aura much. People do use potions, they just sometimes forget in the heat of the moment. And people do buy cheap, cost-effective items. Doran's stacking, Wriggles and Wit's End are all really popular. teams are startin to grab starks more often now tho TRM's corki makes me sad :\ | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On January 08 2012 05:52 clickrush wrote: I aggree when your saying that alot of considerations tend to be psychological (a general moba thing). In this case its mb also sth different. WotA has a pretty good ap/gold ratio which ppl ignored for a time. The aura effect is mostly considered as bad for soloq even if the item itself is costeffective and you need the stats. Aegis is another prime example. Generally I would say most ppl don't do the math at all. For example tiamat has one of the best AD/gold ratios. If you really just need quick and cheap AD and can make use of the regen and farmspeed it provides then you should buy it. Despite that fact you rarely see this item. Another problem is that ppl often don't consider buying a bunch of small-middle sized items because they 'clump up the inventory' and you 'delay the important stuff' despite their costeffectiveness, completely ignoring the fact that 99% of the games are decided way (WAY) before you have 5 major 3k+items. The same goes for consumables. Wether those are wards, buffs or pots: Consumables in LoL cost nothing and provide insane stats/utility. You should allways fill your inventory space with some of them. Popping a healing potion during a fight easily turns the tide. Having a great bunch more stats during 4minutes easily turns the tide. The <250g investment turns into dragons/kills/turrets and freefarm so easily. Haha I say you, if I only had decent decision making and better nerves I would be the best player out there riot definitely has way better sense of champion balance than I think everyone on this forum... but they really don't seem to know what is up with their items at all. Ever since I saw wu thuong's spreadsheet it's been pretty simple picking out the next fotm item. You just go down the list and look at - Cost efficiency. Not exclusively significant but sometimes you can make the call just based on that number. - Resource generation. For example lifesteal and gold generation are both dangerous because they're prone to abuse. Mana on the other hand doesn't necessarily generate any real resource advantage. Infinite mana ezreal spamming Q every time it's up isn't that much better than ezreal just using Q when it's useful. On the other hand put a chalice on corki and you get an abusive pusher. So it's just down to whether the combination of stats generates continually greater resource advantage. - Ties into some other abusive mechanic. For example free spells with kennen + spellvamp. Kennen is fine without wota around and wota would be a lot less obviously stupid without heroes like kennen around, you put them together and the results are unfair. I think they don't have anyone on their staff who is like... a former professional tcg player or something. They don't seem to see engines clearly, for example when they look at nasus they obsess over his Q and ignore his passive. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
The only thing more aggressive then M5 is this end of the game ranting going on by some TSMplayers.. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:26 DoXa wrote: M5 lost it at baron IMO, and cassio is too strong vs Ryze Ryze lost it early on. Too much wandering and died to gank early on. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:22 Cloud9157 wrote: Rainman did pretty well in that fight. Bursted down Ryze and dealt a shit load of damage. His build was pretty stupid imo. PD+IE Corki is decent, but TRM went PD first for some reason and then rushed a LW -.-; | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:27 Ryuu314 wrote: His build was pretty stupid imo. PD+IE Corki is decent, but TRM went PD first for some reason and then rushed a LW -.-; I'm not sure, but I guess TRM is maxing E fairly quickly with the intent of owning tanks. Which makes the choice of LW weird anyways. Not sure how the math works out on Corki, but I'd expect Black Cleaver to be the better choice especially if you consider that Corki wasn't the only AD. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:27 Ryuu314 wrote: His build was pretty stupid imo. PD+IE Corki is decent, but TRM went PD first for some reason and then rushed a LW -.-; he always plays corki like that. dunno why | ||
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Hibzy
United Kingdom445 Posts
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
Argue/rage thoughout game, win Stay calm thoughout the game, lose EDIT: Also, PD first is completely viable if you run AD runes...... | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:28 spinesheath wrote: Pretty awesome Cass+Sona ults together with insane DPS against 2 pure melees. I'd say TSM had good picks and some clutch teamfights. I'm not sure, but I guess TRM is maxing E fairly quickly with the intent of owning tanks. Which makes the choice of LW weird anyways. Not sure how the math works out on Corki, but I'd expect Black Cleaver to be the better choice especially if you consider that Corki wasn't the only AD. I mean...none of corki's skills scale with attack speed. So the PD first item rush is just...kinda dumb. Rushing a LW could be good i suppose since the bears were pretty armor heavy, but iunno. I'm pretty darn sure he was doing a lot less damage/utility than if he went Triforce first or IE first or even BC first. Regi all butthurt at getting insulted. D: | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:32 tobi9999 wrote: TSM going CLG style Argue/rage thoughout game, win Stay calm thoughout the game, lose EDIT: Also, PD first is completely viable if you run AD runes...... ...+10 damage from AD runes let's you spend 2.6k on an item that gives no damage? Please explain...Corki doesn't scale off of attack speed early/mid game and crit chance is pretty shitty with just one PD and no real AD. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
I think Regi realizes it was stupid, but he just doesn't want to be told it. I think Xspecial needed to wait for after game to comment on the plays. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On January 08 2012 06:33 Ryuu314 wrote: I mean...none of corki's skills scale with attack speed. So the PD first item rush is just...kinda dumb. Rushing a LW could be good i suppose since the bears were pretty armor heavy, but iunno. I'm pretty darn sure he was doing a lot less damage/utility than if he went Triforce first or IE first or even BC first. Regi all butthurt at getting insulted. D: what the fk lol Black Cleaver is like the worst item in the game, probably even worse than Nashor's Tooth. While I might not agree with it, I think Rain Man's logic is PD + LW gives more damage than PD + IE on voli/udyr/ryze while also being cheaper, and PD first is better than LW first. if that make sense EDIT: @Ryuu314: Okay, PD + Pickaxe is a bit less gold than Infinity Go into custom game with someone, go corki with pickaxe and PD vs Corki with just infinity. TL;DR of everything I say about Rain Man's build PD gives your damage than you think | ||
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