On July 22 2012 02:33 Sorkoas wrote: I'm still waiting for the video evidence to back up your claims about humans having any chance whatsoever versus a Shepherd in good shape
Look at it rationally.
Physically trained men have strong arms, strong legs, strong upper and lower body. They're also very big compared to a dog (assuming 1m70+ 65-70+kg).
The shepherd has nothing but a strong jab and big teeth. They weight 30-35kg.
Assuming you don't kick and kill him right out the bat, only thing the shepherd would be able to do is bite a single of your arm or leg. And then it's up to you.
You either fall in pain or you overcome your pain and hit him strong in the face. The dog weighs 30-35 kg and has nothing but hits teeth. 2-3 hits in the face and the dog lose a teeth or is KO and the human wins.
This is not rational, as you have never fought a dog before.
Even if the dog is attacking another dog, 2-3 hits in the face does jack all. I've grabbed the collar and head of a dog (who was latched onto another dog) and kneed it 10 times in the face and it didn't do shit. Punched it in the nose, tried the entire kit and kaboodle of mythical places to hit that are supposedly painful to the dog and didn't do anything.
I told you one of my grandfather nearly killed a shepherd with a single kick. As said before, dogs weight 30-35kg and take all your hits with full strength since they can't block anything.
If you can't break up any dog's teeth with 10 legs shot, it's up to you to have a physical training.
Your story is based on the fact that he (as you said, a postman) has probably had encounters with dogs, and is ready for that sort of situation, the dog was not looking to kill, but rather to defend territory (probably), and he had special boots. Of course a precise, direct kick to the jaw of a dog will result in broken teeth/bones. However, with a standard person against a standard dog, I would go ahead and bet that even if you do land a clean shot (unlikely), your leg is going to be latched onto quite hard and the fight would become much different. And by different I mean a dog is now destroying a human.
If you can kick it when it lunges, it'll be lights out for the dog. Also, a dog can't bite if it's choking. An easy thing to do is to just stick your arm down it's throat. It won't be able to do anything besides whimper. As long as it doesn't take you down and trying to chew your face/neck, you should be fine.
On July 22 2012 00:34 Lysanias wrote: Let it bite your leg, grab it by the neck and chocke it to death. adrenaline ftw and a cornered human is serieusly scarry. Also dogs don't tend to let go very fast ones they get a hold of you, use it to your advantage.
Let it bite your leg? You'd pass out from the pain instantly.
Seriously though you know it's the internet when people think they have any chance in this fight.
You do not pass out instantly what mumbo jumbo is that your not fighting a lion that snaps your bones, as i said when that adrenaline get's pumping and your in shock pain is not a factor, a human's body can take imense punishment. It have to be very extreme for the pain to pass out. You will do more damage to that dog then you can imagine when it really mattered. On the other hand if your stupid enough to grab it's tail and let him bite you over and over ... well the dog wins.
On July 22 2012 03:26 nakedsurfer wrote: If you can kick it when it lunges, it'll be lights out for the dog. Also, a dog can't bite if it's choking. An easy thing to do is to just stick your arm down it's throat. It won't be able to do anything besides whimper. As long as it doesn't take you down and trying to chew your face/neck, you should be fine.
Human would win 85-90% of the time.
I really want to see you try that.
People without dogs often seem to think the could win, while people who actually own dogs favour the dog. Lets guess who is right?
On July 22 2012 02:33 Sorkoas wrote: I'm still waiting for the video evidence to back up your claims about humans having any chance whatsoever versus a Shepherd in good shape
I'm not sure if you're referring to one person in particular, but I'd also like to see video evidence backing the Shepherd > Human claim. Not that I would be surprised if I went either way, but if I had to guess without any results/evidence I would guess humans. I think most people are also just predicting and not saying they are positive it would go one way or the other.
On July 22 2012 02:33 Sorkoas wrote: I'm still waiting for the video evidence to back up your claims about humans having any chance whatsoever versus a Shepherd in good shape
Look at it rationally.
You're gonna be on the ground real fast, that's a given. In this position it's extremely hard to first of all even get a good hit on the dog but also getting any power with the hit (this is common sense for anyone with some fighting knowledge).
Then you weigh in the fact that have been stated over and over again, which is the dog biting your limb off (yes it can even bite through bones) and all physical and mental power you lose from this.
Also stated over and over again in this thread, the dog is most likely not gonna give a fuck about that punch, even if you injure it severely. They have a pain threshold way above humans, being able to overcome the pain itself and the thought of eventual death to then use it to its advantage. Very few humans got any of this without any previous experience or mental preparation and even if they do the mental block will still be there and if you somehow overcome it you're still very likely to get a big disadvantage from it.
Edit: lol this talk about kicks, the dog will charge at you in feel speed and jump at you. You're not gonna have any time to land a full power, clean kick in his face.
Here's a video of a dude going berserk with an axe in Sweden. They used a Shepherd to take him down instead of open gunfire. If he can't even hit with the axe how are you gonna hit with a slow ass kick?
On July 22 2012 03:26 nakedsurfer wrote: If you can kick it when it lunges, it'll be lights out for the dog. Also, a dog can't bite if it's choking. An easy thing to do is to just stick your arm down it's throat. It won't be able to do anything besides whimper. As long as it doesn't take you down and trying to chew your face/neck, you should be fine.
Human would win 85-90% of the time.
I really want to see you try that.
People without dogs often seem to think the could win, while people who actually own dogs favour the dog. Lets guess who is right?
My family owned german sheppards there entire life, i grew up with them, witnessed my dad doing police training with them fantastic dogs strong and brave. But a human will win.
On July 22 2012 02:33 Sorkoas wrote: I'm still waiting for the video evidence to back up your claims about humans having any chance whatsoever versus a Shepherd in good shape
I'm not sure if you're referring to one person in particular, but I'd also like to see video evidence backing the Shepherd > Human claim. Not that I would be surprised if I went either way, but if I had to guess without any results/evidence I would guess humans. I think most people are also just predicting and not saying they are positive it would go one way or the other.
On July 22 2012 02:33 Sorkoas wrote: I'm still waiting for the video evidence to back up your claims about humans having any chance whatsoever versus a Shepherd in good shape
Look at it rationally.
You're gonna be on the ground real fast, that's a given. In this position it's extremely hard to first of all even get a good hit on the dog but also getting any power with the hit (this is common sense for anyone with some fighting knowledge).
Then you weigh in the fact that have been stated over and over again, which is the dog biting your limb off (yes it can even bite through bones) and all physical and mental power you lose from this.
Also stated over and over again in this thread, the dog is most likely not gonna give a fuck about that punch, even if you injure it severely. They have a pain threshold way above humans, being able to overcome the pain itself and the thought of eventual death to then use it to its advantage. Very few humans got any of this without any previous experience or mental preparation and even if they do the mental block will still be there and if you somehow overcome it you're still very likely to get a big disadvantage from it.
Edit: lol this talk about kicks, the dog will charge at you in feel speed and jump at you. You're not gonna have any time to land a full power, clean kick in his face.
Here's a video of a dude going berserk with an axe in Sweden. They used a Shepherd to take him down instead of open gunfire. If he can't even hit with the axe how are you gonna hit with a slow ass kick? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2C3Ft2GVxI
What are you talking about? An axe is added weight. Of course its gonna be slower than a kick. Its also at hand level while a kick is down at dog level, much harder to hit with an axe than a kick. Third, LOL, you use the fact that they dont use guns on the dude as support? Are you arguing that a dog > gun? Its pretty obvious that they didn't want to kill the guy and a gun has a much higher chance of that than a dog.
On July 22 2012 03:26 nakedsurfer wrote: If you can kick it when it lunges, it'll be lights out for the dog. Also, a dog can't bite if it's choking. An easy thing to do is to just stick your arm down it's throat. It won't be able to do anything besides whimper. As long as it doesn't take you down and trying to chew your face/neck, you should be fine.
Human would win 85-90% of the time.
I really want to see you try that.
People without dogs often seem to think the could win, while people who actually own dogs favour the dog. Lets guess who is right?
My post was speaking from experience i own a 3 year old German shepard and walk my dog regularly. Just 6 months ago me and my German shepard were attacked by 2 pitbullls.I released my dog and helped him how i could in the process i took a bite on my right forearm with 4 deep punture wounds luckily for me he was going after my dog and not me so he released imedietly. once he did i simply reached my hand down his throat and it just sat there gaging the dog's owner showed up promptly and tackled the other to the ground. In that situation you should almsot always just leave your dog and let them fight it out helping your dog is not worth your life. In a 1v1 fight a healthy average human male will win the fight 90-95% of the time but generally you should NEVER try to be in that situation.
On July 22 2012 02:33 Sorkoas wrote: I'm still waiting for the video evidence to back up your claims about humans having any chance whatsoever versus a Shepherd in good shape
Look at it rationally.
Physically trained men have strong arms, strong legs, strong upper and lower body. They're also very big compared to a dog (assuming 1m70+ 65-70+kg).
The shepherd has nothing but a strong jab and big teeth. They weight 30-35kg.
Assuming you don't kick and kill him right out the bat, only thing the shepherd would be able to do is bite a single of your arm or leg. And then it's up to you.
You either fall in pain or you overcome your pain and hit him strong in the face. The dog weighs 30-35 kg and has nothing but hits teeth. 2-3 hits in the face and the dog lose a teeth or is KO and the human wins.
This is not rational, as you have never fought a dog before.
Even if the dog is attacking another dog, 2-3 hits in the face does jack all. I've grabbed the collar and head of a dog (who was latched onto another dog) and kneed it 10 times in the face and it didn't do shit. Punched it in the nose, tried the entire kit and kaboodle of mythical places to hit that are supposedly painful to the dog and didn't do anything.
I told you one of my grandfather nearly killed a shepherd with a single kick. As said before, dogs weight 30-35kg and take all your hits with full strength since they can't block anything.
If you can't break up any dog's teeth with 10 legs shot, it's up to you to have a physical training.
Your story is based on the fact that he (as you said, a postman) has probably had encounters with dogs, and is ready for that sort of situation, the dog was not looking to kill, but rather to defend territory (probably), and he had special boots. Of course a precise, direct kick to the jaw of a dog will result in broken teeth/bones. However, with a standard person against a standard dog, I would go ahead and bet that even if you do land a clean shot (unlikely), your leg is going to be latched onto quite hard and the fight would become much different. And by different I mean a dog is now destroying a human.
I think by "normal" man, you're assuming a white collar man who never experienced any serious physical pain nor ever had any serious physical activities. A Kespa BW player for instance. By these standards, yes, the guy would be devoured alive, I aggreed on that. Not because he is physically inferior to the dog (in term of potential he is by far superior), but because he is untrained to inflicting and particullary enduring pain, a bit like an animal in captivity.
By the way, the german shepherd which was killed by my grandfather (it ended up dying) charged him, so it was with a clear intention of killing. And the special boots were ranger type of boot, nothing really extreme.
On July 22 2012 02:33 Sorkoas wrote: I'm still waiting for the video evidence to back up your claims about humans having any chance whatsoever versus a Shepherd in good shape
I'm not sure if you're referring to one person in particular, but I'd also like to see video evidence backing the Shepherd > Human claim. Not that I would be surprised if I went either way, but if I had to guess without any results/evidence I would guess humans. I think most people are also just predicting and not saying they are positive it would go one way or the other.
On July 22 2012 02:33 Sorkoas wrote: I'm still waiting for the video evidence to back up your claims about humans having any chance whatsoever versus a Shepherd in good shape
Look at it rationally.
You're gonna be on the ground real fast, that's a given. In this position it's extremely hard to first of all even get a good hit on the dog but also getting any power with the hit (this is common sense for anyone with some fighting knowledge).
Then you weigh in the fact that have been stated over and over again, which is the dog biting your limb off (yes it can even bite through bones) and all physical and mental power you lose from this.
Also stated over and over again in this thread, the dog is most likely not gonna give a fuck about that punch, even if you injure it severely. They have a pain threshold way above humans, being able to overcome the pain itself and the thought of eventual death to then use it to its advantage. Very few humans got any of this without any previous experience or mental preparation and even if they do the mental block will still be there and if you somehow overcome it you're still very likely to get a big disadvantage from it.
Edit: lol this talk about kicks, the dog will charge at you in feel speed and jump at you. You're not gonna have any time to land a full power, clean kick in his face.
Here's a video of a dude going berserk with an axe in Sweden. They used a Shepherd to take him down instead of open gunfire. If he can't even hit with the axe how are you gonna hit with a slow ass kick? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2C3Ft2GVxI
What are you talking about? An axe is added weight. Of course its gonna be slower than a kick. Its also at hand level while a kick is down at dog level, much harder to hit with an axe than a kick. Third, LOL, you use the fact that they dont use guns on the dude as support? Are you arguing that a dog > gun? Its pretty obvious that they didn't want to kill the guy and a gun has a much higher chance of that than a dog.
I agree to disagree with your LOL'ing. It's not a freaking argument, it's explaining the video.
I used to be a pitbull owner. From my experince, dogs are insanely strong, but a smart enough human should win. Dogs naturally latch on and generally aim for the throat. If you can avoid it tearing your throat off all you have to do is choke it out and its over for the dog.
On May 26 2008 09:53 Jonoman92 wrote: Wow I can't beleive so many people think they could kill a german shepard attacking you before it killed you. You'd be so fucked. I bet my 40 pound mixed breed could give me a run for my money.
I think that the human would win, just because of the size advantage. It could go either way, though, and if the dog gets on top of the person I could see it ripping the person's face off without the person being able to really displace the dog.
My opinion: My height is 187~ and weight about 86-7. I dont feel smaller or bigger than other dudes in my city(Lithuania, KLP). So lets say average height and weight is about 185 and 85.
Average Sheppard weights about 30-35(with biggest and best trained would weight 40). So lets say average weight is about 33kilos.
So average human male is almost 3times the weight as average Sheppard, both being pretty much untrained, except human wearing normal clothes and boots, i dont really see much chance for dog if human just charges dog straight up and pins him to the ground, dog instinct would be to charge to and he wouldnt try to dodge, since he isnt trained or anything. Btw just the other day me and other dude was carrying refrigirator that weighted about 90killos and it wasnt really any problem for us, even though we never trained in weights or anything, i really dont think i would have much problem in charging 33kilo dog and pinning him down.
Also dont give me shit about some trained/massive dogs, ofcourse they could destroy normal human male.but there are human males that are 200cm and weight 120+killos and well trained in martial arts.
On July 22 2012 02:33 Sorkoas wrote: I'm still waiting for the video evidence to back up your claims about humans having any chance whatsoever versus a Shepherd in good shape
I'm not sure if you're referring to one person in particular, but I'd also like to see video evidence backing the Shepherd > Human claim. Not that I would be surprised if I went either way, but if I had to guess without any results/evidence I would guess humans. I think most people are also just predicting and not saying they are positive it would go one way or the other.
On July 22 2012 02:33 Sorkoas wrote: I'm still waiting for the video evidence to back up your claims about humans having any chance whatsoever versus a Shepherd in good shape
Look at it rationally.
You're gonna be on the ground real fast, that's a given. In this position it's extremely hard to first of all even get a good hit on the dog but also getting any power with the hit (this is common sense for anyone with some fighting knowledge).
Then you weigh in the fact that have been stated over and over again, which is the dog biting your limb off (yes it can even bite through bones) and all physical and mental power you lose from this.
Also stated over and over again in this thread, the dog is most likely not gonna give a fuck about that punch, even if you injure it severely. They have a pain threshold way above humans, being able to overcome the pain itself and the thought of eventual death to then use it to its advantage. Very few humans got any of this without any previous experience or mental preparation and even if they do the mental block will still be there and if you somehow overcome it you're still very likely to get a big disadvantage from it.
Edit: lol this talk about kicks, the dog will charge at you in feel speed and jump at you. You're not gonna have any time to land a full power, clean kick in his face.
Here's a video of a dude going berserk with an axe in Sweden. They used a Shepherd to take him down instead of open gunfire. If he can't even hit with the axe how are you gonna hit with a slow ass kick? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2C3Ft2GVxI
In the video the dog didn't win, it just kept him there until the police got to him and hit him in the head, no telling what could have happened after that. Though i guess that dog isn't trained to kill (go for the throat etc), but neither was that skinny lunatic. He choice of how to fught the dog sucked.
Kicking would work i would bet, especially front kick with shoes on, since if you don't get a clean hit you're still gonna push him off. Once you are on the ground it's definitely not impossible to win unless he got your throat, face or head. The dog is weaker than you and wheighs considerably less, you will be able to overpower him and pin him down if you can get a hold of him (wich you will unless he loosens his bite, wich im gonna bet he wont). If you can pin him down you might eb able to choke him out.
I think you are severly underastimating a how much pain a human being can take in "fight mode". A dog getting hold of a limb probably won't be enough for most people to lose mental and physcial power, if the human being is alreadpy prepared to "fight to the death", it more likely will strenghten you.
That being said i think most people would lose to a dog. 90% of all women and children. But when it comes to a full grown man in shape and familiar with what tactics would work i'd bet on the man most of the times.
Rekrul is exactly right, don't attempet to deflect hte attack, jsut fouc on contorling the neck of the dog, lock and hold- the scratches will do minimal dmaages only the dogs bite would be a threat and with neck/head contorl the human couldn't lose. (or should I say shouldn't)
On July 22 2012 02:33 Sorkoas wrote: I'm still waiting for the video evidence to back up your claims about humans having any chance whatsoever versus a Shepherd in good shape
I'm not sure if you're referring to one person in particular, but I'd also like to see video evidence backing the Shepherd > Human claim. Not that I would be surprised if I went either way, but if I had to guess without any results/evidence I would guess humans. I think most people are also just predicting and not saying they are positive it would go one way or the other.
No video, but there have been many anecdotal stories of dog fights (including mine) that shows its almost impossible to beat a dog.
Find a padded wall and punch and kick it continuously as hard as you can for about ten minutes, the amount of damage you have done to the wall will be the amount of damage you have done effectively to the dog. Whether or not you broke their ribs or cracked their skull doesn't matter it doesn't affect their ability to attack you in anyway.
You actually need a lot of technique and experience to take down a dog. Something of which an average human could not do, and even if he knew, couldn't do (e.g choking the dog, or grabbing the legs and splitting them).
On July 22 2012 02:51 SiroKO wrote:
On July 22 2012 02:33 Sorkoas wrote: I'm still waiting for the video evidence to back up your claims about humans having any chance whatsoever versus a Shepherd in good shape
Look at it rationally.
Physically trained men have strong arms, strong legs, strong upper and lower body. They're also very big compared to a dog (assuming 1m70+ 65-70+kg).
The shepherd has nothing but a strong jab and big teeth. They weight 30-35kg.
Assuming you don't kick and kill him right out the bat, only thing the shepherd would be able to do is bite a single of your arm or leg. And then it's up to you.
You either fall in pain or you overcome your pain and hit him strong in the face. The dog weighs 30-35 kg and has nothing but hits teeth. 2-3 hits in the face and the dog lose a teeth or is KO and the human wins.
This is not rational, as you have never fought a dog before.
Even if the dog is attacking another dog, 2-3 hits in the face does jack all. I've grabbed the collar and head of a dog (who was latched onto another dog) and kneed it 10 times in the face and it didn't do shit. Punched it in the nose, tried the entire kit and kaboodle of mythical places to hit that are supposedly painful to the dog and didn't do anything.
Are we talking about dogs or zombi dogs ? This is other nonsense that you dont do much to a dog if you punch or kick it, you do the same damage as you would do to a human ... maybe even more because humans would try to use hands/feet to block the punches kicks while the dog would take the full bront of the force. If you want a dog to let go frpm someone/something you come up from behind and use your elbow joint (is it called that ?) to choke the dog.
I've tried to beat the shit out of a staffy before with kicks/knees/punches, it literally did nothing while it was ripping apart my dog. I used to be a state level soccer player and have a pretty strong kick, amounted to nothing when I free kicked a large dog square in the ribs.
Once dogs go feral, they become zombie dogs. One guy on this forum said that he stabbed a dog in the neck with a screwdriver and still he had to kick it hard with steel capped boots before it walked 20ft and fell over. It was also in bad health already and not a german shepard.
I dunno if someone already mentionned that but (as far as I know) law enforcement and military dogs are mostly used to immobilize you, they don't go for the kill unless they are told to.
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