EPT[Poll] Dog vs. Human - Page 15
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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Hurricane
United States3939 Posts
On May 27 2008 03:07 KaasZerg wrote: It is almost impossible to break a dogs neck. A dogs neck is more robust then a humans. And breaking a mans neck is only ez in bad kung fu movies. O RLY? Yes it's hard to break a neck by pushing it back and forth or side to side, but if you twist it it's done. EDIT: I'm not thinking this through very well, but twisting a neck basically owns. | ||
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
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Funchucks
Canada2113 Posts
Full nelson FTW. Makes me think of the most loltastic moment from the original Tarzan novel. Dude kills a lion with a full nelson. | ||
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T-P-S
United States204 Posts
German Shepards aren't some stupid small dog, they aren't weak and they aren't light. There's a reason they were listed in the top ten best guard dogs by that previous link. Even an average, mostly untrained dog can go totally psycho. I'm inclined to believe that anyone who thinks that they'd just keep their cool, ignore the pain, and break it's neck are severely deluded as to what it'd be like to fight a German Shepard. For that monkey story: Jacco the monkey had a club and we all know that apes and monkeys are deceptively strong for their size. (See man vs. beast thread) I'm not saying that the dog could just tear up a person every time. I'm saying that it is definitely not easy for an average person to kill an average German Shepard. Because the average person has probably zero self-defense training, I think it'd boil down to luck more than any other factor. | ||
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taktak
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T-P-S
United States204 Posts
On May 27 2008 03:53 taktak wrote: Jacco Macacco hadn't a club, the first one in this article had Ah, you're right. But he also never fought a dog over 20lbs. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
We're fighting dogs half our weight. Not that I disagree with the rest of your post =P | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
Unless you roll over and wait for the dog to kill you the human is gonna win. You protect your neck and eventually you can use the weight advantage to overcome the dog. Even if the dog is going fuckin insane, so will the human, and the human going frickin crazy has the potential to do alot more damage than the dog. | ||
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pokeyAA
United States936 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32282 Posts
On May 26 2008 21:54 CubEdIn wrote: Lol, so now average means girls and what not. I think it was pretty clear that the op meant an average male, and average males are healthy around here I was the one who started the discussion in IRC with 2 more people so don't tell me what the OP means. Also the title says Dog vs Human, not dog vs male, or dog vs fit male. If I want a good average meassure of the fighting outcome i throw a random dogs (female and male) into the pool vs random humans, fat, fit, thin, girls, boys anything and take notes of the outcome. If everyone in your town is bruce lee i don't care. Check any data on the average size of man or the average state of men (probably near 50% or more of the worlds populations on semi-wealthy countries is fat). edit: lol. | ||
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
But a good portion of people could in fact kill any attacking GS. Though they will fuck you up bad and put up a good goddamn fight. | ||
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EGoldman
United States110 Posts
On May 27 2008 01:45 Hurricane wrote: You can't just turn on adrenaline. It kicks in when your mind realizes that either you or someone you're willing to die for is in a life threatening situation. Losing your lunch money isn't a life threatening situation. Even if it was and the little nerd goes ape shit on a massive bully, then the bully's adrenaline kicks in and he beats the shit out of the little kid. Why are we higher up in the food chain? Because we are SMARTER THAN DOGS. Dog's ignore pain and do what they know in fights; they attack. They're going to ignore any pain you inflict, thus letting you break the shit it needs to kill you. Also, have you ever seen a dog strafe? No. You know why? They can't. They don't have the balance or the joints to move sideways effectively, unlike us. Yeah, pretty much, its a bite fest and the stronger dog lives. Hurricane, I advise you not to debate if you don't have any actual knowledge. Adrenaline kicks in any time there is danger. Everyone gets a shot of adrenaline when they get beat up. And your reasoning of "the bully gets adrenaline too" says nothing. Because that's exactly my point. Dogs have adrenaline too. Second, what part of a fight requires real intellectual/cerebral thinking? Do you have experience fighting? If not, please stop talking. Most all fighting is instinctive. It's not a "hmm... I believe I will go with the roundhouse kick stratagem now! While ambushes, using hidden weapons etc. is a form of thinking, the situation devised by the OP is NOT. It's a blank room where a man and dog are set loose on each other. Sorry, brain power doesn't come into this equation. You seriously just have no clue what you're talking about. Dogs ignore pain?? lol. Have I seen a dog strafe? rofl. YES. I have. I've seen a wolfhound move so fast that it ran past a guy, managed to tear the man's thick denim jeans open, and leave a copiously bleeding wound across the man's thigh, all before the guy had enough time to even realize what had happened. The dog was 10 yards down the road, and the man was screaming his head off, collapsed on the floor. You don't know what you're talking about. I can't stress that enough. And your description of dog fights as a bite fest is laughable. Only among the most untrained, pathetic house dogs scrapping in the park because their owners got their leashes tangled would you see dogs fight in that manner. Maybe puppies too. Maybe to your untrained and slow as hell eyes it looks like a bite fest, but that's just because they're moving a lot faster than your average soft suburban American. | ||
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pokeyAA
United States936 Posts
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Funchucks
Canada2113 Posts
On May 27 2008 04:49 IntoTheWow wrote: I was the one who started the discussion in IRC with 2 more people so don't tell me what the OP means. Also the title says Dog vs Human, not dog vs male, or dog vs fit male. If I want a good average meassure of the fighting outcome i throw a random dogs (female and male) into the pool vs random humans, fat, fit, thin, girls, boys anything and take notes of the outcome. You're just stacking the cards to counterfeit some social validation of your opinion from some previous conversation, so you can feel like you've "won." You want to take a strong example of a powerful breed of dog in its prime, which has been specially prepared somehow so that it will attack a human without reluctance or fear, and then you want to put it up against some impossible "average" of human traits across the range of quadruplegics to sumo wrestlers. While we're at it, how about we average the human states of readiness? I mean, people spend about 1/3rd of their time sleeping, so let's just add 33% to the win probability of the dog, to account for the times when it will just be able to tear out the throat of its sleeping opponent. And really, a properly prepared german shepard attacking a human will usually be backed up by a couple of policemen with guns. Why should we omit these essential adjuncts? I mean, obviously, this is the kind of contest that is meant when somebody says, "I wonder who would win, if a man fights a german shepard." | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32282 Posts
On May 27 2008 05:24 Funchucks wrote: While we're at it, how about we average the human states of readiness? I mean, people spend about 1/3rd of their time sleeping, so let's just add 33% to the win probability of the dog, to account for the times when it will just be able to tear out the throat of its sleeping opponent. Your """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""funny"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" counter-analogies don't work because dogs sleep too (believe it or not). I discussed this already with people on irc way before the thread was done, you can ask for the logs, I have been saying exactly the same things. edit: my experiment on the other hand is totally acceptable and it's of common use when wanting scientific proof of something. The more random tests you ran, the more close to average your results will be. It's a matter of probability. | ||
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Hurricane
United States3939 Posts
On May 27 2008 05:05 EGoldman wrote: Hurricane, I advise you not to debate if you don't have any actual knowledge. Adrenaline kicks in any time there is danger. Everyone gets a shot of adrenaline when they get beat up. And your reasoning of "the bully gets adrenaline too" says nothing. Because that's exactly my point. Dogs have adrenaline too. This makes no sense. Yeah dogs have adrenaline, and so do we. Since we start off better than dogs, then they get a boost, and we do too, we're back on top. WTF are you trying to say? Second, what part of a fight requires real intellectual/cerebral thinking? Do you have experience fighting? If not, please stop talking. Most all fighting is instinctive. It's not a "hmm... I believe I will go with the roundhouse kick stratagem now! While ambushes, using hidden weapons etc. is a form of thinking, the situation devised by the OP is NOT. It's a blank room where a man and dog are set loose on each other. Sorry, brain power doesn't come into this equation. Just because you're in a room doesn't mean you lose the ability to think. No fighting is not as simple as "oh I'm going to do a roundhouse now" but it is rare that you are fighting with such rage that you can't think. We have the ability to process what is happening and react. Yeah we're not able to make the absolute best decision in the time frame given, but we are able to come up with a counter to whats happening. You seriously just have no clue what you're talking about. Dogs ignore pain?? lol. Have I seen a dog strafe? rofl. YES. I have. I've seen a wolfhound move so fast that it ran past a guy, managed to tear the man's thick denim jeans open, and leave a copiously bleeding wound across the man's thigh, all before the guy had enough time to even realize what had happened. The dog was 10 yards down the road, and the man was screaming his head off, collapsed on the floor. So running behind someone and turning around sideways is strafing? no. Also, you're situation makes no sense. A dog ran up and ripped a guys jeans off before he knew what was happening? Yay? wtf does this imply other than the dog was fast and the guy was confused. | ||
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BaDayOri
Korea (South)469 Posts
On May 27 2008 02:45 Slayer91 wrote: You guys obviously haven't been around dogs much. Unless it was one of the very biggest and best dogs in terms of fighting you could lose. But those guys aren't that strong, even large ones. You could simply RIP his jaws open and dislocate them and he'd be pretty much powerless, all you have to protect really is your neck. Dogs might seem scary and all but if you are any bit as fearless as them you'd rape them up good. EDIT: 4 legs makes it WAY harder to turn and dodge, but better for running. If it is some huge strong dog (mastiff of some kind) and well trained it can't be fair to fight him with an "average human". I'd like to see any dog stand 20 seconds alive against a half trained martial artist. A dog should not be able to knock you over since you have so much more weight, you should be able to knock THEM over, especially as they don't have that much strength if they only are standing on 2 feet. Just when they rear up push them back with your hands and the rest of your body. why don't you let a pitbull, rottweiler, or german shepard grab onto your leg and see how easily you can rip its jaws open lmfao EDIT: reading your edit, I would really like to see you go up against a full grown German Shepard..see how easily you can "push them back with your hands" | ||
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WildMongrel
Canada30 Posts
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