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Funchucks
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada2113 Posts
May 26 2008 20:51 GMT
#301
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4489792.stm

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Poll: Man vs. Squirrels?
(Vote): Squirrels
(Vote): Man
I serve my houseguests slices of butter.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
May 26 2008 20:55 GMT
#302
person should crush
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
May 26 2008 21:12 GMT
#303
Man kills bear with dog's help

Man + Dog > Bear

Cat kills dog; man kills cat

Cat > Dog -> ergo -> Man > Cat

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Elite00fm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States548 Posts
May 26 2008 21:18 GMT
#304
A German Shepard that is intent on killing an average person (let's say 5'10 170 lbs?) would probably succeed. My great grandfather used to breed german shepards and they were actually confiscated by the gestapo (nazis!) to guard/hunt/kill people. People act like, "yeah i could easily aim a powerful into the diaphragm of a dog running towards me at 30mph and jumping 5 feet in the air at my throat/chest area and easily stop his heart, one shotting him." The dog WILL knock you over because of the speed they will lunge at you, i mean F=MV or something right? (havent taken physics in several years lol), and don't even act like you are going to freaking matrix dodge the dog and somehow "wrap your shirt around its snout then proceed to kill it," which is easily the most retarded thing anyone could say. You would be lunged at, knocked down, then the dog would proceed to bite your face/neck and you would die, oh and by the way german shepards bite hard enough to break bone, so have fun "shrugging off the pain" and then proceed to use your shattered limb to somehow beat a well muscled 80 pound dog to death while it is ripping your face off.

It is true though that a larger than average person who is quite strong, like 220+ and over 6 foot who knows how to fight would stand a better chance, I don't see an "average" person standing a chance against a german shepard trying to kill you.
Tinithor
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-26 21:25:01
May 26 2008 21:24 GMT
#305
All of you guys voting dog are acting like Dogs today are super demon beasts of death....

Average dogs are not...

EDIT: And im not saying that humans would get away unscathed or anything. It would be bloody and messy and painful but the human would come out on top in the end.
"Oh-My-GOD" ... "Is many mutas, Yes?"
EGoldman
Profile Joined May 2008
United States110 Posts
May 26 2008 21:25 GMT
#306
On May 27 2008 05:30 Hurricane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2008 05:05 EGoldman wrote:
Hurricane, I advise you not to debate if you don't have any actual knowledge. Adrenaline kicks in any time there is danger. Everyone gets a shot of adrenaline when they get beat up. And your reasoning of "the bully gets adrenaline too" says nothing. Because that's exactly my point. Dogs have adrenaline too.


This makes no sense. Yeah dogs have adrenaline, and so do we. Since we start off better than dogs, then they get a boost, and we do too, we're back on top. WTF are you trying to say?

Show nested quote +
Second, what part of a fight requires real intellectual/cerebral thinking? Do you have experience fighting? If not, please stop talking. Most all fighting is instinctive. It's not a "hmm... I believe I will go with the roundhouse kick stratagem now! While ambushes, using hidden weapons etc. is a form of thinking, the situation devised by the OP is NOT. It's a blank room where a man and dog are set loose on each other. Sorry, brain power doesn't come into this equation.


Just because you're in a room doesn't mean you lose the ability to think. No fighting is not as simple as "oh I'm going to do a roundhouse now" but it is rare that you are fighting with such rage that you can't think. We have the ability to process what is happening and react. Yeah we're not able to make the absolute best decision in the time frame given, but we are able to come up with a counter to whats happening.

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You seriously just have no clue what you're talking about. Dogs ignore pain?? lol. Have I seen a dog strafe? rofl. YES. I have. I've seen a wolfhound move so fast that it ran past a guy, managed to tear the man's thick denim jeans open, and leave a copiously bleeding wound across the man's thigh, all before the guy had enough time to even realize what had happened. The dog was 10 yards down the road, and the man was screaming his head off, collapsed on the floor.


So running behind someone and turning around sideways is strafing? no. Also, you're situation makes no sense. A dog ran up and ripped a guys jeans off before he knew what was happening? Yay? wtf does this imply other than the dog was fast and the guy was confused.



Hurricane, like I said before, if you don't know what you're talking about stop talking. It's obvious by now that you have not had much (if any) fighting experience. Stop trying to trash talk to somehow "win" the argument with specious debating. Humans aren't "better off than dogs."

Lol ability to process what is happening and react. And dogs can't? Have you ever even come in contact with a dog? Even a freaking shrimp knows how to dodge and run away from danger. What kind of intelligence are you talking about? A dog is quite capable of thinking and acting in a fight. They are not so dumb as to just mindlessly berserk on a person.

You don't know the concept of strafing. Strafing is to run past someone in a direct line, and launch an attack while moving along that vector. That is exactly what a dog can do. That is exactly the tactic behind pack hunting. Just go away already.
EGoldman
Profile Joined May 2008
United States110 Posts
May 26 2008 21:28 GMT
#307
On May 27 2008 06:18 Elite00fm wrote:
A German Shepard that is intent on killing an average person (let's say 5'10 170 lbs?) would probably succeed. My great grandfather used to breed german shepards and they were actually confiscated by the gestapo (nazis!) to guard/hunt/kill people. People act like, "yeah i could easily aim a powerful into the diaphragm of a dog running towards me at 30mph and jumping 5 feet in the air at my throat/chest area and easily stop his heart, one shotting him." The dog WILL knock you over because of the speed they will lunge at you, i mean F=MV or something right? (havent taken physics in several years lol), and don't even act like you are going to freaking matrix dodge the dog and somehow "wrap your shirt around its snout then proceed to kill it," which is easily the most retarded thing anyone could say. You would be lunged at, knocked down, then the dog would proceed to bite your face/neck and you would die, oh and by the way german shepards bite hard enough to break bone, so have fun "shrugging off the pain" and then proceed to use your shattered limb to somehow beat a well muscled 80 pound dog to death while it is ripping your face off.

It is true though that a larger than average person who is quite strong, like 220+ and over 6 foot who knows how to fight would stand a better chance, I don't see an "average" person standing a chance against a german shepard trying to kill you.


ROFL. Notice the people debating that dogs stand a very good chance versus a human are the ones who relate real experiences and concrete details in their explanations.

Then note the ones who like to "theory craft" and say inane things like "dude I weigh more, I'd punch that dog!" They're probably the same kids who get in fights behind school and just charge at each other waving their fists in the air XD
alphafuzard
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1610 Posts
May 26 2008 21:38 GMT
#308
haha people can get so outraged over something so silly
<3 tl!!!
but seriously, voted dog
i wrestle my lab and he is feisty, if he started biting, i would be screwed
more weight
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-26 21:44:12
May 26 2008 21:38 GMT
#309
On May 27 2008 06:28 EGoldman wrote:
ROFL. Notice the people debating that dogs stand a very good chance versus a human are the ones who relate real experiences and concrete details in their explanations.

Then note the ones who like to "theory craft" and say inane things like "dude I weigh more, I'd punch that dog!" They're probably the same kids who get in fights behind school and just charge at each other waving their fists in the air XD


It's e-penis. Internet humans can kill everything with their bare hands even lions and dinosaurs. Well, it's unstandable that people get defensive if humans was shown in a way that is seen as inferior to animals. It's human nature.

From my experience with big dogs, if they slightly bump into me, it feels the same as a human 2 hand pushing me. That's enough to convince me, human = gg.
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
May 26 2008 21:39 GMT
#310
On May 27 2008 06:28 EGoldman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2008 06:18 Elite00fm wrote:
A German Shepard that is intent on killing an average person (let's say 5'10 170 lbs?) would probably succeed. My great grandfather used to breed german shepards and they were actually confiscated by the gestapo (nazis!) to guard/hunt/kill people. People act like, "yeah i could easily aim a powerful into the diaphragm of a dog running towards me at 30mph and jumping 5 feet in the air at my throat/chest area and easily stop his heart, one shotting him." The dog WILL knock you over because of the speed they will lunge at you, i mean F=MV or something right? (havent taken physics in several years lol), and don't even act like you are going to freaking matrix dodge the dog and somehow "wrap your shirt around its snout then proceed to kill it," which is easily the most retarded thing anyone could say. You would be lunged at, knocked down, then the dog would proceed to bite your face/neck and you would die, oh and by the way german shepards bite hard enough to break bone, so have fun "shrugging off the pain" and then proceed to use your shattered limb to somehow beat a well muscled 80 pound dog to death while it is ripping your face off.

It is true though that a larger than average person who is quite strong, like 220+ and over 6 foot who knows how to fight would stand a better chance, I don't see an "average" person standing a chance against a german shepard trying to kill you.


ROFL. Notice the people debating that dogs stand a very good chance versus a human are the ones who relate real experiences and concrete details in their explanations.

Then note the ones who like to "theory craft" and say inane things like "dude I weigh more, I'd punch that dog!" They're probably the same kids who get in fights behind school and just charge at each other waving their fists in the air XD

Fuck that, I grew up with 4 dogs, I know what they're capable of and I know I can kill one with ease. (these aren't your child friendly house dogs either)
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pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
May 26 2008 21:45 GMT
#311
Adrenaline and brainpower allows me to fight bears. All i have to do is wait for it to swing at me with its claws, then ill duck under it, do a dragon punch uppercut, knocking it to the floor. Then with my adrenaline power, i'll pin it to the floor and mount it, punching it in the face. After some ground and pound, i'll go for the armbar, break its arm, and then stand up and kick it to death. Thats why humans beat all other animals, cuz we can THINK and develop STRATEGIES. /sarcasm
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
May 26 2008 21:47 GMT
#312
On May 27 2008 06:45 pokeyAA wrote:
Adrenaline and brainpower allows me to fight bears. All i have to do is wait for it to swing at me with its claws, then ill duck under it, do a dragon punch uppercut, knocking it to the floor. Then with my adrenaline power, i'll pin it to the floor and mount it, punching it in the face. After some ground and pound, i'll go for the armbar, break its arm, and then stand up and kick it to death. Thats why humans beat all other animals, cuz we can THINK and develop STRATEGIES. /sarcasm


I think it's easier if you just kick them

ps: 1 kick to the stomach should be enough.
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pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
May 26 2008 21:50 GMT
#313
On May 27 2008 06:47 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2008 06:45 pokeyAA wrote:
Adrenaline and brainpower allows me to fight bears. All i have to do is wait for it to swing at me with its claws, then ill duck under it, do a dragon punch uppercut, knocking it to the floor. Then with my adrenaline power, i'll pin it to the floor and mount it, punching it in the face. After some ground and pound, i'll go for the armbar, break its arm, and then stand up and kick it to death. Thats why humans beat all other animals, cuz we can THINK and develop STRATEGIES. /sarcasm


I think it's easier if you just kick them

ps: 1 kick to the stomach should be enough.


I reserve kicks to fighting off elephants, rhinos, and hippos. They're bigger and thus easier to one-shot KO with a kick to the stomach. I don't even NEED to kick a bear, it'd be overkill.
polarwolf
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
924 Posts
May 26 2008 21:55 GMT
#314
i am training Mixed Martial Arts and I think it's easy to defeat a dog who only can bite, so all you have to do is dodging its mouth while you can kick it and punch it. If it's a fight to the death you will easily win, but might have some wounds though. I mean if it is biting you in your arm it has no cover at all since it cannot use it's legs to cover its head. So it will rain ellbow strikes, knee strikes what ever, you can lock one leg and break it, there are a thousand things you can do to that fucking dog.

Simply considering the weight is the biggest factor imo. If you are up against a person, it's big deal if he weights 10% more than you, but that dog has half your weight or less.

Their nature is hunting prey which is fleeing, not ability to fight to death with other creatures.

IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-26 22:01:17
May 26 2008 21:59 GMT
#315
On May 27 2008 06:55 polarwolf wrote:
i am training Mixed Martial Arts and I think it's easy to defeat a dog who only can bite, so all you have to do is dodging its mouth while you can kick it and punch it. If it's a fight to the death you will easily win, but might have some wounds though. I mean if it is biting you in your arm it has no cover at all since it cannot use it's legs to cover its head. So it will rain ellbow strikes, knee strikes what ever, you can lock one leg and break it, there are a thousand things you can do to that fucking dog.

Simply considering the weight is the biggest factor imo. If you are up against a person, it's big deal if he weights 10% more than you, but that dog has half your weight or less.

Their nature is hunting prey which is fleeing, not ability to fight to death with other creatures.



Dogos are used for hunting wild boards. Wild boards don't run away.
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Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
May 26 2008 21:59 GMT
#316
On May 27 2008 06:25 EGoldman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2008 05:30 Hurricane wrote:
On May 27 2008 05:05 EGoldman wrote:
Hurricane, I advise you not to debate if you don't have any actual knowledge. Adrenaline kicks in any time there is danger. Everyone gets a shot of adrenaline when they get beat up. And your reasoning of "the bully gets adrenaline too" says nothing. Because that's exactly my point. Dogs have adrenaline too.


This makes no sense. Yeah dogs have adrenaline, and so do we. Since we start off better than dogs, then they get a boost, and we do too, we're back on top. WTF are you trying to say?

Second, what part of a fight requires real intellectual/cerebral thinking? Do you have experience fighting? If not, please stop talking. Most all fighting is instinctive. It's not a "hmm... I believe I will go with the roundhouse kick stratagem now! While ambushes, using hidden weapons etc. is a form of thinking, the situation devised by the OP is NOT. It's a blank room where a man and dog are set loose on each other. Sorry, brain power doesn't come into this equation.


Just because you're in a room doesn't mean you lose the ability to think. No fighting is not as simple as "oh I'm going to do a roundhouse now" but it is rare that you are fighting with such rage that you can't think. We have the ability to process what is happening and react. Yeah we're not able to make the absolute best decision in the time frame given, but we are able to come up with a counter to whats happening.

You seriously just have no clue what you're talking about. Dogs ignore pain?? lol. Have I seen a dog strafe? rofl. YES. I have. I've seen a wolfhound move so fast that it ran past a guy, managed to tear the man's thick denim jeans open, and leave a copiously bleeding wound across the man's thigh, all before the guy had enough time to even realize what had happened. The dog was 10 yards down the road, and the man was screaming his head off, collapsed on the floor.


So running behind someone and turning around sideways is strafing? no. Also, you're situation makes no sense. A dog ran up and ripped a guys jeans off before he knew what was happening? Yay? wtf does this imply other than the dog was fast and the guy was confused.



Hurricane, like I said before, if you don't know what you're talking about stop talking. It's obvious by now that you have not had much (if any) fighting experience. Stop trying to trash talk to somehow "win" the argument with specious debating. Humans aren't "better off than dogs."

Lol ability to process what is happening and react. And dogs can't? Have you ever even come in contact with a dog? Even a freaking shrimp knows how to dodge and run away from danger. What kind of intelligence are you talking about? A dog is quite capable of thinking and acting in a fight. They are not so dumb as to just mindlessly berserk on a person.

You don't know the concept of strafing. Strafing is to run past someone in a direct line, and launch an attack while moving along that vector. That is exactly what a dog can do. That is exactly the tactic behind pack hunting. Just go away already.

Hi mr. hypocrite.

Yes I've come in contact with many dogs and I know that I can own an normal dog no problem. Even a shrimp knows how to run away. Ok? What relevance does this have? Running away isn't going to save it.

As for intelligence, no a dog won't go absolute nuts on someone, but it won't know the weaknesses. It will have a general idea (legs/face), but it won't know exactly how to go about attacking those areas. Humans know how to incapacitate a dog.

1v1 =/= pack hunting so who the fuck cares about pack hunting. Yes my usage of strafing was incorrect, but the point remains that dogs do not move sideways very well.

It has also become quite apparent that you are adamant that there is no way a person could ever kill a dog so there is no reason for me to continue arguing the same points.
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polarwolf
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
924 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-26 22:01:04
May 26 2008 22:00 GMT
#317
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c54_1208288171
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
May 26 2008 22:06 GMT
#318
Polar, you might win, but we're talking about the average person now who can't fight worth a shit. I've done Muay thai for one and a half years, and even then I think kicking is a dumb idea. Its hard enough kicking someone with full power thats your size and coming in fast, its a totally another matter trying to kick a fast moving small hurdling object aimed at your chest level.

BTW- I've been bitten by my own dog before on accident just trying to (stupidly) break up a fight between it and another dog. He bit my forearm, and let me tell you, he's only like 20 pounds, but I couldn't even clench my hands afterwards, not even from the pain, there was just no power to do so. A lot of you totally overestimate your pain threshold. Its like me saying I can sprint with a fractured ankle if my life depended on it by just 'taking the pain.' Doesn't work that way.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
May 26 2008 22:06 GMT
#319
On May 27 2008 06:59 IntoTheWow wrote:
Dogos are used for hunting wild boards. Wild boards don't run away.


...
1- dogos arent the average dog
2- they dont hunt alone
3- it is the human who kill the wild board with a rifle.

This has nothing to do with the situation described by the OP.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
May 26 2008 22:08 GMT
#320
On May 27 2008 07:06 Boblion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2008 06:59 IntoTheWow wrote:
Dogos are used for hunting wild boards. Wild boards don't run away.


...
1- dogos arent the average dog
2- they dont hunt alone
3- it is the human who kill the wild board with a rifle.

This has nothing to do with the situation described by the OP.


1- people who practice Mixed Martial Arts arent the average human being.
2- dogs will attack if cornered.
3- they kill it with a knife, not a rifle, but even if the human wasn't there they would finish him off anyway.
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