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Doublemint
Austria8744 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45779 Posts
On March 24 2021 23:12 Simberto wrote: So, i still have no clue what our current strategy is. Seems to mostly be "Maybe the problem will solve itself?". As a teacher, i feel completely fucked over right now. I am supposed to regularly interact with 12-15 children in the same room, with the hope that regularly opening the windows will stop the spread of the disease. Apparently testing of the students is supposed to begin after the easter holidays, but literally no one has any idea how that is supposed to work. And of course, teachers are still not a priority for vaccinations, so i don't get one yet, either. The mistake was not to have a lockdown over easter. The mistake is to not do anything right now, and just kind of coast onwards. The mistake was opening up when numbers were already rising a few weeks ago and the british mutation was spreading like wildfire. The mistake was not doing anything in september and october of last year when we still had the situation under control, and not doing enough in november when it was clear that we are losing control. I guess they hope that vaccines and "more testing" will save us, but they don't seem to make any steps towards more vaccines or more testing. That's rough  Do the families/students have the option to stay at home and learn remotely, like through Zoom? While teaching through that kind of hybrid instruction (some students at home, some students in class) is a huge pain in the ass in terms of micromanaging both groups simultaneously, that option has given me a lot of breathing room (health pun somewhat intended). Even though here in New Jersey, teachers have been able to get vaccinated for over a month (we're listed as "essential workers"), we still go out of our way to basically convince (read as: scare) students into staying home, if they have the technology to learn from home. Each of our students has their own laptop/iPad, and we really try to enforce the idea that being safe and healthy is our number one priority. I'm already vaccinated, but I still feel a lot more comfortable knowing that I have anywhere between only 0-2 students attending each of my in-person classes, whereas the other 20+ in each class stay home and learn remotely. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11825 Posts
So i have to do all the hassle of hybrid education (Especially hard with the shitty IT infrastructure. Honestly, i was really shocked of the state of that after a whole year of pandemic), and still have regular contact with all of the students in class. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45779 Posts
On March 25 2021 00:05 Simberto wrote: I have the worst of both worlds. Classes are split in two halves, and those halves alternate daily between being at home and being in school. The students don't have a choice in this, unless they can prove that they are in a high risk group. So i have to do all the hassle of hybrid education (Especially hard with the shitty IT infrastructure. Honestly, i was really shocked of the state of that after a whole year of pandemic), and still have regular contact with all of the students in class. Yeah, that's terrible That's the same thing my school is doing, and many of my colleagues aren't as fortunate as I am, in that they have more in-person students in each of their alternating-day classes to worry about; juggling both online and in-class students is really difficult. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On March 25 2021 00:05 Simberto wrote: I have the worst of both worlds. Classes are split in two halves, and those halves alternate daily between being at home and being in school. The students don't have a choice in this, unless they can prove that they are in a high risk group. So i have to do all the hassle of hybrid education (Especially hard with the shitty IT infrastructure. Honestly, i was really shocked of the state of that after a whole year of pandemic), and still have regular contact with all of the students in class. That is an absolute shite situation. In my province, we threw teachers under the bus for the majority of the pandemic since they mostly had to go to work, and had some additional workload from spending a little bit of time with students who were learning remotely. We are planning to vaccinate all teachers with AZ in the next 2-3 weeks though, which is some minor solace. It's not mRNA, but it's something. Teachers/school support staff are around 104k/5m (~2%) of our population and I'm assuming it's similar in Germany, so it is hard to prioritize them above the elderly who are dying at much higher rates, because that's a fair number of vaccines required to have full effect. Hopefully Germany/EU can get vaccines rolling out in April, especially to high risk populations. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
I'm always immediately skeptical when I hear news like the one of AZ hoarding almost 30 mio doses, but it's hard to defend this one. AZ's response doesn't make perfect sense considering their previous record on distribution. Very strange situation and I think it will add to already existing fears. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-italy-idUSKBN2BG1HF In Austrian news, the situation with the virus is that cases are going up again mainly because the more infectious British mutation has become dominant in the eastern provinces. In some of the western provinces it's about half of all infections, and that number is pretty much certain to increase. In Austria the R value for the previous mutation is <1, but for the British mutation it's >1 (I don't know if this number is removed from measures taken and regional differences, or if it's simply the observed value at a given time). [EDIT: from what I'm reading the number is derived directly from the infections, without adjustments for confounding variables or otherwise] This is the other reason why it's so important to keep the numbers down. It's not all just about hospitalization rates and emergencies, it's also about reducing the likelihood of another more infectious mutation. A higher infection rate equates to more mutations (some of which would be less infectious, but those are also less dominant). If the British mutation hadn't arrived in Austria, we'd now be well over the hill looking rosey. Yet another example of multinational failure to contain the spread of the virus. Pretty much all the countries unable to secure their borders during this pandemic using quarantines combined with tracing and tracking. It's baffling to me how this could happen on such a large scale. Did people working at the borders really not understand how quickly a single infected person spreads a virus? Or were they not given sufficient equipment/staff/logistics? Add to that the disastrous distribution of vaccines (I knew there would be problems, this is why I didn't like the strategy of betting everything on vaccines) and you have an explosive cocktail that can lead to several more years of lockdowns. What if a more infectious mutation arrives that the current vaccines can't combat? I know that's not likely, but if it happens then God help us. And I say that as an agnostic. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
What has effectively happened is by trying to go to unbelievably stupid lengths to make sure as many high priority people are vaccinated as possible, they have shown the situation to be a sham and people are cutting in line. The website just asks if you are approved. Click yes and boom, you're in. I'm not a dirtbag, so I am not doing that, but TONS of people are. So by being ethical, I don't get vaccinated, meanwhile tons of signups have been live for DAYS and still have tons of openings. So I am forced to just do nothing while they can't even find enough eligible people to be vaccinated. Total fucking dogshit. Cheating is simple, no wait needed. People getting vaccinated say there are tons of young people in line. All someone has to say is they take care of their grandmother and boom, they're vaccinated. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
On March 25 2021 13:01 Mohdoo wrote: Oregon is a total train wreck right now. Front line workers still can't get vaccines because we are waiting for every possible 55+ to get off their asses to sign up for vaccines. Sign ups for multiple sites have had thousands of openings for days because they are being stupidly strict. What has effectively happened is by trying to go to unbelievably stupid lengths to make sure as many high priority people are vaccinated as possible, they have shown the situation to be a sham and people are cutting in line. The website just asks if you are approved. Click yes and boom, you're in. I'm not a dirtbag, so I am not doing that, but TONS of people are. So by being ethical, I don't get vaccinated, meanwhile tons of signups have been live for DAYS and still have tons of openings. So I am forced to just do nothing while they can't even find enough eligible people to be vaccinated. Total fucking dogshit. Cheating is simple, no wait needed. People getting vaccinated say there are tons of young people in line. All someone has to say is they take care of their grandmother and boom, they're vaccinated. Fuck it, go get vaccinated. Better it goes in your arm than in the dumpster at the end of the day. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 25 2021 13:16 Lmui wrote: Fuck it, go get vaccinated. Better it goes in your arm than in the dumpster at the end of the day. They aren’t going in a dumpster because tons of people show up at the end of the day to pick up the scraps | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7180 Posts
On March 24 2021 23:12 Simberto wrote: So, i still have no clue what our current strategy is. Seems to mostly be "Maybe the problem will solve itself?". As a teacher, i feel completely fucked over right now. I am supposed to regularly interact with 12-15 children in the same room, with the hope that regularly opening the windows will stop the spread of the disease. Apparently testing of the students is supposed to begin after the easter holidays, but literally no one has any idea how that is supposed to work. And of course, teachers are still not a priority for vaccinations, so i don't get one yet, either. The mistake was not to have a lockdown over easter. The mistake is to not do anything right now, and just kind of coast onwards. The mistake was opening up when numbers were already rising a few weeks ago and the british mutation was spreading like wildfire. The mistake was not doing anything in september and october of last year when we still had the situation under control, and not doing enough in november when it was clear that we are losing control. I guess they hope that vaccines and "more testing" will save us, but they don't seem to make any steps towards more vaccines or more testing. Wait what? I know a bunch of teachers and they all have gotten their first shot without any trouble. Mostly a day or two after making the call to 116117 EDIT: AZ that is | ||
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Simberto
Germany11825 Posts
I have registered at the website for vaccinations here, and it states that i am in priority group 3. Currently they are only vaccinating priority 1 and 2 people. Your friends might be primary school teachers, apparently they are in group 2. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
This is what you're going to hear from ted cruz and greg abbott | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22311 Posts
On March 25 2021 23:12 JimmiC wrote: Well there is no reason to assume Covid in Texas is somehow much more deadly so the logical answer is indeed a lack of testing.Also, what is going on in Texas? They have the second highest deaths daily by 7 day average, about 2/3 the daily deaths, they have 1/16th active cases. They have double NY deaths., 1/8th active cases. 1/5th Florida active cases 6x the daily deaths. And so on. Is Texas not testing anymore? It makes it look like their Covid is super deadly, but I would think that would be massive news. Hiding numbers? Anyone know? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 25 2021 23:12 JimmiC wrote: Also, what is going on in Texas? They have the second highest deaths daily by 7 day average, about 2/3 the daily deaths, they have 1/16th active cases. They have double NY deaths., 1/8th active cases. 1/5th Florida active cases 6x the daily deaths. And so on. Is Texas not testing anymore? It makes it look like their Covid is super deadly, but I would think that would be massive news. Hiding numbers? Anyone know? Conservatives encourage each other to not get tested because they see the issue as fundamentally left vs right. In their eyes its a matter of "government doesn't need to know I got the flu and we shouldn't have shut down because of a silly common cold". But you can't hide people dying. Its basically just that you can't lie about dying or not. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On March 25 2021 23:12 JimmiC wrote: Also, what is going on in Texas? They have the second highest deaths daily by 7 day average, about 2/3 the daily deaths, they have 1/16th active cases. They have double NY deaths., 1/8th active cases. 1/5th Florida active cases 6x the daily deaths. And so on. Is Texas not testing anymore? It makes it look like their Covid is super deadly, but I would think that would be massive news. Hiding numbers? Anyone know? Texas undid all of their restrictions recently, in one of the dumbest moves in recent memory. Probably contributes some to this. Would not be surprised if a lot of people now are acting as if COVID is now over, which means they'll refuse to admit it's covid until it kills them. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11825 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 26 2021 01:02 Simberto wrote: Your politics are scary and weird. That is almost cultish. Almost? Goes way beyond that. Its not wanting to admit you were wrong and letting people die because of it. The other thing is that because the vaccine is starting to be distributed, people are seeing it as "COVID is over", but those same people are also not choosing to be vaccinated themselves. So we will likely see another big spike in certain states with major cultural issues. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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