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On March 25 2021 13:20 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2021 13:16 Lmui wrote:On March 25 2021 13:01 Mohdoo wrote:
Oregon is a total train wreck right now. Front line workers still can't get vaccines because we are waiting for every possible 55+ to get off their asses to sign up for vaccines. Sign ups for multiple sites have had thousands of openings for days because they are being stupidly strict.
What has effectively happened is by trying to go to unbelievably stupid lengths to make sure as many high priority people are vaccinated as possible, they have shown the situation to be a sham and people are cutting in line. The website just asks if you are approved. Click yes and boom, you're in. I'm not a dirtbag, so I am not doing that, but TONS of people are. So by being ethical, I don't get vaccinated, meanwhile tons of signups have been live for DAYS and still have tons of openings. So I am forced to just do nothing while they can't even find enough eligible people to be vaccinated. Total fucking dogshit.
Cheating is simple, no wait needed. People getting vaccinated say there are tons of young people in line. All someone has to say is they take care of their grandmother and boom, they're vaccinated. Fuck it, go get vaccinated. Better it goes in your arm than in the dumpster at the end of the day. They aren’t going in a dumpster because tons of people show up at the end of the day to pick up the scraps
Depending on your sense of ethics I guess you could line up for the scraps at the end of the day if you don't want to take an appointment... It's a little better than the places still waiting for 65+ I guess.
My friend's parents are in washington state and they're still stuck on 65+ til the end of the month which is a glacial pace compared to the rest of the country.
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On March 26 2021 01:17 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2021 01:02 Simberto wrote:
Your politics are scary and weird. That is almost cultish. Are you talking specifically at someone or just US politics in general? I think everyone who commented on the Texas situation is probably right, but it is strange as other Rep states are not showing numbers like Texas. It seems to me like some active attempt to hide numbers rather than the people just choosing to not get tested (which I'm sure is happening, but would also be happening in other heavily Rep states if that was the biggest factor.)
Mostly a generic reaction to the texas discussion. Not testing so your numbers are lower sounds utterly absurd to me. That is something which i would expect out of the soviet union.
Manipulating the data so you can deny reality is a behaviour that i absolutely can not understand in the slightest. Like, it is so alien that i can not even begin to try to comprehend. But i guess that is the logical result when you go feelings over facts and declare science your enemy.
And not wanting to get tested because that would increase the covid numbers is even more insane, because that means willingly risking your own health just so a statistic looks better for your arbitrarily chosen side.
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On March 26 2021 02:02 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2021 01:17 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2021 01:02 Simberto wrote:
Your politics are scary and weird. That is almost cultish. Are you talking specifically at someone or just US politics in general? I think everyone who commented on the Texas situation is probably right, but it is strange as other Rep states are not showing numbers like Texas. It seems to me like some active attempt to hide numbers rather than the people just choosing to not get tested (which I'm sure is happening, but would also be happening in other heavily Rep states if that was the biggest factor.) Mostly a generic reaction to the texas discussion. Not testing so your numbers are lower sounds utterly absurd to me. That is something which i would expect out of the soviet union.Manipulating the data so you can deny reality is a behaviour that i absolutely can not understand in the slightest. Like, it is so alien that i can not even begin to try to comprehend. But i guess that is the logical result when you go feelings over facts and declare science your enemy. And not wanting to get tested because that would increase the covid numbers is even more insane, because that means willingly risking your own health just so a statistic looks better for your arbitrarily chosen side.
If I remember correctly, Trump tried to argue for that exact same nonsense: If we don't test people, then they can't have coronavirus! So... yeah, given that Trump said it, I'd say that your reference to Russia is spot on.
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On March 26 2021 01:12 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2021 01:02 Simberto wrote:
Your politics are scary and weird. That is almost cultish. Almost? Goes way beyond that. Its not wanting to admit you were wrong and letting people die because of it. The other thing is that because the vaccine is starting to be distributed, people are seeing it as "COVID is over", but those same people are also not choosing to be vaccinated themselves. So we will likely see another big spike in certain states with major cultural issues.
Michigan is not looking great but I'm not so sure the issue there is cultural. I've heard it's a more contagious strain and reopening too quickly.
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On March 26 2021 01:17 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2021 01:02 Simberto wrote:
Your politics are scary and weird. That is almost cultish. Are you talking specifically at someone or just US politics in general? I think everyone who commented on the Texas situation is probably right, but it is strange as other Rep states are not showing numbers like Texas. It seems to me like some active attempt to hide numbers rather than the people just choosing to not get tested (which I'm sure is happening, but would also be happening in other heavily Rep states if that was the biggest factor.)
Texas went a couple steps further than most other states in rolling back ALL restrictions. Most other states left at least a few, even the crazy red ones.
Additionally, rolling back mask mandates (the dumbest possible response and the most common in red states) did not really do anything by itself as most major businesses are still requiring them. Texas went a step further and blatantly wrote out that it's illegal to punish someone for not wearing a mask (even if a court mandates a new mask order). This means that the most a store can do is politely ask the person to leave. And it's low paid grocers - why would they risk their life to tell someone to leave over a mask policy? (As they're taking a chance either way : it would surprise me 0% if someone shot at a grocer in texas due to being told to wear a mask).
Mississippi is the other state I know of here they rolled them back 100%, if you want to compare 1:1. Most states went from 50% -> 75% capacity rather than full openings (or a similar step if they weren't at 50% open yet).
On March 26 2021 02:02 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2021 01:17 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2021 01:02 Simberto wrote:
Your politics are scary and weird. That is almost cultish. Are you talking specifically at someone or just US politics in general? I think everyone who commented on the Texas situation is probably right, but it is strange as other Rep states are not showing numbers like Texas. It seems to me like some active attempt to hide numbers rather than the people just choosing to not get tested (which I'm sure is happening, but would also be happening in other heavily Rep states if that was the biggest factor.) Mostly a generic reaction to the texas discussion. Not testing so your numbers are lower sounds utterly absurd to me. That is something which i would expect out of the soviet union. Manipulating the data so you can deny reality is a behaviour that i absolutely can not understand in the slightest. Like, it is so alien that i can not even begin to try to comprehend. But i guess that is the logical result when you go feelings over facts and declare science your enemy. And not wanting to get tested because that would increase the covid numbers is even more insane, because that means willingly risking your own health just so a statistic looks better for your arbitrarily chosen side.
That was the actual policy from the Trump administration for months : they initially limited testing as they thought it made them look bad if the numbers were going up (that wasn't their official reason, but Trump flat out said it several times - that if there was no testing, no one would care about the virus, and it went hand in hand with them pulling out all stops to limit testing supplies).
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On March 26 2021 03:05 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2021 01:12 Mohdoo wrote:On March 26 2021 01:02 Simberto wrote:
Your politics are scary and weird. That is almost cultish. Almost? Goes way beyond that. Its not wanting to admit you were wrong and letting people die because of it. The other thing is that because the vaccine is starting to be distributed, people are seeing it as "COVID is over", but those same people are also not choosing to be vaccinated themselves. So we will likely see another big spike in certain states with major cultural issues. Michigan is not looking great but I'm not so sure the issue there is cultural. I've heard it's a more virulent strain and reopening too quickly.
It's certainly a mixture of causes, but do not discount how many folks in Michigan react purely out of disregard for the government and/or cities. Outside Wayne (Detroit), Ingham (Lansing), and Washtenaw (Ann Arbor) Counties (maybe Oakland and Kent as well), Michigan tends to be quite conservative.
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I've got 1st dose of Pfizer vaccine. I could have recovered from eventual COVID fine but better safe than sorry so I took the vaccine.
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On March 26 2021 02:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2021 02:02 Simberto wrote:On March 26 2021 01:17 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2021 01:02 Simberto wrote:
Your politics are scary and weird. That is almost cultish. Are you talking specifically at someone or just US politics in general? I think everyone who commented on the Texas situation is probably right, but it is strange as other Rep states are not showing numbers like Texas. It seems to me like some active attempt to hide numbers rather than the people just choosing to not get tested (which I'm sure is happening, but would also be happening in other heavily Rep states if that was the biggest factor.) Mostly a generic reaction to the texas discussion. Not testing so your numbers are lower sounds utterly absurd to me. That is something which i would expect out of the soviet union.Manipulating the data so you can deny reality is a behaviour that i absolutely can not understand in the slightest. Like, it is so alien that i can not even begin to try to comprehend. But i guess that is the logical result when you go feelings over facts and declare science your enemy. And not wanting to get tested because that would increase the covid numbers is even more insane, because that means willingly risking your own health just so a statistic looks better for your arbitrarily chosen side. If I remember correctly, Trump tried to argue for that exact same nonsense: If we don't test people, then they can't have coronavirus! So... yeah, given that Trump said it, I'd say that your reference to Russia is spot on.
IIRC, he meant that some countries looked comparatively better because they didn't test as much as the US, which may have been true at the time, not sure.
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On March 26 2021 06:38 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2021 02:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 26 2021 02:02 Simberto wrote:On March 26 2021 01:17 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2021 01:02 Simberto wrote:
Your politics are scary and weird. That is almost cultish. Are you talking specifically at someone or just US politics in general? I think everyone who commented on the Texas situation is probably right, but it is strange as other Rep states are not showing numbers like Texas. It seems to me like some active attempt to hide numbers rather than the people just choosing to not get tested (which I'm sure is happening, but would also be happening in other heavily Rep states if that was the biggest factor.) Mostly a generic reaction to the texas discussion. Not testing so your numbers are lower sounds utterly absurd to me. That is something which i would expect out of the soviet union.Manipulating the data so you can deny reality is a behaviour that i absolutely can not understand in the slightest. Like, it is so alien that i can not even begin to try to comprehend. But i guess that is the logical result when you go feelings over facts and declare science your enemy. And not wanting to get tested because that would increase the covid numbers is even more insane, because that means willingly risking your own health just so a statistic looks better for your arbitrarily chosen side. If I remember correctly, Trump tried to argue for that exact same nonsense: If we don't test people, then they can't have coronavirus! So... yeah, given that Trump said it, I'd say that your reference to Russia is spot on. IIRC, he meant that some countries looked comparatively better because they didn't test as much as the US, which may have been true at the time, not sure.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the clarification!
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On March 26 2021 06:00 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2021 05:26 SC-Shield wrote:
I've got 1st dose of Pfizer vaccine. I could have recovered from eventual COVID fine but better safe than sorry so I took the vaccine. What is your secret?
It's weird here in Bulgaria. Apparently IT industry also counts as critical sector so my chance of getting the vaccine sooner increased. Also, it helps that I know my GP (my girlfriend's aunt) so I was going to get the vaccine next month anyway. Otherwise, it's sad that vaccinations are happening much slower than we/I'd like to. Hopefully this year is the last one we're going to deal with COVID seriously, so from next year hopefully it's nothing more than just a cold or something along those lines in terms of relevance.
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On March 26 2021 07:28 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2021 06:00 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2021 05:26 SC-Shield wrote:
I've got 1st dose of Pfizer vaccine. I could have recovered from eventual COVID fine but better safe than sorry so I took the vaccine. What is your secret? It's weird here in Bulgaria. Apparently IT industry also counts as critical sector so my chance of getting the vaccine sooner increased. Also, it helps that I know my GP (my girlfriend's aunt) so I was going to get the vaccine next month anyway. Otherwise, it's sad that vaccinations are happening much slower than we/I'd like to. Hopefully this year is the last one we're going to deal with COVID seriously, so from next year hopefully it's nothing more than just a cold or something along those lines in terms of relevance.
It will hopefully reach flu level of relevance. Which people still get vaccinated for to stop a lot of people from dying. Cold level seems a bit too positive to be likely.
There has been no talk about eradicating the disease by running a global mass vaccination campaign. I think that would be only way to get it not to be a long term problem.
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On March 26 2021 12:57 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2021 07:28 SC-Shield wrote:On March 26 2021 06:00 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2021 05:26 SC-Shield wrote:
I've got 1st dose of Pfizer vaccine. I could have recovered from eventual COVID fine but better safe than sorry so I took the vaccine. What is your secret? It's weird here in Bulgaria. Apparently IT industry also counts as critical sector so my chance of getting the vaccine sooner increased. Also, it helps that I know my GP (my girlfriend's aunt) so I was going to get the vaccine next month anyway. Otherwise, it's sad that vaccinations are happening much slower than we/I'd like to. Hopefully this year is the last one we're going to deal with COVID seriously, so from next year hopefully it's nothing more than just a cold or something along those lines in terms of relevance. It will hopefully reach flu level of relevance. Which people still get vaccinated for to stop a lot of people from dying. Cold level seems a bit too positive to be likely. There has been no talk about eradicating the disease by running a global mass vaccination campaign. I think that would be only way to get it not to be a long term problem.
Agreed, because commuting and tourism are ubiquitous. Any town or state or country that has herd immunity could still be undermined by a neighboring town or state or country that isn't sufficiently vaccinated.
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Got signed up today to get the Pfizer vaccine on the 5th. Utah opened up the vaccine to everyone.
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On March 26 2021 13:19 JumboJohnson wrote:
Got signed up today to get the Pfizer vaccine on the 5th. Utah opened up the vaccine to everyone.
Congratulations!!!
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On March 26 2021 13:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2021 12:57 Yurie wrote:On March 26 2021 07:28 SC-Shield wrote:On March 26 2021 06:00 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2021 05:26 SC-Shield wrote:
I've got 1st dose of Pfizer vaccine. I could have recovered from eventual COVID fine but better safe than sorry so I took the vaccine. What is your secret? It's weird here in Bulgaria. Apparently IT industry also counts as critical sector so my chance of getting the vaccine sooner increased. Also, it helps that I know my GP (my girlfriend's aunt) so I was going to get the vaccine next month anyway. Otherwise, it's sad that vaccinations are happening much slower than we/I'd like to. Hopefully this year is the last one we're going to deal with COVID seriously, so from next year hopefully it's nothing more than just a cold or something along those lines in terms of relevance. It will hopefully reach flu level of relevance. Which people still get vaccinated for to stop a lot of people from dying. Cold level seems a bit too positive to be likely. There has been no talk about eradicating the disease by running a global mass vaccination campaign. I think that would be only way to get it not to be a long term problem. Agreed, because commuting and tourism are ubiquitous. Any town or state or country that has herd immunity could still be undermined by a neighboring town or state or country that isn't sufficiently vaccinated.
Pretty sure we missed our chance on eradicating it. We are breeding far too many mutations through negligence for vaccines to really get rid of it. We already have some which seem to be partially immune to current vaccines. (SA variant for example) Having a lot of sick people and mediocre amounts of vaccinated ones is perfect breeding ground for a variant immune to these vaccines.
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On March 26 2021 02:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2021 02:02 Simberto wrote:On March 26 2021 01:17 JimmiC wrote:On March 26 2021 01:02 Simberto wrote:
Your politics are scary and weird. That is almost cultish. Are you talking specifically at someone or just US politics in general? I think everyone who commented on the Texas situation is probably right, but it is strange as other Rep states are not showing numbers like Texas. It seems to me like some active attempt to hide numbers rather than the people just choosing to not get tested (which I'm sure is happening, but would also be happening in other heavily Rep states if that was the biggest factor.) Mostly a generic reaction to the texas discussion. Not testing so your numbers are lower sounds utterly absurd to me. That is something which i would expect out of the soviet union.Manipulating the data so you can deny reality is a behaviour that i absolutely can not understand in the slightest. Like, it is so alien that i can not even begin to try to comprehend. But i guess that is the logical result when you go feelings over facts and declare science your enemy. And not wanting to get tested because that would increase the covid numbers is even more insane, because that means willingly risking your own health just so a statistic looks better for your arbitrarily chosen side. If I remember correctly, Trump tried to argue for that exact same nonsense: If we don't test people, then they can't have coronavirus! So... yeah, given that Trump said it, I'd say that your reference to Russia is spot on.
What i would like to point out is that Russia and Soviet Union are different countries. Soviets treated public health really seriously. They would of course hide real numbers, but they would also like to know them. So they would be cooking books not avoiding doing tests and there also would be mandatory vaccinations and hard lockdowns with usage of military to contain outbreaks.
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On March 25 2021 21:49 Simberto wrote:
I live in Bavaria.
I have registered at the website for vaccinations here, and it states that i am in priority group 3. Currently they are only vaccinating priority 1 and 2 people. Your friends might be primary school teachers, apparently they are in group 2.
My girlfriend ist only a trainee teacher + Show Spoiler +No idea how to translate that ^^ Refrendariat, first part
EDIT: Forgot to mention she teaches classes 9-12, sophomores or whatever that is in English 
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