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On March 19 2021 08:49 TheTenthDoc wrote:This is a FAQ from the Paul Ehrlich Institute in Germany describing the rationale for the temporary "let's stop vaccinating" order there. The FAQ has numbers from yesterday; that number is now 11 rather than 7, I think. It's in about as plain language as you can get. The Paul Ehrlich Institute is the German health agency in charge of vaccines and biomedicines, from my understanding. They are not manufacturing these numbers or relying on rumor. If you want less plain language updates, I think they're (mostly) in German or other languages for the moment, so I can't be much help.
Thanks, it’s useful.
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My medical English isn't up to date but in Layman's term:
They found the exact reason for the blood clots and can counter it 100%, but only after the fact (yet).
A body owned defense machanism is activated in some cases, that makes the blood clot like there is an open wound.
German Source NDR
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On March 19 2021 23:00 Harris1st wrote:My medical English isn't up to date but in Layman's term: They found the exact reason for the blood clots and can counter it 100%, but only after the fact (yet). A body owned defense machanism is activated in some cases, that makes the blood clot like there is an open wound. German Source NDR
Maybe gogole translate is to blame but this article doesn't say much in terms of what the treatment is
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On March 21 2021 06:00 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2021 23:00 Harris1st wrote:My medical English isn't up to date but in Layman's term: They found the exact reason for the blood clots and can counter it 100%, but only after the fact (yet). A body owned defense machanism is activated in some cases, that makes the blood clot like there is an open wound. German Source NDR Maybe gogole translate is to blame but this article doesn't say much in terms of what the treatment is
The WHO says "go" to the AstraZenica vaccine, they should know better than any of us. Oh, and birth control pills give a substantially higher risk of blood clots than that vaccine.
It amazes me how irrationally scared many of us are of anything new, while we are easily accepting dangers which are familiar to us.
https://www.who.int/news/item/17-03-2021-who-statement-on-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-safety-signals
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On March 21 2021 09:11 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2021 06:00 BlackJack wrote:On March 19 2021 23:00 Harris1st wrote:My medical English isn't up to date but in Layman's term: They found the exact reason for the blood clots and can counter it 100%, but only after the fact (yet). A body owned defense machanism is activated in some cases, that makes the blood clot like there is an open wound. German Source NDR Maybe gogole translate is to blame but this article doesn't say much in terms of what the treatment is The WHO says "go" to the AstraZenica vaccine, they should know better than any of us. Oh, and birth control pills give a substantially higher risk of blood clots than that vaccine. It amazes me how irrationally scared many of us are of anything new, while we are easily accepting dangers which are familiar to us. https://www.who.int/news/item/17-03-2021-who-statement-on-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-safety-signals
It seems there is a wombo combo when you are on the pill and get the AZ shot making the chance for blood clots exponentially higher.
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My country already vaccinated 1/3 of the population, included but not limited to, every person over 65 and every single healthcare worker (both doses over 2 weeks ago). Yet we are having "record cases", and more lockdowns which seems totally irrational to me.
Also, I've tried to find how many people have died or been hospitalized BECAUSE OF COVID 15 days after getting their second shot, yet I can't find even a resemble of an answer online. Has anyone been able to find this info ? (The answer would be the efficacy of the vaccines, as having a positive PCR or mild symptoms doesn't matter at all)
All I can find are articles about why X died of something else and not the vaccine. That is not the question I'm trying to answer.
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So vaccines work, that's what I wanted to know. Basically we mock anti vaxxers and call them conspiracy theories, rightfuly so; however there is people saying vaccinted people need to continue wearking masks and social distancing, they belong to the same category of non sense and deserve the same mockery.
To add to the issue: With more than 123 million cases, suspected cases of re infection of covid is 30 something. This means people saying restrictions to former sick people are justified, are also crazy conspiracy theorists.
I disagree with you, the idea of perpetual lockdowns until herd inmunity is reached is beyond absurd. I do not care at all about cases, hospital beds (which are not collapsed) or any other metrics, when all vulnerable people have been vaccinated there is 0 excuse to justify lockdowns. This is not only a practical issue, because locking down and ruining healthy people's lives in the off chance the get a virus and a bigger off chance they have some serious complication from it is not justified, but more so because of a fundamental liberty issue.
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On March 23 2021 05:12 GoTuNk! wrote:
So vaccines work, that's what I wanted to know. Basically we mock anti vaxxers and call them conspiracy theories, rightfuly so; however there is people saying vaccinted people need to continue wearking masks and social distancing, they belong to the same category of non sense and deserve the same mockery.
To add to the issue: With more than 123 million cases, suspected cases of re infection of covid is 30 something. This means people saying restrictions to former sick people are justified, are also crazy conspiracy theorists.
I disagree with you, the idea of perpetual lockdowns until herd inmunity is reached is beyond absurd. I do not care at all about cases, hospital beds (which are not collapsed) or any other metrics, when all vulnerable people have been vaccinated there is 0 excuse to justify lockdowns. This is not only a practical issue, because locking down and ruining healthy people's lives in the off chance the get a virus and a bigger off chance they have some serious complication from it is not justified, but more so because of a fundamental liberty issue.
How is staying at home playing games, reading books and watching series ruining people's lives? I honestly never got that argument. You still have a life better than 99.9% of historic humanity ever had and call it ruined...
Hopefully this will create a drive towards more lenient court systems. If people complain after living in luxury compared to a prison for a year, how can they want to force it?
The people that get laid off work, have no income and getting into economic collapse situations I do get complaining. Here the social programs are strong enough that I would have been fine even with getting laid off.
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Well, we could also just let the government print the money we need to keep everyone safe from brain covid and all the other barely known side effects of a symptomless infection.
AZ is yet to be proven to work against the South African variant.
It does not very much against mild to moderate cases, unknown against severe cases (afaik).
If your antibodies - build up by vaccine or being infected - don't work against that strain, what good does opening up as you suggest do?
Chile should close the borders to prevent influx of the SA variant at all cost as they are doing very well with vaccinating the vulnerable populace.
I hope they somehow track who got which vaccine, so AZ people can get an updated shot.
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So vaccines work, that's what I wanted to know. Basically we mock anti vaxxers and call them conspiracy theories, rightfuly so; however there is people saying vaccinted people need to continue wearking masks and social distancing, they belong to the same category of non sense and deserve the same mockery.
There are so many absurd covid-19 rules, I don't even think requiring vaccinated (and previously positives) to follow the same rules as anyone else is the worst. It isn't 100% certain they can't pass the virus on, even though they won't be sick themselves, and how can you tell the difference if you are enforcing the rules? Politicians are drawn to broad, general guidelines, even though they often cause unfair, unnecessary and ineffective results.
EU vaccine passports will be a thing, though. Northern Europeans need to travel to the south, and the south needs tourists!
Meanwhile, the expected surge in Texas after they lifted all restrictions is still nowhere to be seen. It is still too early to be sure, but the combination of vaccines and previous cases COULD be enough to allow the return of normal life.
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On March 23 2021 05:12 GoTuNk! wrote:
So vaccines work, that's what I wanted to know. Basically we mock anti vaxxers and call them conspiracy theories, rightfuly so; however there is people saying vaccinted people need to continue wearking masks and social distancing, they belong to the same category of non sense and deserve the same mockery.
Apparently it sends a bad signal if people who aren't an infection threat don't wear the same mask that the unprotected masses do.
I'm quite done wearing a mask and doing awkward forms of social distancing after I get my vaccine. Only when I'm forced to.
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On March 23 2021 05:21 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2021 05:12 GoTuNk! wrote:
So vaccines work, that's what I wanted to know. Basically we mock anti vaxxers and call them conspiracy theories, rightfuly so; however there is people saying vaccinted people need to continue wearking masks and social distancing, they belong to the same category of non sense and deserve the same mockery.
To add to the issue: With more than 123 million cases, suspected cases of re infection of covid is 30 something. This means people saying restrictions to former sick people are justified, are also crazy conspiracy theorists.
I disagree with you, the idea of perpetual lockdowns until herd inmunity is reached is beyond absurd. I do not care at all about cases, hospital beds (which are not collapsed) or any other metrics, when all vulnerable people have been vaccinated there is 0 excuse to justify lockdowns. This is not only a practical issue, because locking down and ruining healthy people's lives in the off chance the get a virus and a bigger off chance they have some serious complication from it is not justified, but more so because of a fundamental liberty issue.
How is staying at home playing games, reading books and watching series ruining people's lives? I honestly never got that argument. You still have a life better than 99.9% of historic humanity ever had and call it ruined... Hopefully this will create a drive towards more lenient court systems. If people complain after living in luxury compared to a prison for a year, how can they want to force it? The people that get laid off work, have no income and getting into economic collapse situations I do get complaining. Here the social programs are strong enough that I would have been fine even with getting laid off.
I sell stuff online, I've gotten rich on the pandemic.
I have this thing call empathy, for people that need to work, want to work, or have business that go bankrupt when they are forced to close. I even know some people that would rather make their own income than become welfare dependant, go figure.
There is also this thing called freedom, but sadly most westerners do not care about it or take it for granted.
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On March 23 2021 05:32 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2021 05:12 GoTuNk! wrote:
So vaccines work, that's what I wanted to know. Basically we mock anti vaxxers and call them conspiracy theories, rightfuly so; however there is people saying vaccinted people need to continue wearking masks and social distancing, they belong to the same category of non sense and deserve the same mockery.
To add to the issue: With more than 123 million cases, suspected cases of re infection of covid is 30 something. This means people saying restrictions to former sick people are justified, are also crazy conspiracy theorists.
I disagree with you, the idea of perpetual lockdowns until herd inmunity is reached is beyond absurd. I do not care at all about cases, hospital beds (which are not collapsed) or any other metrics, when all vulnerable people have been vaccinated there is 0 excuse to justify lockdowns. This is not only a practical issue, because locking down and ruining healthy people's lives in the off chance the get a virus and a bigger off chance they have some serious complication from it is not justified, but more so because of a fundamental liberty issue.
I'm sorry you don't like how the virus works. I'm not sure what you disagree with me on because I'm not in favor of perpetual lockdowns until her immunity is reached. No one likes lockdowns, this is a dumb strawman created by angry people who don't understand, or want too.
Some people love lockdowns, don't fool yourself.
Which part about how the virus works am I missing? We already stablished people who had their vaccines or the disease are inmune to it.
Can you provide any source that any of this 2 groups, with inmunity, can transmit the disease ? I mean actually transmit the disease to other people, not just carry trace amount of it. I'm geniunely curious and not being facetious, I apreciate your answers.
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On March 23 2021 05:12 GoTuNk! wrote:
So vaccines work, that's what I wanted to know. Basically we mock anti vaxxers and call them conspiracy theories, rightfuly so; however there is people saying vaccinted people need to continue wearking masks and social distancing, they belong to the same category of non sense and deserve the same mockery.
To add to the issue: With more than 123 million cases, suspected cases of re infection of covid is 30 something. This means people saying restrictions to former sick people are justified, are also crazy conspiracy theorists.
I disagree with you, the idea of perpetual lockdowns until herd inmunity is reached is beyond absurd. I do not care at all about cases, hospital beds (which are not collapsed) or any other metrics, when all vulnerable people have been vaccinated there is 0 excuse to justify lockdowns. This is not only a practical issue, because locking down and ruining healthy people's lives in the off chance the get a virus and a bigger off chance they have some serious complication from it is not justified, but more so because of a fundamental liberty issue.
So long as vaccinated people can spread covid, it is irresponsible for vaccinated people to not wear masks and distance. If you have a group of people who are all vaccinated, have a party. No one is saying a group of vaccinated people can't gather privately.
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On March 23 2021 06:04 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2021 05:12 GoTuNk! wrote:
So vaccines work, that's what I wanted to know. Basically we mock anti vaxxers and call them conspiracy theories, rightfuly so; however there is people saying vaccinted people need to continue wearking masks and social distancing, they belong to the same category of non sense and deserve the same mockery.
To add to the issue: With more than 123 million cases, suspected cases of re infection of covid is 30 something. This means people saying restrictions to former sick people are justified, are also crazy conspiracy theorists.
I disagree with you, the idea of perpetual lockdowns until herd inmunity is reached is beyond absurd. I do not care at all about cases, hospital beds (which are not collapsed) or any other metrics, when all vulnerable people have been vaccinated there is 0 excuse to justify lockdowns. This is not only a practical issue, because locking down and ruining healthy people's lives in the off chance the get a virus and a bigger off chance they have some serious complication from it is not justified, but more so because of a fundamental liberty issue.
So long as vaccinated people can spread covid, it is irresponsible for vaccinated people to not wear masks and distance.
Ideally we all lock ourselves inside until we can globally eliminate all infectious disease, lest we risk the off chance that we infect someone.
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Yeah, citation needed on that people love lockdowns stuff.
I have yet to meet a single person who wouldn't love for corona to just be done. People want live to be back to normal. But most people realize that lockdowns are the only thing that seems to help against uncontrolled spread of the virus. This does not mean that they love lockdowns, they just hate them less than a completely uncontrolled pandemic killing even more people.
If you give me a chance to just turn off corona, i will immediately take it. But in the real world, i am in favor of a hard lockdown here in Germany. It is utterly inexplicable to me how many people seem to be living in a world of wishful thinking, where the problem isn't the virus, but the lockdown. And who apparently believe that if we stop having lockdowns, everything goes back to the way it was before the virus.
To me, it feels as if people simply do not want to believe that the fire is indeed hot. And then they fight you when you want to stop them from touching the fire. Except in the case of fire, touching it only endangers yourself. With corona, you endanger everyone else, too.
And i find it utterly disgusting to claim that i do not have empathy because of this.I just think that any alternative plans are a lot worse.
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On March 23 2021 05:12 GoTuNk! wrote:
So vaccines work, that's what I wanted to know. Basically we mock anti vaxxers and call them conspiracy theories, rightfuly so; however there is people saying vaccinted people need to continue wearking masks and social distancing, they belong to the same category of non sense and deserve the same mockery.
These covid vaccines generally have a solid 90-95% efficacy rate, but that's very different than 100%, especially when we take into account new strains and variants where the vaccines of earlier strains might not be as protective.
Vaccines work in several ways, such as:
-Making it less likely to become infected with coronavirus;
-If you do become infected and symptomatic, your symptoms are generally less severe;
-If you have coronavirus, you're less likely to pass it on to other people.
But "less likely/severe" does not mean you can't still catch it, get sick from it, or spread it. Especially before we hit herd immunity (60-70% of the population being vaccinated), we need to continue to be careful. I'm fully vaccinated with maximal immunity, but there's no 100% certainty in this, so I still wear masks and socially distance when I'm around strangers, in classrooms with my students, etc. It's annoying, but it's also important that we continue to take the pandemic seriously, even once vaccinated.
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