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On January 09 2021 03:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He can delay all he wants. But I'm pretty sure he'll hop on board. He's posturing at best. Manchin has no chance to keep his seat if he refuses this and he is aware. He's using the vaccine and unemployment as roadblocks to the stimulus checks coming down. If the rest buckle, the amount will just be lower but there will be another few rounds of checks. Just have to get the right SoT in.
Not to mention a lot of republicans already support $2k checks. This is a rare moment where you don't need all the democrats to pass something. Also important to remember there is less than 0% chance of having someone more liberal than Manchin elected to WV
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On January 09 2021 03:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He can delay all he wants. But I'm pretty sure he'll hop on board. He's posturing at best. Manchin has no chance to keep his seat if he refuses this and he is aware. He's using the vaccine and unemployment as roadblocks to the stimulus checks coming down. If the rest buckle, the amount will just be lower but there will be another few rounds of checks. Just have to get the right SoT in.
Posturing to lower the stimulus check still makes him a COLOSSAL piece of shit, and the fact that we're seeing Democrats work to make life harder for working Americans tells me we're going to see Obama but actually less impactful for the working class.
Christ, and here I was thinking, "weve had a year of severe economic and health crisis's capped off with a literal insurrection, maybe Democrats will capitalize on this unique moment in history and actually aggressive push to help people."
I need to work on keeping myself aggressively pessimistic.
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On January 09 2021 03:11 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 03:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He can delay all he wants. But I'm pretty sure he'll hop on board. He's posturing at best. Manchin has no chance to keep his seat if he refuses this and he is aware. He's using the vaccine and unemployment as roadblocks to the stimulus checks coming down. If the rest buckle, the amount will just be lower but there will be another few rounds of checks. Just have to get the right SoT in. Not to mention a lot of republicans already support $2k checks. This is a rare moment where you don't need all the democrats to pass something. Also important to remember there is less than 0% chance of having someone more liberal than Manchin elected to WV
With mcconnel gone, they can vote on everything separately as well. So expect to see that going forward. It'll be a lot easier to piecemeal something and get it going and iron out the finer details. But those checks are coming.
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On January 09 2021 03:12 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 03:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He can delay all he wants. But I'm pretty sure he'll hop on board. He's posturing at best. Manchin has no chance to keep his seat if he refuses this and he is aware. He's using the vaccine and unemployment as roadblocks to the stimulus checks coming down. If the rest buckle, the amount will just be lower but there will be another few rounds of checks. Just have to get the right SoT in. Posturing to lower the stimulus check still makes him a COLOSSAL piece of shit, and the fact that we're seeing Democrats work to make life harder for working Americans tells me we're going to see Obama but actually less impactful for the working class. Christ, and here I was thinking, "weve had a year of severe economic and health crisis's capped off with a literal insurrection, maybe Democrats will capitalize on this unique moment in history and actually aggressive push to help people." I need to work on keeping myself aggressively pessimistic.
You can be as pessimistic as you want. No one is stopping you. Hope you feel better afterwards. But I can tell you it isn't good for any part of your well-being. Let them work first. See what is what and move forward. Wishful thinking but I see us being surprised by some stuff as the year develops, congressionally speaking.
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On January 09 2021 02:57 Broetchenholer wrote:
By the way, as people have lauded the efficiency of Germanies dealing with the Nazis and changeing the society, there are three things to consider.
First. Especially Western Germany is famous for reintegrating Nazis into society and turning a blind eye to them wherever possible. The head of the party, where they got them, were punished, but the rest was in very high numbers just accepted back into society. The Russians did a much better job at keeping old functionaries and war criminals out of society. Western germany, not so much.
Second. Western Germany kept those people hidden by simply ignoring them. They remained in the society, they never mentioned what they did before and the fewest people bothered with more. People were educated in the rise of the third reich in the atrocities of the third reich but when it came to asking how the surviving men reintegrated into society, that education became a lot less focused. So, new generations just accepted that what their grandparents or parents collectively did was very wrong and can never happen again, but they also accepted that noone is actually personally responsible, especially not dear grandpa or the old strange man across the street.
Third. It is not allowed in germany to dispute the fact that the holocaust happened or to spread hate against people defined by religion, sexual orientation or descend. If someone does, it's jail time.
All three effects together mean, literal Nazis stayed in Germany and kept recruiting people to their ideology. They kept to themrselves and society for very long turned a blind eye unless they would public scream their hatred out into the world. And now they come out in droves, because they feel like they have regrown enough and are bold.
The point i am making is, jailing some people means nothing. Forbidding some intelectual property, like, lies about the outcome of an election, means nothing.
You need to shame people AND always keep discussing the events as something that will happen again. Only then you have a chance to grow out of a lost generation.
I guess the question is whether you consider either the Western or the Eastern German response a success? And was there reasonable alternatives available that could have lead to a better outcome? Very much what ifs but we don't really have much more to go by. Also am I wrong to think that significant portions of the far right support come from the former DDR rather than the West?
One big difference with the Nazi trials and the current events is that in the Capitol invasion it's much easier to prosecute the folk on the ground, there is ample evidence and they've committed quite obvious crimes. I don't think there would've been much justice in prosecuting Germans for being part of the party or armed forces etc. The high ups in Nuremberg and later folk connected to camps have been charged with genocide and crimes against humanity -level stuff if I'm not mistaken. My gut feeling is that those were much easier to get through courts than charges such as 'inciting a rebellion' will be against Trump and co.
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On January 09 2021 03:16 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 03:12 Zambrah wrote:On January 09 2021 03:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He can delay all he wants. But I'm pretty sure he'll hop on board. He's posturing at best. Manchin has no chance to keep his seat if he refuses this and he is aware. He's using the vaccine and unemployment as roadblocks to the stimulus checks coming down. If the rest buckle, the amount will just be lower but there will be another few rounds of checks. Just have to get the right SoT in. Posturing to lower the stimulus check still makes him a COLOSSAL piece of shit, and the fact that we're seeing Democrats work to make life harder for working Americans tells me we're going to see Obama but actually less impactful for the working class. Christ, and here I was thinking, "weve had a year of severe economic and health crisis's capped off with a literal insurrection, maybe Democrats will capitalize on this unique moment in history and actually aggressive push to help people." I need to work on keeping myself aggressively pessimistic. You can be as pessimistic as you want. No one is stopping you. Hope you feel better afterwards. But I can tell you it isn't good for any part of your well-being. Let them work first. See what is what and move forward. Wishful thinking but I see us being surprised by some stuff as the year develops, congressionally speaking.
Whats not good for my well being is following politics expecting anything but what I've observed over the past decade.
We've got two years where Democrats will be able to do anything, them floundering around trying to minimize their positive impact on working class Americans, wasting time in order to be shittier is exactly how they lose the Senate and the House in '22 and we arrive at another 2 to 6 years of being cock blocked by Republicans, Americans sinking into economic despair, racial inequity despair, general despair. This kind of shit is what drives people to think the fascistic nut is palatable, when politics appears so ineffective and mediocre, the fascist promising them decent lives starts to look like an appetizing option.
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On January 09 2021 01:39 Oukka wrote:
So is the reason Dems are moving slowly with impeachment to make it easier for Republican senators to swallow? Like holding the senate trials and votes a day or two before Trump's term ends gives them a chance to stand on the side of law, and could be sold to the electorate (excluding the hardest Trumpists obviously) as a necessary move. Basically let the hottest feelings cool down a bit but then go through the removal vote to take at least a cosmetic stance. Also would solve their Trump 2024 problem, having him legally barred from running may make their next years easier if they are truly willing to move past Trump.
I mean I hope there is some sort of negotiations going between the party whips on how to move on. I don't think dems want to impeach again without removal from office, and I'd like to hope that sufficient amount of R senators see this is as an impeachable offence. I think the fact that the MAGA crowd are turning on the establishment Republicans (even Pence being targeted is a pretty strong indicator that the loyalty of the MAGA+QAnon crowds are to Trump, not to the wider party) may make it easier for McConnell to support impeachment as well. Surely the conservatives won't consider keeping Trump around after this.
I'm not convinced that Republican establishment has had control since the tea party at least. Trump is just the first con man to take the reigns of the misinformation fed to these people every day. There is a reason half the Republican house voted against democracy after a failed coup and the country is electing QANON nut jobs.
I know Danglars posted about Republicans recovering down the line, but I'd be very interested in hearing how that happens. Almost every notable Republican in the past two decades has been denounced as a RINO as the party shifts further and further right. Ted Cruz has already jumped further down the MAGA road and I expect any Republican who wants a future in politics to do the same because Trumpism is Republican at this point.
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On January 09 2021 03:12 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 03:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He can delay all he wants. But I'm pretty sure he'll hop on board. He's posturing at best. Manchin has no chance to keep his seat if he refuses this and he is aware. He's using the vaccine and unemployment as roadblocks to the stimulus checks coming down. If the rest buckle, the amount will just be lower but there will be another few rounds of checks. Just have to get the right SoT in. Posturing to lower the stimulus check still makes him a COLOSSAL piece of shit, and the fact that we're seeing Democrats work to make life harder for working Americans tells me we're going to see Obama but actually less impactful for the working class. Christ, and here I was thinking, "weve had a year of severe economic and health crisis's capped off with a literal insurrection, maybe Democrats will capitalize on this unique moment in history and actually aggressive push to help people." I need to work on keeping myself aggressively pessimistic.
This is the same party who rallied around Joe Biden to defeat Bernie Sanders. They are neither willing nor capable of bringing about the change this country needs.
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On January 09 2021 03:17 Oukka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 02:57 Broetchenholer wrote:
By the way, as people have lauded the efficiency of Germanies dealing with the Nazis and changeing the society, there are three things to consider.
First. Especially Western Germany is famous for reintegrating Nazis into society and turning a blind eye to them wherever possible. The head of the party, where they got them, were punished, but the rest was in very high numbers just accepted back into society. The Russians did a much better job at keeping old functionaries and war criminals out of society. Western germany, not so much.
Second. Western Germany kept those people hidden by simply ignoring them. They remained in the society, they never mentioned what they did before and the fewest people bothered with more. People were educated in the rise of the third reich in the atrocities of the third reich but when it came to asking how the surviving men reintegrated into society, that education became a lot less focused. So, new generations just accepted that what their grandparents or parents collectively did was very wrong and can never happen again, but they also accepted that noone is actually personally responsible, especially not dear grandpa or the old strange man across the street.
Third. It is not allowed in germany to dispute the fact that the holocaust happened or to spread hate against people defined by religion, sexual orientation or descend. If someone does, it's jail time.
All three effects together mean, literal Nazis stayed in Germany and kept recruiting people to their ideology. They kept to themrselves and society for very long turned a blind eye unless they would public scream their hatred out into the world. And now they come out in droves, because they feel like they have regrown enough and are bold.
The point i am making is, jailing some people means nothing. Forbidding some intelectual property, like, lies about the outcome of an election, means nothing.
You need to shame people AND always keep discussing the events as something that will happen again. Only then you have a chance to grow out of a lost generation. I guess the question is whether you consider either the Western or the Eastern German response a success? And was there reasonable alternatives available that could have lead to a better outcome? Very much what ifs but we don't really have much more to go by. Also am I wrong to think that significant portions of the far right support come from the former DDR rather than the West? One big difference with the Nazi trials and the current events is that in the Capitol invasion it's much easier to prosecute the folk on the ground, there is ample evidence and they've committed quite obvious crimes. I don't think there would've been much justice in prosecuting Germans for being part of the party or armed forces etc. The high ups in Nuremberg and later folk connected to camps have been charged with genocide and crimes against humanity -level stuff if I'm not mistaken. My gut feeling is that those were much easier to get through courts than charges such as 'inciting a rebellion' will be against Trump and co.
Well the success lies with the Russians in this regard, but at what cost is the real question. It is obviously much easier to indoctrinate a population if thought is not free. Also, my grandfather lost 5 years in russian camps. The way he tells it, he was allowed to go because he had commited no crime and they were sure about it. Those they were not sure about did not return home and those they were sure did commit them, left before him. And never returned to Germany either. On the other hand, Western Germany saw people in politics that were straight out of the Nazi Executive.
Now, eastern germany has a higher percentage of far right citizens, but reason for that is not the DDR, but the fact that neonazi organisation used the quite bleak start of the new states to set root there and recruit the youth.
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On January 09 2021 03:33 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 03:12 Zambrah wrote:On January 09 2021 03:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He can delay all he wants. But I'm pretty sure he'll hop on board. He's posturing at best. Manchin has no chance to keep his seat if he refuses this and he is aware. He's using the vaccine and unemployment as roadblocks to the stimulus checks coming down. If the rest buckle, the amount will just be lower but there will be another few rounds of checks. Just have to get the right SoT in. Posturing to lower the stimulus check still makes him a COLOSSAL piece of shit, and the fact that we're seeing Democrats work to make life harder for working Americans tells me we're going to see Obama but actually less impactful for the working class. Christ, and here I was thinking, "weve had a year of severe economic and health crisis's capped off with a literal insurrection, maybe Democrats will capitalize on this unique moment in history and actually aggressive push to help people." I need to work on keeping myself aggressively pessimistic. This is the same party who rallied around Joe Biden to defeat Bernie Sanders. They are neither willing nor capable of bringing about the change this country needs.
Its mind boggling to me.
Like, WV is ranked 50/50 when it comes to income, the vast majority of WV would qualify for stimulus checks. He's actively working to make the lives of his constituents worse.
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On January 09 2021 03:58 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 03:33 StasisField wrote:On January 09 2021 03:12 Zambrah wrote:On January 09 2021 03:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He can delay all he wants. But I'm pretty sure he'll hop on board. He's posturing at best. Manchin has no chance to keep his seat if he refuses this and he is aware. He's using the vaccine and unemployment as roadblocks to the stimulus checks coming down. If the rest buckle, the amount will just be lower but there will be another few rounds of checks. Just have to get the right SoT in. Posturing to lower the stimulus check still makes him a COLOSSAL piece of shit, and the fact that we're seeing Democrats work to make life harder for working Americans tells me we're going to see Obama but actually less impactful for the working class. Christ, and here I was thinking, "weve had a year of severe economic and health crisis's capped off with a literal insurrection, maybe Democrats will capitalize on this unique moment in history and actually aggressive push to help people." I need to work on keeping myself aggressively pessimistic. This is the same party who rallied around Joe Biden to defeat Bernie Sanders. They are neither willing nor capable of bringing about the change this country needs. Its mind boggling to me. Like, WV is ranked 50/50 when it comes to income, the vast majority of WV would qualify for stimulus checks. He's actively working to make the lives of his constituents worse.
Yup, and he's supposed to be part of the party that fights for the poor and the oppressed. At least, that's what they claim to do. Not having a true leftwing party in America fucking sucks.
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The path to getting rid of Dems like Manchin goes through rehabilitating coal country. Unless and until we see some kind of rural renewal program akin to those implemented during the Dust Bowl, those who think themselves countryfolk will continue to cut off their nose to spite their face.
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On January 09 2021 04:02 farvacola wrote:
The path to getting rid of Dems like Manchin goes through rehabilitating coal country. Unless and until we see some kind of rural renewal program akin to those implemented during the Dust Bowl, those who think themselves countryfolk will continue to cut off their nose to spite their face.
But how do we get that when Democrats wont do it and Republicans wont do it?
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On January 09 2021 03:58 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 03:33 StasisField wrote:On January 09 2021 03:12 Zambrah wrote:On January 09 2021 03:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He can delay all he wants. But I'm pretty sure he'll hop on board. He's posturing at best. Manchin has no chance to keep his seat if he refuses this and he is aware. He's using the vaccine and unemployment as roadblocks to the stimulus checks coming down. If the rest buckle, the amount will just be lower but there will be another few rounds of checks. Just have to get the right SoT in. Posturing to lower the stimulus check still makes him a COLOSSAL piece of shit, and the fact that we're seeing Democrats work to make life harder for working Americans tells me we're going to see Obama but actually less impactful for the working class. Christ, and here I was thinking, "weve had a year of severe economic and health crisis's capped off with a literal insurrection, maybe Democrats will capitalize on this unique moment in history and actually aggressive push to help people." I need to work on keeping myself aggressively pessimistic. This is the same party who rallied around Joe Biden to defeat Bernie Sanders. They are neither willing nor capable of bringing about the change this country needs. Its mind boggling to me. Like, WV is ranked 50/50 when it comes to income, the vast majority of WV would qualify for stimulus checks. He's actively working to make the lives of his constituents worse. Seems normal for America.
I remember back when the ACA fight was going on you had the people who actually benefited from the bill protesting against it.
The power of bad education and Fox News at work.
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On January 09 2021 04:04 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 04:02 farvacola wrote:
The path to getting rid of Dems like Manchin goes through rehabilitating coal country. Unless and until we see some kind of rural renewal program akin to those implemented during the Dust Bowl, those who think themselves countryfolk will continue to cut off their nose to spite their face. But how do we get that when Democrats wont do it and Republicans wont do it?
Support a politics of virtue, a politics that stands up for the right thing regardless of the perceived political cost. Dems are so out of practice doing it that it seems impossible, but all of this instability is fertile ground for pushing a new slate of politicians in the vein of AOC and Tlaib. As I have said before, it'll take something like one part FDR, one part JFK, one part LBJ, and a filler of average people willing to remain engaged in politics. Agitate, agitate, agitate.
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On January 09 2021 04:04 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 04:02 farvacola wrote:
The path to getting rid of Dems like Manchin goes through rehabilitating coal country. Unless and until we see some kind of rural renewal program akin to those implemented during the Dust Bowl, those who think themselves countryfolk will continue to cut off their nose to spite their face. But how do we get that when Democrats wont do it and Republicans wont do it?
On January 09 2021 04:07 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 03:58 Zambrah wrote:On January 09 2021 03:33 StasisField wrote:On January 09 2021 03:12 Zambrah wrote:On January 09 2021 03:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
He can delay all he wants. But I'm pretty sure he'll hop on board. He's posturing at best. Manchin has no chance to keep his seat if he refuses this and he is aware. He's using the vaccine and unemployment as roadblocks to the stimulus checks coming down. If the rest buckle, the amount will just be lower but there will be another few rounds of checks. Just have to get the right SoT in. Posturing to lower the stimulus check still makes him a COLOSSAL piece of shit, and the fact that we're seeing Democrats work to make life harder for working Americans tells me we're going to see Obama but actually less impactful for the working class. Christ, and here I was thinking, "weve had a year of severe economic and health crisis's capped off with a literal insurrection, maybe Democrats will capitalize on this unique moment in history and actually aggressive push to help people." I need to work on keeping myself aggressively pessimistic. This is the same party who rallied around Joe Biden to defeat Bernie Sanders. They are neither willing nor capable of bringing about the change this country needs. Its mind boggling to me. Like, WV is ranked 50/50 when it comes to income, the vast majority of WV would qualify for stimulus checks. He's actively working to make the lives of his constituents worse. Seems normal for America. I remember back when the ACA fight was going on you had the people who actually benefited from the bill protesting against it. The power of bad education and Fox News at work.
What do we even do to fix it? We get tiny bursts where Democrats are in real actual power and so often they squander it by doing fuck all.
I mean, would reinstating the Fairness Doctrine that Reagan fucked up help? Would Democrats dare to try and pass something that Reagan didnt want?
Like if we just saw an insurrection in the capitol and thats not enough to get every Democrat on board to make big changes, what kind of action does America have that can spur politicians to DO something?
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On January 09 2021 03:17 Oukka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 02:57 Broetchenholer wrote:
By the way, as people have lauded the efficiency of Germanies dealing with the Nazis and changeing the society, there are three things to consider.
First. Especially Western Germany is famous for reintegrating Nazis into society and turning a blind eye to them wherever possible. The head of the party, where they got them, were punished, but the rest was in very high numbers just accepted back into society. The Russians did a much better job at keeping old functionaries and war criminals out of society. Western germany, not so much.
Second. Western Germany kept those people hidden by simply ignoring them. They remained in the society, they never mentioned what they did before and the fewest people bothered with more. People were educated in the rise of the third reich in the atrocities of the third reich but when it came to asking how the surviving men reintegrated into society, that education became a lot less focused. So, new generations just accepted that what their grandparents or parents collectively did was very wrong and can never happen again, but they also accepted that noone is actually personally responsible, especially not dear grandpa or the old strange man across the street.
Third. It is not allowed in germany to dispute the fact that the holocaust happened or to spread hate against people defined by religion, sexual orientation or descend. If someone does, it's jail time.
All three effects together mean, literal Nazis stayed in Germany and kept recruiting people to their ideology. They kept to themrselves and society for very long turned a blind eye unless they would public scream their hatred out into the world. And now they come out in droves, because they feel like they have regrown enough and are bold.
The point i am making is, jailing some people means nothing. Forbidding some intelectual property, like, lies about the outcome of an election, means nothing.
You need to shame people AND always keep discussing the events as something that will happen again. Only then you have a chance to grow out of a lost generation. I guess the question is whether you consider either the Western or the Eastern German response a success? And was there reasonable alternatives available that could have lead to a better outcome? Very much what ifs but we don't really have much more to go by. Also am I wrong to think that significant portions of the far right support come from the former DDR rather than the West? One big difference with the Nazi trials and the current events is that in the Capitol invasion it's much easier to prosecute the folk on the ground, there is ample evidence and they've committed quite obvious crimes. I don't think there would've been much justice in prosecuting Germans for being part of the party or armed forces etc. The high ups in Nuremberg and later folk connected to camps have been charged with genocide and crimes against humanity -level stuff if I'm not mistaken. My gut feeling is that those were much easier to get through courts than charges such as 'inciting a rebellion' will be against Trump and co.
IIRC, roughly half of the victims in occupied Poland died in the camps. There were hundreds of massacres committed by regular Wehrmacht troops, as well as some 100-200 bombings by Luftwaffe.
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And we have Lindsay Graham calling to protect Trump from impeachment.
Republicans have learned nothing, they will never learn anything, they will prevent anyone associated with them from experiencing any consequences for as long as they are physically able to do so.
"As President Donald Trump stated last night, it is time to heal and move on."
Yes, the man who helped incite an armed insurrection that flew Confederate and Nazi flags in the Capitol of the United fucking States of America is someone whose words we should heed. Lets move on everyone, they only invaded the Capitol building and flew Nazi and Confederate flags and desecrated American democracy in innumerable ways!
Republicans are clearly posturing themselves to try and keep moderate Republicans and Trump voters in the same camp and guess what? Its going to work. You're going to see Trump slide out of office safe and sound, and then youre going to see Trumpism continue on at work, chugging along with the likes of Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley feeding it as it grows. Voters will say, "Trump is gone, Trumpism is gone!" as they proceed to vote for Neo-Trumpism and excuse it all as, "sure hes not perfect, but he sure is getting a bunch of judges approved!"
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1347568532951867392?s=20
WARNING: Enraged ranting below
+ Show Spoiler +Can you fucking IMAGINE if this ARMED FUCKING COUP was done by the left? LINDSAY GRAHAM AND THE REPUBLICANS WOULD BE SETTING FUCKING EXECUTION DATES. Democrats would be RESIGNING, theyd be being forcibly expelled with the help of the fucking Joe Manchins, they'd have Bernie put in jail for the rest of his life.
But no. Its white supremacists, and GOD KNOWS we just can't make those poor, poor armed white supremacists and the people who incited them into an ARMED INSURRECTION face any consequences, after all they're Republicans! We LOVE Republicans, we LOVE UNITY with proto-fascists who inspire ARMED INSURRECTION. There are good guy Republicans after all! They knew when to stand up to Trump! Yep, directly after he instigated a proto-fascist attempted coup! But dont worry, they didnt let emotions run high, they took their time to think really logically and a few days later they started to come to the conclusion that we should UNITE together in forgiving Donald Trump for inciting armed insurrection! God Bless their levelheaded fairness, how ever could America survive without the kind of strong powerful unity driven leadership amongst proto-fascists and their would be appeasers!
This country is going to unite so hard with the Republicans we're going to unite ourselves into fascism and we'll all go, "boy, I wish we had voted slightly differently! But I guess it can't be helped!"
Fucking GOD this situation is vile and disgusting.
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