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To add to what you posted Syldie, Maryland's governer says he was repeatedly denied authorization to send in the national guard. The person denying the requests was defense secretary Stephen Miller who Trump appointed shortly after losing the election.
Hogan said during a press conference that he convened an emergency meeting of his “unified command team” when he was informed of a mob of Trump supporters descending on the Capitol as lawmakers attempted to certify President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.
Hogan says he mobilized 200 “specially trained” state troopers and instructed Maj. Gen. Timothy Gowen, the general of the Maryland National Guard, to mobilize his troops.
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer called Hogan from an “undisclosed bunker” and were “pleading” with him for assistance from his state and national forces, the governor said.
However, Hogan, who requires the Department of Defense’s authority to mobilize his National Guard troops, said he was “repeatedly denied” approval to do so from the Pentagon despite being “ready, willing and able” to assist.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/01/07/maryland-governor-says-pentagon-repeatedly-denied-approval-to-send-national-guard-to-capitol/?sh=20b807ba6cb4
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yeah, what possible bad precent could we set if we pardon the president for trying to stage a coup to remain in power....
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At some point, you have to break the chain and deploy the fucking troops, consequences be damned. This waffling over authority and whatnot is infuriating as fuck. The capitol building was stormed. Send them the fuck in. Deal with whatever later.
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On January 09 2021 00:32 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
At some point, you have to break the chain and deploy the fucking troops, consequences be damned. This waffling over authority and whatnot is infuriating as fuck. The capitol building was stormed. Send them the fuck in. Deal with whatever later. Which may have been what Pence ended up doing.
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On January 09 2021 00:35 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 00:32 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
At some point, you have to break the chain and deploy the fucking troops, consequences be damned. This waffling over authority and whatnot is infuriating as fuck. The capitol building was stormed. Send them the fuck in. Deal with whatever later. Which may have been what Pence ended up doing.
Indeed. My gut feeling is that a "silent 25th" was put in place at that point, and nobody is really taking orders from the president anymore.
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The question is did Trump instruct his loyalists in the pentagon, who he'd just installed in November, to deliberately withhold aid while he sent an angry mob to the capitol?
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On January 09 2021 00:41 Starlightsun wrote:
The question is did Trump instruct his loyalists in the pentagon, who he'd just installed in November, to deliberately withhold aid while he sent an angry mob to the capitol?
The reporting on this specific question is spotty, but it is looking increasingly likely that the slow response was at least somewhat related to deliberate acts on the part of Trump sympathetic actors at DoD and the Capitol Police.
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On January 09 2021 00:41 Starlightsun wrote:
The question is did Trump instruct his loyalists in the pentagon, who he'd just installed in November, to deliberately withhold aid while he sent an angry mob to the capitol? Probably hard to prove without a smoking gun email but what legit reason could the DoD possibly have to withhold the national guard while the capitol is being stormed?
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Yeah..., Looks more and more like a deliberate attempt to stage (or let happen) a coup and less and less like some Trump morons doing moronic things and just getting sent home.
Except, being Trump, it's a shit coup, everyone involved is retarded and it ends up doing pretty much the opposite of what was intended.
A fine way to end that presidency.
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There's also reports of capitol police literally giving directions to the insurrectionists in the capitol at first when they asked where places were.
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On January 09 2021 01:19 Nevuk wrote:
There's also reports of capitol police literally giving directions to the insurrectionists in the capitol at first when they asked where places were.
You got sources about that, though?
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On January 09 2021 01:21 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 01:19 Nevuk wrote:
There's also reports of capitol police literally giving directions to the insurrectionists in the capitol at first when they asked where places were. You got sources about that, though?
Capitol police ? Is that the same as Capitol security ?
It doesn't seem too far fetched, considering some policemen happily took selfies with some of those traitors.
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On January 09 2021 01:21 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2021 01:19 Nevuk wrote:
There's also reports of capitol police literally giving directions to the insurrectionists in the capitol at first when they asked where places were. You got sources about that, though?
“We wanted to have a few words” with Mr. Schumer, he said. “He’s probably the most corrupt guy up here. You don’t hear too much about him. But he’s slimy. You can just see it.” But they could not find Mr. Schumer’s office. He said they asked a Capitol Police officer, who tried to direct them. But they appeared to have gotten nowhere near the minority’s leader’s office. They ended up smoking a few cigarettes inside the building — “We can smoke in our house,” Aaron said — and one of his friends, who would not give his name, joked that he had gone to the bathroom and not flushed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/us/names-of-rioters-capitol.html
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the capitol police are a federal police force tasked with securing the united states congress. like the secret service but for congress. they have exclusive jurisdiction on capitol grounds.
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After this. I sincerely hope that it stops being considered hyperbole to call the republicans that follow Trump (which is like, what, close to 50% or more of republicans at this point?) what they are.
Facists.
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On January 09 2021 01:27 brian wrote:
the capitol police are a federal police force tasked with securing the united states congress. like the secret service but for congress. they have exclusive jurisdiction on capitol grounds.
Didnt the sergeant at arms protect the congress ? I thought the capitol police was directly under him ?
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The sergeants at arms of the House and Senate serve on the Board of the Capitol Police, but do not direct or supervise that entity, which is a task given to the Chief of the Capitol Police. Basically, their authority begins at ends at the doors of the chambers they serve in.
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I think the presidential pardon as a whole needs to go. It should be that the president can bring it up to congress or something. Have the senate vote on a pardon.
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On January 09 2021 01:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I think the presidential pardon as a whole needs to go. It should be that the president can bring it up to congress or something. Have the senate vote on a pardon.
There are a TREMENDOUS numbers of norms in government that Democrats are going to need to spend the next year codifying into law.
We should search day by day from day one of Trump's presidency and compile a list.
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So is the reason Dems are moving slowly with impeachment to make it easier for Republican senators to swallow? Like holding the senate trials and votes a day or two before Trump's term ends gives them a chance to stand on the side of law, and could be sold to the electorate (excluding the hardest Trumpists obviously) as a necessary move. Basically let the hottest feelings cool down a bit but then go through the removal vote to take at least a cosmetic stance. Also would solve their Trump 2024 problem, having him legally barred from running may make their next years easier if they are truly willing to move past Trump.
I mean I hope there is some sort of negotiations going between the party whips on how to move on. I don't think dems want to impeach again without removal from office, and I'd like to hope that sufficient amount of R senators see this is as an impeachable offence. I think the fact that the MAGA crowd are turning on the establishment Republicans (even Pence being targeted is a pretty strong indicator that the loyalty of the MAGA+QAnon crowds are to Trump, not to the wider party) may make it easier for McConnell to support impeachment as well. Surely the conservatives won't consider keeping Trump around after this.
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