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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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PoulsenB
Poland7758 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 08 2021 02:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Erasme is not Mohdoo. You are not Mohdoo either. mohdoo has already written what he has prior. The remilitarization of the Rhineland can hardly be described as the trigger for WW2 anyways, any more than the annexation of Sudetenland. I would argue none of that ends up happening without fascism being allowed to fester. In the absence of fascism, I don't think WW2 would have happened. My point is that fascism is a uniquely bad situation that really does need to get crushed into dust and then buried underground. We don't benefit from pretending it has valid rights to participate in the market of ideas. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On January 08 2021 02:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I agree,stomp on the root of fascism as early as possible, but nonsensical arguments are still stupid arguments that make no sense even if they support me. You were the only one not getting it, that doesnt make the argument worthless. It just shows that you dont really know the events leading to ww2. I sughest reading Rise and Fall of The Third Reich. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
That you are arguing for someone else who is going for an entirely different line of argumentation is somewhat strange. You know, we are all agree on the same thing here right? The roots of facism should be stamped out. Crushed to dust. We don't benefit from pretending it has valid rights to participate in the market of ideas. Whatever phrase and idioms you like to use. But comparisons to triggering WW2 itself isn't helpful. We don't have to act like a mindless cheer club to each other just because we share the same views. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 08 2021 02:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Events leading up to WW2 is not the same as the trigger for ww2. To argue the militarization of the Rhineland is the trigger for WW2 than the actual declarations of WW2 is laughable. I understand what you're saying here and you're not wrong, I just honestly didn't think the distinction was necessary and I was being lazy. I think other people understood what I meant, but you are right to point out that I technically used improper phrasing. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22610 Posts
On January 08 2021 02:34 PoulsenB wrote: If the VP + Cabinet thinks the President is unable to do his duty they can remove him from power.Can someone give me the ELI5 for 25th amendement? Be it because he is unconscious, insane or whatever reason they deem appropriate. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On January 08 2021 02:43 Neneu wrote: Is this when I bring forth my opinion that Japan's invasion of Manchuria in 1931 was the actual start of ww2? Since it is the day for controversial viewpoints. Some would say ww2 ended when Japan attacked Russia and got soundly defeated. Your opinion isnt a revolutionary as you think it is. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On January 08 2021 02:43 Neneu wrote: Is this when I bring forth my opinion that Japan's invasion of Manchuria in 1931 was the actual start of ww2? Since it is the day for controversial viewpoints. Nothing ruins a conversation quite as drastically as a WW2 argument. Please no. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On January 08 2021 02:44 Erasme wrote: Some would say ww2 ended when Japan attacked Russia and got soundly defeated. Your opinion isnt a revolutionary as you think it is. I don't think it is revolutionary at all. I however think it might be controversial on this board. | ||
KwarK
United States44314 Posts
On January 08 2021 02:43 Neneu wrote: Is this when I bring forth my opinion that Japan's invasion of Manchuria in 1931 was the actual start of ww2? Since it is the day for controversial viewpoints. How is that controversial? Japan and China were two belligerents in WW2 and they went to war in 1931. Everyone else joined in late. Dating it to 1939 when Germany got involved is no more rational than dating it to 1941 when the Americans joined. If we imagine WW2 as a continuous WWE style tag team match with various allstars showing up, teaming up, switching sides, and leaving over time then the 1931 intro featuring Japan and China is the start. Some people just only started watching when their favourite wrestler showed up. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On January 08 2021 02:45 Mohdoo wrote: Dude, you triggered it.Nothing ruins a conversation quite as drastically as a WW2 argument. Please no. | ||
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KwarK
United States44314 Posts
On January 08 2021 02:48 Dangermousecatdog wrote: In popular Euro-American centric worldview anything Japan does before pearl harbour tends to be forgotten. You might as well say that WW2 is just a continuation of the 1904 Russo-Japanese War if you include Japan's invasion of Manchuria. No, you might not as well say that because hostilities ended between those two dates. We're looking for a continuous scrap with a rotating cast. Once the last two fighters stop fighting the war is over. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
But yeah, history shows that you need to destroy the roots of fascism as fast as possible. | ||
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KwarK
United States44314 Posts
On January 08 2021 02:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Ah, but then Cold War could be said as a continuation of the Soviet peoples war which proceeded immediately after, so until 1990 did WW2 finally ended. Except for how they weren’t at war. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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KwarK
United States44314 Posts
On January 08 2021 03:01 Dangermousecatdog wrote: About as tenuous as the idea of a series of distinct wars being a rotating cast of nations, rather than a series of, well, distinct wars. Sorry, is your stance here that China and Japan weren't in WW2, they were still in the 1931-1945 Sino Japanese war as a distinct thing or is your stance that they were in WW2, and in the Sino Japanese war, but one war ended (possibly in 1941?) and another started at the same time? I ask because you specify that it's a series of distinct wars which requires that you be able to distinguish between them. Obviously I can't distinguish between them but that's because I can't see how these are distinct wars. Please go ahead and distinguish. | ||
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