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Harmless people just doing harmless things, its all political theatre! It surely won't increase Trump's persecution complex that the world is out to get him! Stop taking everything so seriously, its just all political theatre, did you know Democrats do this too!
I'm just so tied from the excuses of the last 4 years. It didn't have to come to this if Republicans weren't so craven to sacrifice everything for the Supreme Court. Apparently it took them storming Capitol Hill for them to think things have finally gone too far. And even then, it had to take a white woman to get shot for Trump supporters to finally get that its not going to be a one sided conflict where Antifa get lined up and shot within a day and everything goes back to normal.
This is American Conservatism now. No values whatsoever because its been hijacked by opportunists who get their power by pushing conspiracies that make absolutely no sense but don't need to because their base refuses to listen to anyone else.
Schumer (to his credit is calling for it immediately) and Pelosi better manage to get Impeachment up on the table again, if only so we can get one last formal count of the Republican Senators so devoid of character to vote no.
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Unsurprisingly, police union backs MAGA protestors and is just pretending they just did a little bit of harmless trespassing. Example #125783 that the police are infested with the far right and don't have your interest at heart unless you are white and obviously right leaning.
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On January 08 2021 01:46 Erasme wrote:
Removing people who oppose democracy isnt an attack on it, quite the opposite..
Sometimes it feels like people forget the underlying mechanisms that triggered WW2. Its wrong to kill, its wrong to harm, its wrong to silence, its wrong to imprison, but we can analyze a variety of situations to find when it is a huge net benefit to do those things.
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On January 08 2021 01:58 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 01:46 Erasme wrote:
Removing people who oppose democracy isnt an attack on it, quite the opposite..
Sometimes it feels like people forget the underlying mechanisms that triggered WW2. Its wrong to kill, its wrong to harm, its wrong to silence, its wrong to imprison, but we can analyze a variety of situations to find when it is a huge net benefit to do those things. What does Lebensraum have to do with anything we are discussing here?
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On January 08 2021 01:47 StalkerTL wrote:
I'm just so tied from the excuses of the last 4 years. It didn't have to come to this if Republicans weren't so craven to sacrifice everything for the Supreme Court. Apparently it took them storming Capitol Hill for them to think things have finally gone too far. And even then, it had to take a white woman to get shot for Trump supporters to finally get that its not going to be a one sided conflict where Antifa get lined up and shot within a day and everything goes back to normal.
The video of that woman getting shot was absolutely mind blowing. Everyone has seen the videos of the police letting the protesters through the gates probably, but secret service does not play games.
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On January 08 2021 02:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 01:58 Mohdoo wrote:On January 08 2021 01:46 Erasme wrote:
Removing people who oppose democracy isnt an attack on it, quite the opposite..
Sometimes it feels like people forget the underlying mechanisms that triggered WW2. Its wrong to kill, its wrong to harm, its wrong to silence, its wrong to imprison, but we can analyze a variety of situations to find when it is a huge net benefit to do those things. What does Lebensraum have to do with anything we are discussing here?
Shitty people doing shitty things makes it morally permissible to do things that we otherwise consider unethical to them.
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Schumer is calling for Trump's immediate removal. So, at least some progress from one of the leaders of the democratic party. Says need to reconvene if 25th won't happen.
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Ok, but what has that got to do with anything that was being discussed? You clearly want to talk about something, so talk about it, not make wierd allusions that doesn't connect with anything. None of us are talking about killing anybody or making living space so...?
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On January 08 2021 02:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 01:58 Mohdoo wrote:On January 08 2021 01:46 Erasme wrote:
Removing people who oppose democracy isnt an attack on it, quite the opposite..
Sometimes it feels like people forget the underlying mechanisms that triggered WW2. Its wrong to kill, its wrong to harm, its wrong to silence, its wrong to imprison, but we can analyze a variety of situations to find when it is a huge net benefit to do those things. What does Lebensraum have to do with anything we are discussing here?
Appeasing fascists doesnt work. If France went to war in 36, it would have lasted 5days.
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On January 08 2021 02:10 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Ok, but what has that got to do with anything that was being discussed? You clearly want to talk about something, so talk about it, not make wierd allusions that doesn't connect with anything. None of us are talking about killing anybody or making living space so...?
I believe its in response to the insistence that we counter fascism in the market place of ideas sort of scope rather than a kick their asses to the curb forcibly sort of scope that we've been debating with Neneu
Basically yeah, dont appease fascists, dont play the fascists games, dont let them get away with literally anything, and if you see fascism coming you rip it out before it takes root, not give it time to dig in and entrench itself
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On January 08 2021 01:40 Slydie wrote:
I don't think the Democrats should do anything unless asked to, but an internal purge in the GoP should happen, as well as investigating and charge people if crimes were committed.
I agree completely that politicians need to be held accountable for their lies again. a majority of the Republican House voted to overturn the election.
Hard to have an internal purge when the bad outnumbers the good.
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I think you fundamentally misunderstand what triggered WW2. Germany invading Poland, not France was the trigger for WW2. But whatever. It's quite the leap to go from equating discussing ways for a democracy to defend itself from being undermined to go straight to WW2 warfare.
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So, the WH pulled their nomination for the acting secretary of DHS an hour after he condemned the attack. So I don't believe Trump's statement that he will peacefully transition power. He HAS to go.
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On January 08 2021 02:19 Nevuk wrote:
So, the WH pulled their nomination for the acting secretary of DHS an hour after he condemned the attack. So I don't believe Trump's statement that he will peacefully transition power. He HAS to go.
Between the Georgia call, yesterday's rally, and the mini coup attempt, there's little doubt left that he's going to be dragged kicking and screaming out of office.
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On January 08 2021 02:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I think you fundamentally misunderstand what triggered WW2. Germany invading Poland, not France was the trigger for WW2. But whatever. It's quite the leap to go from equating discussing ways for a democracy to defend itself from being undermined to go straight to WW2 warfare.
He said in 36. I think you misunderstand here. He's talking about the remilitarization of the Rhineland.
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Good on Schumer for calling for action one way or another, he cannot be allowed to finish his term, I'd rather see him removed from office after impeachment but 25th amendment beats letting him stay.
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On January 08 2021 02:26 Zambrah wrote:
Good on Schumer for calling for action one way or another, he cannot be allowed to finish his term, I'd rather see him removed from office after impeachment but 25th amendment beats letting him stay.
Agreed. Our president orchestrated a violent insurrection and attempted a coup. We cannot let this slide.
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On January 08 2021 02:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I think you fundamentally misunderstand what triggered WW2. Germany invading Poland, not France was the trigger for WW2. But whatever. It's quite the leap to go from equating discussing ways for a democracy to defend itself from being undermined to go straight to WW2 warfare.
Western democracies were too afraid to go back to war and hoped that by appeasing Hitler, he would calm himself. The french government knew that war was inevitable but they just delayed it.
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On January 08 2021 02:25 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 02:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I think you fundamentally misunderstand what triggered WW2. Germany invading Poland, not France was the trigger for WW2. But whatever. It's quite the leap to go from equating discussing ways for a democracy to defend itself from being undermined to go straight to WW2 warfare. He said in 36. I think you misunderstand here. He's talking about the remilitarization of the Rhineland.
Erasme is not Mohdoo. You are not Mohdoo either. mohdoo has already written what he has prior. The remilitarization of the Rhineland can hardly be described as the trigger for WW2 anyways, any more than the annexation of Sudetenland.
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On January 08 2021 02:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I think you fundamentally misunderstand what triggered WW2. Germany invading Poland, not France was the trigger for WW2. But whatever. It's quite the leap to go from equating discussing ways for a democracy to defend itself from being undermined to go straight to WW2 warfare.
Well, Hitler did invade a couple of other countries before attacking Poland.
What Erasme is alluding to here, I think, is Germany remilitarizing the Rhineland (then demilitarized due to the Versaille treaty). Which, in conjunction with the newly instated military service, was an indicator of what the newly found German confidence would amout to in the coming years.
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On January 08 2021 02:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 02:25 KwarK wrote:On January 08 2021 02:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I think you fundamentally misunderstand what triggered WW2. Germany invading Poland, not France was the trigger for WW2. But whatever. It's quite the leap to go from equating discussing ways for a democracy to defend itself from being undermined to go straight to WW2 warfare. He said in 36. I think you misunderstand here. He's talking about the remilitarization of the Rhineland. Erasme is not Mohdoo. The remilitarization of the Rhineland can hardly be described as the trigger for WW2 anyways, any more than the annexation of Sudetenland.
You keep on misunderstanding. We are saying that you need to stomp on the root of fascism as early as possible.
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