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On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone.
It is good to have someone who understands how the protesters feel here.
However, a lot of the judges who dismissed those cases were appointed by Trump himself, and others by Bush. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof, and there was no proof there. Even the GoP congress members don't claim that there is any proof, but state that the lawsuits filed were enough to justify their obstruction.
The Trump cronies are actually discrediting the judicial system just as much as the election system, both pillars in the US democracy.
The only way out of this "mess" according to your logic is to go full-on facist and construct a parallelle "real" justice system which will always do your bidding, regardless of what merit the cases have.
Bush jr. actually did something similar after 9/11.
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On January 07 2021 18:28 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:22 Starlightsun wrote:On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. Because you say so? Where are you getting this information from? Because thats the way things go when the political system in countries start going downhill like this. Throwing out cases without even letting any evidance be presented is not normal. This is nothing for people that are already all in on elecrion rigging.
It went in front of the judges but they didn't have any evidence to produce. You want some of the verbatim? It's incredibly embarrassing.
Democracy dies when the side in power stops recognizing legitimate results and just says "nah, that's cheating we stay here". That's what is happening now.
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On January 07 2021 18:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100. what does your list even mean? just a bunch of vague descriptions that dont actually provide insight on what your priorities are. the only thing that is abundantly clear is youre a gun nut and would defend that at all costs. the irony in your last sentence is outstanding
I literally spelled out many of my priorities out for you lol. There's nothing unclear about it.
Gun rights are paramount for me, yes.
What is the irony in my last sentence? It's nothing more than my opinion.
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On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100.
Wow, I am honestly sorry for you then.
You re a Fascist. Like my Grand - Grandfather was.
I m not arguing with you then.
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On January 07 2021 18:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. Edit: in any case the vote should have been invalidated in all states using the dominion voting system and should have been repeated (normal voting, without the machines). Nobody would have contested the results after that At least conspiracy theorists try to present (bad) sources. You just go around saying something happened with no evidence and deflect by making an even bigger conspiracy theory when asked about them. You can do better than that.
The same people that have been spouting for four years now that 'Russia hacked their elections', citing sources that contained not even a microbe of evidance are now saying the US election system is 'ths most secure in the World'. No way anything could ever happen, nada, zilch! Here are the same sources that have been trumpeting on about election medeling for four years:
Anyway, what I am stating is my opinion and view on the goings on in US politics at the moment. You all have access to the same information I have. I can interpret it one way, you can interpret it in your way. Feel free to look into what I am writting for yourself. I don't see anyone posting sources when they write that there was no election fraud, but Ive looked into it myself. Not very compeling arguments that there was no election fraud, so Ill stick with what is more plausable
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On January 07 2021 18:38 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100. what does your list even mean? just a bunch of vague descriptions that dont actually provide insight on what your priorities are. the only thing that is abundantly clear is youre a gun nut and would defend that at all costs. the irony in your last sentence is outstanding I literally spelled out many of my priorities out for you lol. There's nothing unclear about it. Gun rights are paramount for me, yes. What is the irony in my last sentence? It's nothing more than my opinion.
I don't understand the gun thing. I never touched a gun in my life and have never seen one outside the hands of a police officer or a hunter. I know people who shoot for sport though.
It makes zero difference in my life. I am quite happy that the times I got mugged in Europe (actually, was always in London), my aggressors didn't have guns. That's always good to know.
I know there is a gun thread and it's not the topic, but is it that important to you?
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On January 07 2021 18:22 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. LOL Just goes to show that once someone has an insane conspiracy theory in their head, there is literally nothing anyone on Earth can do to ever change their mind. PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Jock, I'm no mod, but there's no need to be this uncivil. As Slydie said, I find it really interesting to read zeo's responses from someone who is actually suffering through actual election-rigging and helps us understand the thought process behind a lot of these Trump supporters.
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On January 07 2021 18:42 zeo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 07 2021 18:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. Edit: in any case the vote should have been invalidated in all states using the dominion voting system and should have been repeated (normal voting, without the machines). Nobody would have contested the results after that At least conspiracy theorists try to present (bad) sources. You just go around saying something happened with no evidence and deflect by making an even bigger conspiracy theory when asked about them. You can do better than that. The same people that have been spouting for four years now that 'Russia hacked their elections', citing sources that contained not even a microbe of evidance are now saying the US election system is 'ths most secure in the World'. No way anything could ever happen, nada, zilch! Here are the same sources that have been trumpeting on about election medeling for four years: Anyway, what I am stating is my opinion and view on the goings on in US politics at the moment. You all have access to the same information I have. I can interpret it one way, you can interpret it in your way. Feel free to look into what I am writting for yourself. I don't see anyone posting sources when they write that there was no election fraud, but Ive looked into it myself. Not very compeling arguments that there was no election fraud, so Ill stick with what is more plausable
That impeachment trial where NO EVIDENCE was allowed to be brought forward? Weren't you objecting to stuff like that a couple of minutes ago?
Edit: Trump just comitted to a peaceful transition of power on January 20th.
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On January 07 2021 18:42 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. Edit: in any case the vote should have been invalidated in all states using the dominion voting system and should have been repeated (normal voting, without the machines). Nobody would have contested the results after that At least conspiracy theorists try to present (bad) sources. You just go around saying something happened with no evidence and deflect by making an even bigger conspiracy theory when asked about them. You can do better than that. The same people that have been spouting for four years now that 'Russia hacked their elections', citing sources that contained not even a microbe of evidance are now saying the US election system is 'ths most secure in the World'. No way anything could ever happen, nada, zilch! Here are the same sources that have been trumpeting on about election medeling for four years: Anyway, what I am stating is my opinion and view on the goings on in US politics at the moment. You all have access to the same information I have. I can interpret it one way, you can interpret it in your way. Feel free to look into what I am writting for yourself. I don't see anyone posting sources when they write that there was no election fraud, but Ive looked into it myself. Not very compeling arguments that there was no election fraud, so Ill stick with what is more plausable
Are you comparing elections in Russia and the US? Lolilol
Hey, here is a question for you. Have you noticed that Biden won against a guy from the other side, and that that guy had won from a guy of the other side, who had himself won from a guy from the other side?
Have you noticed that before Putin there was Putin, and before Putin before Putin there was Medvedev but it was a big joke and Putin was actually governing, and before Medvedev was Putin, and before Putin before Medvedev was also Putin?
See where I am going at with that?
Also there are mountains if evidence that Russia is not a democracy at all. Like, you know, the leaders of the opposition being poisoned or shot or in jail, and little details like that.
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On January 07 2021 18:48 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:42 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. Edit: in any case the vote should have been invalidated in all states using the dominion voting system and should have been repeated (normal voting, without the machines). Nobody would have contested the results after that At least conspiracy theorists try to present (bad) sources. You just go around saying something happened with no evidence and deflect by making an even bigger conspiracy theory when asked about them. You can do better than that. The same people that have been spouting for four years now that 'Russia hacked their elections', citing sources that contained not even a microbe of evidance are now saying the US election system is 'ths most secure in the World'. No way anything could ever happen, nada, zilch! Here are the same sources that have been trumpeting on about election medeling for four years: Anyway, what I am stating is my opinion and view on the goings on in US politics at the moment. You all have access to the same information I have. I can interpret it one way, you can interpret it in your way. Feel free to look into what I am writting for yourself. I don't see anyone posting sources when they write that there was no election fraud, but Ive looked into it myself. Not very compeling arguments that there was no election fraud, so Ill stick with what is more plausable Are you comparing elections in Russia and the US? Lolilol Hey, here is a question for you. Have you noticed that Biden won against a guy from the other side, and that that guy had won from a guy of the other side, who had himself won from a guy from the other side? Have you noticed that before Putin there was Putin, and before Putin before Putin there was Medvedev but it was a big joke and Putin was actually governing, and before Medvedev was Putin, and before Putin before Medvedev was also Putin? See where I am going at with that? Also there are mountains if evidence that Russia is not a democracy at all. Like, you know, the leaders of the opposition being poisoned or shot or in jail, and little details like that.
I believe he was referring to the Russian interference in 2016 US elections, not to elections in Russia.
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On January 07 2021 18:43 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. LOL Just goes to show that once someone has an insane conspiracy theory in their head, there is literally nothing anyone on Earth can do to ever change their mind. PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP. Jock, I'm no mod, but there's no need to be this uncivil. As Slydie said, I find it really interesting to read zeo's responses from someone who is actually suffering through actual election-rigging and helps us understand the thought process behind a lot of these Trump supporters.
There's a very strong link between rancid beliefs like zeo's and the kind of political violence we saw yesterday. Continuing to spread the baseless conspiracy theories on the internet makes continued violence more likely. Demanding evidence is the least people should be doing to remove this kind of cancerous conspiracy theory from the internet.
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What? I wasnt compairing the elections between the US and Russia at all. Political life in eastern Europe is way behind the US, which is why its sad to see this happening in America
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On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100.
So you prioritize carrying a gun over having/living in a functional democracy or even just a country where laws and rules mean something?
Btw I think american democracy could learn a lot from the german (and allied) Grundgesetz. Have you every been to one of those countries you mentioned?
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On January 07 2021 18:43 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. LOL Just goes to show that once someone has an insane conspiracy theory in their head, there is literally nothing anyone on Earth can do to ever change their mind. PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP. Jock, I'm no mod, but there's no need to be this uncivil. As Slydie said, I find it really interesting to read zeo's responses from someone who is actually suffering through actual election-rigging and helps us understand the thought process behind a lot of these Trump supporters.
How is projecting his experience with Serbian elections onto American ones "helping you understand the thought process behind Trump supporters"? These American protestors have not even experienced election rigging. Blindly believing conspiracy theories isn't even worthy of the name "thought process".
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On January 07 2021 18:38 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100. what does your list even mean? just a bunch of vague descriptions that dont actually provide insight on what your priorities are. the only thing that is abundantly clear is youre a gun nut and would defend that at all costs. the irony in your last sentence is outstanding I literally spelled out many of my priorities out for you lol. There's nothing unclear about it. Gun rights are paramount for me, yes. What is the irony in my last sentence? It's nothing more than my opinion.
anti tax doesnt mean anything, unless you are literally against any form of taxation in the country which i dont think youre stupid enough to be.
anti business regulations? so youre just happy with businesses having absolutely zero rules? lets not pay company tax, lets not pay workers a dollar etc?
anti open borders? so you dont like people being able to visit america? you dont have a passport or you dont ever wish to visit another country?
the list goes on.
as for the irony, your hard stance view against democrats and your overall set of life values (judging by your recent posts) is what is exactly wrong with your country. the pinnacle of the scourge as you so called it. its just sad that you dont even know it
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On January 07 2021 18:52 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:43 EnDeR_ wrote:On January 07 2021 18:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. LOL Just goes to show that once someone has an insane conspiracy theory in their head, there is literally nothing anyone on Earth can do to ever change their mind. PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP. Jock, I'm no mod, but there's no need to be this uncivil. As Slydie said, I find it really interesting to read zeo's responses from someone who is actually suffering through actual election-rigging and helps us understand the thought process behind a lot of these Trump supporters. There's a very strong link between rancid beliefs like zeo's and the kind of political violence we saw yesterday. Continuing to spread the baseless conspiracy theories on the internet makes continued violence more likely. Demanding evidence is the least people should be doing to remove this kind of cancerous conspiracy theory from the internet.
I agree with you on all your points. I object to the phrasing 'PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP', I know you know how to do better  .
I have followed Teamliquid's US politics megathread in its multiple inceptions for almost 20 years now, and the thing that keeps bringing me back is the fact that the normal vitriol one finds in politics boards is normally not present and I get to read what people who think very differently from me think. I haven't even played Starcraft for more than a decade now, lol.
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On January 07 2021 18:42 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. Edit: in any case the vote should have been invalidated in all states using the dominion voting system and should have been repeated (normal voting, without the machines). Nobody would have contested the results after that At least conspiracy theorists try to present (bad) sources. You just go around saying something happened with no evidence and deflect by making an even bigger conspiracy theory when asked about them. You can do better than that. The same people that have been spouting for four years now that 'Russia hacked their elections', citing sources that contained not even a microbe of evidance are now saying the US election system is 'ths most secure in the World'. No way anything could ever happen, nada, zilch! Here are the same sources that have been trumpeting on about election medeling for four years: Anyway, what I am stating is my opinion and view on the goings on in US politics at the moment. You all have access to the same information I have. I can interpret it one way, you can interpret it in your way. Feel free to look into what I am writting for yourself. I don't see anyone posting sources when they write that there was no election fraud, but Ive looked into it myself. Not very compeling arguments that there was no election fraud, so Ill stick with what is more plausable
You honestly think that thousands and thousands of election workers and judges were so intiminated (by...?) so they wouldn't dare speak the truth about election fraud? Without any real evidence from the accusing party? While there is always room for interpretation of facts, that room is not indefinite. The arguments that there was no election fraud are that almost everyone and every official from both parties and even the institutions who work for the government to look into elections acknowledging that. And that should be more plausible to you than a couple of tweets. If not, I would really recommend overthinking how you judge and interpret things.
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Oh, quickly reading up on the Serbian election, it was boycotted by the opposition. So, you are claiming despite the opposition not showing up to vote, the eventual winners did bring in foreigners to illegally vote. That sounds plausible.
Also, you state that the winner is supported by the evil overlords of the EU and Russia? That also sounds very plausible.
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On January 07 2021 19:02 MWY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100. So you prioritize carrying a gun over having/living in a functional democracy or even just a country where laws and rules mean something? Btw I think american democracy could learn a lot from the german (and allied) Grundgesetz. Have you every been to one of those countries you mentioned?
Also, owning a gun in Germany (and most other european nations) is like no problem at all? Membership in a shooting club for 2 years (you don't even have to attend anything), then you qualify for a license and after a miniscule background check and psych evaluation you get it. I think that's more than reasonable. I could get a gun anytime i want.
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On January 07 2021 19:03 Starlightsun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:43 EnDeR_ wrote:On January 07 2021 18:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. LOL Just goes to show that once someone has an insane conspiracy theory in their head, there is literally nothing anyone on Earth can do to ever change their mind. PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP. Jock, I'm no mod, but there's no need to be this uncivil. As Slydie said, I find it really interesting to read zeo's responses from someone who is actually suffering through actual election-rigging and helps us understand the thought process behind a lot of these Trump supporters. How is projecting his experience with Serbian elections onto American ones "helping you understand the thought process behind Trump supporters"? These American protestors have not even experienced election rigging. Blindly believing conspiracy theories isn't even worthy of the name "thought process".
I certainly agree that these Trump supporters have been swayed by an obvious conspiracy theory pushed by the ridiculously flawed human being that is the 45th president of the US. zeo's point, though, that they feel disenfranchised, that they genuinely believe the election was stolen, and that they feel powerless seems completely bang on to what they're going through.
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