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wtf, i thought it was a dozen. 121 out of 204 in the House. And that was after the capitol was attacked?
You don't solve that by expelling a few people. Way to many for something like that, this goes way to deep.
Biden might have won the election, but America is doomed.
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On January 07 2021 20:34 dbRic1203 wrote:
I ve never touched a gun, let alone shot one. And my father in law is a gun trader (for hunting purposes only).
It is regulated and it is good that way.
Why does it have to be easier to shoot a gun than to drive a car?
You need a liscense for driving, why no liscense for shooting?
The whole gun law situation is pretty messed up if you ask me.
to be fair to BerserkSword I used to scoff at the argument that an armed rebellion could stop the US government from oppressing US civilians if they so choose...until today.
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On January 07 2021 20:28 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 20:08 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 19:50 MWY wrote:On January 07 2021 19:23 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 19:02 MWY wrote:On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100. So you prioritize carrying a gun over having/living in a functional democracy or even just a country where laws and rules mean something? Btw I think american democracy could learn a lot from the german (and allied) Grundgesetz. Have you every been to one of those countries you mentioned? Democrats don't get to play "where laws and rules mean something" They are the generally the bigger violators of the constitution. The fact that they screech all day long about democracy makes me think they haven't even read the constitution (or the declaration or the federalist papers). If democrats actually stood for the Law of the land (the constitution) I would straight up vote for them. But if it's between one constitution violator that wants to drop the hammer on assault weapon owners, and another constitution violator that violates the 2a to a far lesser extent, I would choose the latter 10/10 times if i were forced. I've been to Germany. This is not about democrats, and i live in germany (so I'm obviously not one in the sense of the party). This is about the fundaments of a democracy and if i understood that correctly, your gun is more important to you. Now, maybe just maybe you might want to reflect on that opinion and try to understand that if people start to erode the very fundaments of a democracy that will lead to something which will be much more dangerous to your freedoms and rights (and most likely even to your right to own a gun) than when somebody wants to implement a couple of background checks before being able to own an assault rifle. Oh and what's your experience of germany? Did you really get the impression that people were suffering under a social democracy? Between two constitution violators, Trump vs Harris/Biden - yes gun rights are pretty much at the top of the list compared to any singular issue. And it's not only about gun rights. I listed a bunch of other issues (that are important to me) where Trump > Biden/Harris I actually do not worship unlimited/direct democracy. The most dangerous "something" to my freedoms and rights are expanding government power relative to the individual's power. Enter Democrats and their love of big powerful government, gun grabbing, etc. Maybe I sounded too harsh when talking about places like Germany and Nordic countries. I don't think they are "bad" countries by any means. They are better than where my parents came from. Germany obviously has an extremely high quality of life from both the statistics and what I saw, but not impressive vs the US like people here make it seem. The US is better in my eyes, is all I was saying. You rate the mythical idea that Biden wants to take away your guns, which isn't even true, higher then Trump installing himself as a Dictator in the US and ending democracy? After yesterdays evens where Trumps supporters stormed the capital to stop vote certification and plant bombs you think wanting background checks for gun sales is the bigger crime? It doesn't matter that Trump calls for the jailing of his political opponents and emboldens his followers to commit acts of violence in his name. What matters is that Biden won't let you have an ak47?
Biden's gun policies have massive effects and implications going forward. He is historically heavily anti-personal defense as well. It's not just what he says he's going to do (which is already massive) - it's what he's setting the stage for. Protection of the 2a, unfortunately, is a nonstop struggle in which every inch that is given has massive consequences. NYS is already trying to ban body armor. It's a non-stop assault on the 2a ESPECIALLY when you have democrats involved. It's just L after L for 2a supporters. So yea - if I were forced to choose between Biden and Trump, I'd choose the guy who only banned bump stocks, not the guy who wants ground breaking reforms. Rather be slowly poisoned than die right away, figuratively speaking.
The difference between me and you is that I seem to take the transgressions of Democrats far more seriously than you do. From my perspective, Democrats trample on rights, freedom, liberty, constitution, what have you. Let's not act like Democrats including the executive elects haven't emboldened BLM and Antifa thugs for much of 2020. It's not just one side. Furthermore, much of Democrat rhetoric is straight up opposite to what I believe.
My side will never win. I've accepted libertarianism will never prevail, at least in my lifetime. Tyranny of the left has won the long game, in my eyes. So when someone asks me, if i had to choose between Trump, and Biden, I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country.
I've already been called a fascist multiple times in this topic, when the reality of the matter is that I range from classical liberal to ancap depending on the political compass test. And you people wonder why I place gun rights so high? If I take this topic and pretend there are 80 million of you (basically how many votes biden got), how many are going to label me as as "fasicst' and come after me?
Thank Flash it is the right that has most of the guns and ammunition in this country. The second amendment is the last line of defense. People like m4ini would have me thrown in a mental asylum if they had their way, it seems.
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I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling.
Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago.
If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump.
And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see.
You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist.
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On January 07 2021 19:55 Silvanel wrote:
Any more details on those deaths on Capitol? BBC reports there were four deaths, one was that female protester shot by capitol police, what about the rest?
"Medical emergencies". Could be anything, coldshocks, dehydration, heart attacks, illness, something to do with the chemicals involved...
When it was stated like that, it was probably not direct violence.
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On January 07 2021 21:05 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 20:28 Gorsameth wrote:On January 07 2021 20:08 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 19:50 MWY wrote:On January 07 2021 19:23 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 19:02 MWY wrote:On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100. So you prioritize carrying a gun over having/living in a functional democracy or even just a country where laws and rules mean something? Btw I think american democracy could learn a lot from the german (and allied) Grundgesetz. Have you every been to one of those countries you mentioned? Democrats don't get to play "where laws and rules mean something" They are the generally the bigger violators of the constitution. The fact that they screech all day long about democracy makes me think they haven't even read the constitution (or the declaration or the federalist papers). If democrats actually stood for the Law of the land (the constitution) I would straight up vote for them. But if it's between one constitution violator that wants to drop the hammer on assault weapon owners, and another constitution violator that violates the 2a to a far lesser extent, I would choose the latter 10/10 times if i were forced. I've been to Germany. This is not about democrats, and i live in germany (so I'm obviously not one in the sense of the party). This is about the fundaments of a democracy and if i understood that correctly, your gun is more important to you. Now, maybe just maybe you might want to reflect on that opinion and try to understand that if people start to erode the very fundaments of a democracy that will lead to something which will be much more dangerous to your freedoms and rights (and most likely even to your right to own a gun) than when somebody wants to implement a couple of background checks before being able to own an assault rifle. Oh and what's your experience of germany? Did you really get the impression that people were suffering under a social democracy? Between two constitution violators, Trump vs Harris/Biden - yes gun rights are pretty much at the top of the list compared to any singular issue. And it's not only about gun rights. I listed a bunch of other issues (that are important to me) where Trump > Biden/Harris I actually do not worship unlimited/direct democracy. The most dangerous "something" to my freedoms and rights are expanding government power relative to the individual's power. Enter Democrats and their love of big powerful government, gun grabbing, etc. Maybe I sounded too harsh when talking about places like Germany and Nordic countries. I don't think they are "bad" countries by any means. They are better than where my parents came from. Germany obviously has an extremely high quality of life from both the statistics and what I saw, but not impressive vs the US like people here make it seem. The US is better in my eyes, is all I was saying. You rate the mythical idea that Biden wants to take away your guns, which isn't even true, higher then Trump installing himself as a Dictator in the US and ending democracy? After yesterdays evens where Trumps supporters stormed the capital to stop vote certification and plant bombs you think wanting background checks for gun sales is the bigger crime? It doesn't matter that Trump calls for the jailing of his political opponents and emboldens his followers to commit acts of violence in his name. What matters is that Biden won't let you have an ak47? Biden's gun policies have massive effects and implications going forward. He is historically heavily anti-personal defense as well. It's not just what he says he's going to do (which is already massive) - it's what he's setting the stage for. Protection of the 2a, unfortunately, is a nonstop struggle in which every inch that is given has massive consequences. NYS is already trying to ban body armor. It's a non-stop assault on the 2a ESPECIALLY when you have democrats involved. It's just L after L for 2a supporters. So yea - if I were forced to choose between Biden and Trump, I'd choose the guy who only banned bump stocks, not the guy who wants ground breaking reforms. Rather be slowly poisoned than die right away, figuratively speaking. The difference between me and you is that I seem to take the transgressions of Democrats far more seriously than you do. From my perspective, Democrats trample on rights, freedom, liberty, constitution, what have you. Let's not act like Democrats including the executive elects haven't emboldened BLM and Antifa thugs for much of 2020. It's not just one side. Furthermore, much of Democrat rhetoric is straight up opposite to what I believe. My side will never win. I've accepted libertarianism will never prevail, at least in my lifetime. Tyranny of the left has won the long game, in my eyes. So when someone asks me, if i had to choose between Trump, and Biden, I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. I've already been called a fascist multiple times in this topic, when the reality of the matter is that I range from classical liberal to ancap depending on the political compass test. And you people wonder why I place gun rights so high? If I take this topic and pretend there are 80 million of you (basically how many votes biden got), how many are going to label me as as "fasicst' and come after me? Thank Flash it is the right that has most of the guns and ammunition in this country. The second amendment is the last line of defense. People like m4ini would have me thrown in a mental asylum if they had their way, it seems.
Yikes. You're deluded. I mean, I already knew you were deluded since you're a libertarian but jesus christ
Like I said previously only an idiot would look at the current system and say "hey we need less government interference!". I guess you might enjoy drinking out of a lead pipe and sniffing asbestos, but the rest of us don't.
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On January 07 2021 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling. Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago. If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump. And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see. You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist.
You people don't understand how this works lmao
Anti-tyranny entities arent going to gear up to save the same group of people who mocked and threatened to trample on rights and the constitution for decades. This is like when progressives bitched about libertarians not stepping up in the face of police brutality during the floyd riots. No shit LOL. For years they told us guns arent needed because you can just call the police, and tried to take away our rights. Then they wanted gun stockpiling libertarians to step up to bat for them when the fact of the matter is that when things go back to "normal" they will just continue trampling on gun rights, free market, etc.
You don't understand, that for all intents and purposes, Democrats like Biden and Harris have already torn the constutution up as well. You need to understand that it's not just Trump. You say that Trump is the only tyrant but that's because of your leftist bias.
You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you
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There are plenty of gun owning lefties like myself in the US, so don't let folks pretend that gun ownership is some mystical license to engage in Red Scare anti-government nonsense.
On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling. Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago. If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump. And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see. You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist. You people don't understand how this works lmao Anti-tyranny entities arent going to gear up to save the same group of people who mocked and threatened to trample on rights and the constitution for decades. This is like when progressives bitched about libertarians not stepping up in the face of police brutality during the floyd riots. No shit LOL. For years they told us guns arent needed because you can just call the police, and tried to take away our rights. Then they wanted gun stockpiling libertarians to step up to bat for them when the fact of the matter is that when things go back to "normal" they will just continue trampling on gun rights, free market, etc. You don't understand, that for all intents and purposes, Democrats like Biden and Harris have already torn the constutution up as well. You need to understand that it's not just Trump. You say that Trump is the only tyrant but that's because of your leftist bias. You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you
Drop the meaningless qualifiers like "for all intents and purposes" and explain what you mean by the bold.
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On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling. Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago. If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump. And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see. You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist. You people don't understand how this works lmao Anti-tyranny entities arent going to gear up to save the same group of people who mocked and threatened to trample on rights and the constitution for decades. This is like when progressives bitched about libertarians not stepping up in the face of police brutality during the floyd riots. No shit LOL. For years they told us guns arent needed because you can just call the police, and tried to take away our rights. Then they wanted gun stockpiling libertarians to step up to bat for them when the fact of the matter is that when things go back to "normal" they will just continue trampling on gun rights, free market, etc. You don't understand, that for all intents and purposes, Democrats like Biden and Harris have already torn the constutution up as well. You need to understand that it's not just Trump. You say that Trump is the only tyrant but that's because of your leftist bias. You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you
You're supporting a guy who's trying to overthrow a legitimate election. Is it that hard to understand ? Are you that dense ? Don't drap yourself in patriotism. Keep doing what you're doing and you won't just be a fascist, but a traitor as well.
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On January 07 2021 21:33 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling. Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago. If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump. And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see. You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist. You people don't understand how this works lmao Anti-tyranny entities arent going to gear up to save the same group of people who mocked and threatened to trample on rights and the constitution for decades. This is like when progressives bitched about libertarians not stepping up in the face of police brutality during the floyd riots. No shit LOL. For years they told us guns arent needed because you can just call the police, and tried to take away our rights. Then they wanted gun stockpiling libertarians to step up to bat for them when the fact of the matter is that when things go back to "normal" they will just continue trampling on gun rights, free market, etc. You don't understand, that for all intents and purposes, Democrats like Biden and Harris have already torn the constutution up as well. You need to understand that it's not just Trump. You say that Trump is the only tyrant but that's because of your leftist bias. You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you You're supporting a guy who's trying to overthrow a legitimate election. Is it that hard to understand ? Are you that dense ?
What do you mean by "support"? I don't support leftists like Trump. He is the lesser of the two evils though.
I can say that you are supporting the guy who's trying to take away gun rights and siphoning vast amount of resources to the government, among other things
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As a leftist (like actual leftist, not the US Democrat variety) I feel deeply offended when someone calls Trump a leftist. He might be to the left of the political spectrum from you, but he's not a leftist.
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On January 07 2021 21:36 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 21:33 Erasme wrote:On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling. Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago. If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump. And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see. You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist. You people don't understand how this works lmao Anti-tyranny entities arent going to gear up to save the same group of people who mocked and threatened to trample on rights and the constitution for decades. This is like when progressives bitched about libertarians not stepping up in the face of police brutality during the floyd riots. No shit LOL. For years they told us guns arent needed because you can just call the police, and tried to take away our rights. Then they wanted gun stockpiling libertarians to step up to bat for them when the fact of the matter is that when things go back to "normal" they will just continue trampling on gun rights, free market, etc. You don't understand, that for all intents and purposes, Democrats like Biden and Harris have already torn the constutution up as well. You need to understand that it's not just Trump. You say that Trump is the only tyrant but that's because of your leftist bias. You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you You're supporting a guy who's trying to overthrow a legitimate election. Is it that hard to understand ? Are you that dense ? What do you mean by "support"? I don't support leftists like Trump. He is the lesser of the two evils though. I can say that you are supporting the guy who's trying to take away gun rights and siphoning vast amount of resources to the government, among other things
Ye, and you would be right. Lowering the gun violence in the US and reducing the inequalities seems like a pretty big challenge worth doing. But you'd rather have your friends and family die pointlessly or fall into poverty for getting sick. You're a fascist clown.
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On January 07 2021 21:36 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 21:33 Erasme wrote:On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling. Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago. If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump. And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see. You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist. You people don't understand how this works lmao Anti-tyranny entities arent going to gear up to save the same group of people who mocked and threatened to trample on rights and the constitution for decades. This is like when progressives bitched about libertarians not stepping up in the face of police brutality during the floyd riots. No shit LOL. For years they told us guns arent needed because you can just call the police, and tried to take away our rights. Then they wanted gun stockpiling libertarians to step up to bat for them when the fact of the matter is that when things go back to "normal" they will just continue trampling on gun rights, free market, etc. You don't understand, that for all intents and purposes, Democrats like Biden and Harris have already torn the constutution up as well. You need to understand that it's not just Trump. You say that Trump is the only tyrant but that's because of your leftist bias. You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you You're supporting a guy who's trying to overthrow a legitimate election. Is it that hard to understand ? Are you that dense ? What do you mean by "support"? I don't support leftists like Trump. He is the lesser of the two evils though. I can say that you are supporting the guy who's trying to take away gun rights and siphoning vast amount of resources to the government, among other things
This is a hallmark of red pilled gnostic nonsense, take notes y'all. Insisting that the politician that literally enjoys the support of the most conservative constituencies in the country is in fact a leftist is textbook fashy wordplay. Everything bad is secretly communist, and everything good is covert ancap libertarian Randroidism. These rhetorical strats are not new.
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On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:
You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you
Really dude? Your trying to teach Europeans and even Germans what fascism means.
Just get lost please.
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On January 07 2021 21:43 iXphobos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:
You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you
Really dude? Your trying to teach Europeans and even Germans what fascism means. Just get lost please.
That's why its gnostic trash, BerserkSword believes that his status as a gun owner living in NYC gives him special insight into the true essence of politics such that he uses labels far more correctly than anyone who disagrees with him. It's not really possible to have an actual conversation with someone like that, he's here to put on a show and that's it.
I must add, thank you to the Europeans, especially the Germans, that see fit to speak up when confronted with this stuff. The US needs to take notes out of Germany's book, and soon.
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On January 07 2021 21:40 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 21:36 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:33 Erasme wrote:On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling. Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago. If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump. And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see. You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist. You people don't understand how this works lmao Anti-tyranny entities arent going to gear up to save the same group of people who mocked and threatened to trample on rights and the constitution for decades. This is like when progressives bitched about libertarians not stepping up in the face of police brutality during the floyd riots. No shit LOL. For years they told us guns arent needed because you can just call the police, and tried to take away our rights. Then they wanted gun stockpiling libertarians to step up to bat for them when the fact of the matter is that when things go back to "normal" they will just continue trampling on gun rights, free market, etc. You don't understand, that for all intents and purposes, Democrats like Biden and Harris have already torn the constutution up as well. You need to understand that it's not just Trump. You say that Trump is the only tyrant but that's because of your leftist bias. You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you You're supporting a guy who's trying to overthrow a legitimate election. Is it that hard to understand ? Are you that dense ? What do you mean by "support"? I don't support leftists like Trump. He is the lesser of the two evils though. I can say that you are supporting the guy who's trying to take away gun rights and siphoning vast amount of resources to the government, among other things This is a hallmark of red pilled gnostic nonsense, take notes y'all. Insisting that the politician that literally enjoys the support of the most conservative constituencies in the country is in fact a leftist is textbook fashy wordplay. Everything bad is secretly communist, and everything good is covert ancap libertarian Randroidism. These rhetorical strats are not new.
Trump:
Violated 2a by banning bump stocks and facilitating the major ATF crackdown
Dramatically increased the federal deficit
Was a champion of easy money central banking
Proposed a 500 billion dollar reparations plan
Engaged in economic protectionism and trade wars (further government intervention in the economy)
Dramatically increased the power of the federal government
Deployed federal operators to intervene in state matters at the protest of state officials
i mean the list goes on
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On January 07 2021 21:43 iXphobos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:
You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you
Really dude? Your trying to teach Europeans and even Germans what fascism means. Just get lost please.
is that the best you got?
as if a bunch of non-americans in this topic are not trying to teach Americans what the american constitution means?
LOL
get lost please
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Amending the constitution through legal means is tyranny, trying to overthrow the government is rebellion against oppression. If your understanding of the social contract is only centered around yourself, this happens. If you don't care for democracy in the first place and are just interested in some caveats a democratic system has given you, you vote for someone that threatens democracy but keeps your toy.
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On January 07 2021 21:53 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 21:43 iXphobos wrote:On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:
You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you
Really dude? Your trying to teach Europeans and even Germans what fascism means. Just get lost please. is that the best you got? as if a bunch of non-americans in this topic are not trying to teach Americans what the american constitution means? LOL get lost please
Im fairly certain I respect more the american constitution than you ever will. Or you wouldn't be supporting that loser.
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