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On January 07 2021 22:59 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 22:52 StalkerTL wrote:On January 07 2021 22:44 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:42 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 22:40 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:32 StalkerTL wrote:
Of course this would be the lesson that people learn from Georgia.
Please tell me Democrats have the ability to stop this via Congress. I doubt they will but I want to know who I'm going to be pissed off at when these voter disenfranchisement issues continue to come up in suspiciously convenient states for Republicans. I would guess Dems will pass some kind of renewal of the Voting Rights Act, but its odds of survival at SCOTUS are not great given the Shelby County precedent. So what that means is that were probably likey to continue to see Republicans do exactly what they've been doing then? Christ, this country feels very fucked at the moment Dude, a stupid number of people support overturning the election without evidence whatsoever because it just doesn't feel right. And I'm not talking about Russiagate where there was actual circumstantial evidence provided. These guys literally cannot produce any evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing when asked, enough so the majority of judges have to ask the lawyers representing the Republicans what the hell they're doing at court then if they have no proof. There's no defending this, show the receipts if you have fucking proof or just shut the fuck up and accept the results. Its like 2015 or 2016 where Newt Gingrich said that facts don't matter, only feelings do in response to illegal immigrant crime rates. Or something along those lines. How does a country govern when a significant number of people think like this. There's still snow so climate change isn't occurring; I don't get sick so health care isn't an issue; the schools my kid goes to are good, surely all American schools are just as good so funding and distribution should stay the same; we need to crack down on illegal immigration hard because illegals do the most crimes. There's no hope when a country thinks like this. There can be hope, we just can't let things continue how they've been going. This is a fantastic wake up call that should spur some real change in America, because if a proto fascist insurgency invading the God damned Capitol won't spur change then America is irrevocably fucked
I remain optimistic, particularly because public displays of instability help to cut down on the noise used by power to obfuscate who is responsible for what. There are still plenty of highly consequential things that need to happen, but it's increasingly difficult for all of the silent Trump fans (and there are many) to hide from the ramifications of standing side by side with neo nazis and the dumbest kids we went to high school with.
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On January 07 2021 23:06 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 22:59 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:52 StalkerTL wrote:On January 07 2021 22:44 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:42 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 22:40 Zambrah wrote:Please tell me Democrats have the ability to stop this via Congress. I doubt they will but I want to know who I'm going to be pissed off at when these voter disenfranchisement issues continue to come up in suspiciously convenient states for Republicans. I would guess Dems will pass some kind of renewal of the Voting Rights Act, but its odds of survival at SCOTUS are not great given the Shelby County precedent. So what that means is that were probably likey to continue to see Republicans do exactly what they've been doing then? Christ, this country feels very fucked at the moment Dude, a stupid number of people support overturning the election without evidence whatsoever because it just doesn't feel right. And I'm not talking about Russiagate where there was actual circumstantial evidence provided. These guys literally cannot produce any evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing when asked, enough so the majority of judges have to ask the lawyers representing the Republicans what the hell they're doing at court then if they have no proof. There's no defending this, show the receipts if you have fucking proof or just shut the fuck up and accept the results. Its like 2015 or 2016 where Newt Gingrich said that facts don't matter, only feelings do in response to illegal immigrant crime rates. Or something along those lines. How does a country govern when a significant number of people think like this. There's still snow so climate change isn't occurring; I don't get sick so health care isn't an issue; the schools my kid goes to are good, surely all American schools are just as good so funding and distribution should stay the same; we need to crack down on illegal immigration hard because illegals do the most crimes. There's no hope when a country thinks like this. There can be hope, we just can't let things continue how they've been going. This is a fantastic wake up call that should spur some real change in America, because if a proto fascist insurgency invading the God damned Capitol won't spur change then America is irrevocably fucked I remain optimistic, particularly because public displays of instability help to cut down on the noise used by power to obfuscate who is responsible for what. There are still plenty of highly consequential things that need to happen, but it's increasingly difficult for all of the silent Trump fans (and there are many) to hide from the ramifications of standing side by side with neo nazis and the dumbest kids we went to high school with.
The craziest thing is that they got inside the office of a lot of public officials. Who knows what sensitive data was in there. They could have taken a whole load of really sensitive information to sell or send to foreign nations, and it remains to be seen if they did, but thank god it seems they are truly the dumbest people alive because a lot more shit could have occurred if it were an actually properly organised coup attempt instead of some dumb shits who just wanted to hog tie some politicians and publicly sell Capitol Hill property on eBay.
On January 07 2021 23:10 Doublemint wrote:the more pictures I see the more I feel ashamed and certain that I owe GH an apology. I still think defund the police is a stupid slogan to get things done, but that contrast was to stark yesterday in how they handled the insurrectionists and the BLM people. unfathomable but undeniably true. they found pipe bombs for fuck's sake. those fucks rummaged through people's offices and broke and looted shit. and most of them walked out like nothing happened. and lol at Berserk. made my day. Show nested quote +I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes.
Yeah its the one thing that makes it clear to anyone with a brain that there's a difference in how police treat minorities vs white people. Minorities get the tear gas and rubber bullets the minute they look like they're about to try something, white people get asked by the police for selfies inside Capitol Hill while they're trashing the place and looting sensitive information or lecterns.
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the more pictures I see the more I feel ashamed and certain that I owe GH an apology. I still think defund the police is a stupid slogan to get things done, but that contrast was too stark yesterday in how they handled the insurrectionists and the BLM people. unfathomable but undeniably true.
they found pipe bombs for fuck's sake. those fucks rummaged through people's offices and broke and looted shit. and most of them walked out like nothing happened.
and lol at Berserk. made my day.
I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes.
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On January 07 2021 21:40 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 21:36 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:33 Erasme wrote:On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling. Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago. If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump. And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see. You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist. You people don't understand how this works lmao Anti-tyranny entities arent going to gear up to save the same group of people who mocked and threatened to trample on rights and the constitution for decades. This is like when progressives bitched about libertarians not stepping up in the face of police brutality during the floyd riots. No shit LOL. For years they told us guns arent needed because you can just call the police, and tried to take away our rights. Then they wanted gun stockpiling libertarians to step up to bat for them when the fact of the matter is that when things go back to "normal" they will just continue trampling on gun rights, free market, etc. You don't understand, that for all intents and purposes, Democrats like Biden and Harris have already torn the constutution up as well. You need to understand that it's not just Trump. You say that Trump is the only tyrant but that's because of your leftist bias. You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you You're supporting a guy who's trying to overthrow a legitimate election. Is it that hard to understand ? Are you that dense ? What do you mean by "support"? I don't support leftists like Trump. He is the lesser of the two evils though. I can say that you are supporting the guy who's trying to take away gun rights and siphoning vast amount of resources to the government, among other things This is a hallmark of red pilled gnostic nonsense, take notes y'all. Insisting that the politician that literally enjoys the support of the most conservative constituencies in the country is in fact a leftist is textbook fashy wordplay. Everything bad is secretly communist, and everything good is covert ancap libertarian Randroidism. These rhetorical strats are not new.
His post has nothing to do with social values. He's talking exclusively about economics. Trump is certainly quite to the left of libertarians economically.
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On January 07 2021 23:09 StalkerTL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 23:06 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 22:59 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:52 StalkerTL wrote:On January 07 2021 22:44 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:42 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 22:40 Zambrah wrote:Please tell me Democrats have the ability to stop this via Congress. I doubt they will but I want to know who I'm going to be pissed off at when these voter disenfranchisement issues continue to come up in suspiciously convenient states for Republicans. I would guess Dems will pass some kind of renewal of the Voting Rights Act, but its odds of survival at SCOTUS are not great given the Shelby County precedent. So what that means is that were probably likey to continue to see Republicans do exactly what they've been doing then? Christ, this country feels very fucked at the moment Dude, a stupid number of people support overturning the election without evidence whatsoever because it just doesn't feel right. And I'm not talking about Russiagate where there was actual circumstantial evidence provided. These guys literally cannot produce any evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing when asked, enough so the majority of judges have to ask the lawyers representing the Republicans what the hell they're doing at court then if they have no proof. There's no defending this, show the receipts if you have fucking proof or just shut the fuck up and accept the results. Its like 2015 or 2016 where Newt Gingrich said that facts don't matter, only feelings do in response to illegal immigrant crime rates. Or something along those lines. How does a country govern when a significant number of people think like this. There's still snow so climate change isn't occurring; I don't get sick so health care isn't an issue; the schools my kid goes to are good, surely all American schools are just as good so funding and distribution should stay the same; we need to crack down on illegal immigration hard because illegals do the most crimes. There's no hope when a country thinks like this. There can be hope, we just can't let things continue how they've been going. This is a fantastic wake up call that should spur some real change in America, because if a proto fascist insurgency invading the God damned Capitol won't spur change then America is irrevocably fucked I remain optimistic, particularly because public displays of instability help to cut down on the noise used by power to obfuscate who is responsible for what. There are still plenty of highly consequential things that need to happen, but it's increasingly difficult for all of the silent Trump fans (and there are many) to hide from the ramifications of standing side by side with neo nazis and the dumbest kids we went to high school with. The craziest thing is that they got inside the office of a lot of public officials. Who knows what sensitive data was in there. They could have taken a whole load of really sensitive information to sell or send to foreign nations, and it remains to be seen if they did, but thank god it seems they are truly the dumbest people alive because a lot more shit could have occurred it was an actually properly organised coup attempt instead of some dumb shits who just wanted to hog tie some politicians and publicly sell Capitol Hill property on eBay.
Indeed, I take that to be another reason to be hopeful. This was a golden chance for all of the worst far-right actors to do real damage, and instead, they basically jerked off on our nation's seat of legislative power and ran away the moment police showed any real force. The delay in kicking them out needs to be thoroughly investigated, but this can be chalked up as another example of how incompetent these people are. The damage that could have been done by even one or two trained dissidents making it inside the Capitol cannot be understated, the building could have been leveled.
On January 07 2021 23:13 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 21:40 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 21:36 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:33 Erasme wrote:On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling. Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago. If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump. And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see. You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist. You people don't understand how this works lmao Anti-tyranny entities arent going to gear up to save the same group of people who mocked and threatened to trample on rights and the constitution for decades. This is like when progressives bitched about libertarians not stepping up in the face of police brutality during the floyd riots. No shit LOL. For years they told us guns arent needed because you can just call the police, and tried to take away our rights. Then they wanted gun stockpiling libertarians to step up to bat for them when the fact of the matter is that when things go back to "normal" they will just continue trampling on gun rights, free market, etc. You don't understand, that for all intents and purposes, Democrats like Biden and Harris have already torn the constutution up as well. You need to understand that it's not just Trump. You say that Trump is the only tyrant but that's because of your leftist bias. You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you You're supporting a guy who's trying to overthrow a legitimate election. Is it that hard to understand ? Are you that dense ? What do you mean by "support"? I don't support leftists like Trump. He is the lesser of the two evils though. I can say that you are supporting the guy who's trying to take away gun rights and siphoning vast amount of resources to the government, among other things This is a hallmark of red pilled gnostic nonsense, take notes y'all. Insisting that the politician that literally enjoys the support of the most conservative constituencies in the country is in fact a leftist is textbook fashy wordplay. Everything bad is secretly communist, and everything good is covert ancap libertarian Randroidism. These rhetorical strats are not new. His post has nothing to do with social values. He's talking exclusively about economics. Trump is certainly quite to the left of libertarians economically.
That's not a distinction that makes any sense to me. Economics and social values are inextricably tied, the fact that we deign to separate the two is just more evidence of neoliberalism working its influence on how politics are discussed. And as mentioned by posters like Broetchenholer, what constitutes the political character of an act or idea must incorporate the nature of the support for those acts or ideas. This lies at the heart of the apparent contradiction in concepts like national socialism and why swastika-tattooed skinheads would support someone like Trump.
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On January 07 2021 22:59 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 22:52 StalkerTL wrote:On January 07 2021 22:44 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:42 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 22:40 Zambrah wrote:Please tell me Democrats have the ability to stop this via Congress. I doubt they will but I want to know who I'm going to be pissed off at when these voter disenfranchisement issues continue to come up in suspiciously convenient states for Republicans. I would guess Dems will pass some kind of renewal of the Voting Rights Act, but its odds of survival at SCOTUS are not great given the Shelby County precedent. So what that means is that were probably likey to continue to see Republicans do exactly what they've been doing then? Christ, this country feels very fucked at the moment Dude, a stupid number of people support overturning the election without evidence whatsoever because it just doesn't feel right. And I'm not talking about Russiagate where there was actual circumstantial evidence provided. These guys literally cannot produce any evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing when asked, enough so the majority of judges have to ask the lawyers representing the Republicans what the hell they're doing at court then if they have no proof. There's no defending this, show the receipts if you have fucking proof or just shut the fuck up and accept the results. Its like 2015 or 2016 where Newt Gingrich said that facts don't matter, only feelings do in response to illegal immigrant crime rates. Or something along those lines. How does a country govern when a significant number of people think like this. There's still snow so climate change isn't occurring; I don't get sick so health care isn't an issue; the schools my kid goes to are good, surely all American schools are just as good so funding and distribution should stay the same; we need to crack down on illegal immigration hard because illegals do the most crimes. There's no hope when a country thinks like this. There can be hope, we just can't let things continue how they've been going. This is a fantastic wake up call that should spur some real change in America, because if a proto fascist insurgency invading the God damned Capitol won't spur change then America is irrevocably fucked 145 Republican congressmen openly supported the attack by continuing their support of Trump in trying to overturn the election.
In Georgia they are already moving to suppress the vote even harder because they didn't suppress it enough to win 2 days ago.
This was not a wake up call. This is not going away and it will continue.
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Trump is where the wind (money) blows him, so I find it really tiring to hear people argue where he stands politically.
What he thinks suits his interests...
more so, does it really matter where we think he stands?
don't his actions say enough about him?
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And lo, the prophecy of Call of Duty: Black Ops Zombies "Five" came to pass, and having repaired many windows, the congresspeople upgraded their Wunderwaffes at the Pack-A-Punch and defeated the mindless horde.
But seriously what the actual fuck.
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On January 07 2021 23:06 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 22:59 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:52 StalkerTL wrote:On January 07 2021 22:44 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:42 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 22:40 Zambrah wrote:Please tell me Democrats have the ability to stop this via Congress. I doubt they will but I want to know who I'm going to be pissed off at when these voter disenfranchisement issues continue to come up in suspiciously convenient states for Republicans. I would guess Dems will pass some kind of renewal of the Voting Rights Act, but its odds of survival at SCOTUS are not great given the Shelby County precedent. So what that means is that were probably likey to continue to see Republicans do exactly what they've been doing then? Christ, this country feels very fucked at the moment Dude, a stupid number of people support overturning the election without evidence whatsoever because it just doesn't feel right. And I'm not talking about Russiagate where there was actual circumstantial evidence provided. These guys literally cannot produce any evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing when asked, enough so the majority of judges have to ask the lawyers representing the Republicans what the hell they're doing at court then if they have no proof. There's no defending this, show the receipts if you have fucking proof or just shut the fuck up and accept the results. Its like 2015 or 2016 where Newt Gingrich said that facts don't matter, only feelings do in response to illegal immigrant crime rates. Or something along those lines. How does a country govern when a significant number of people think like this. There's still snow so climate change isn't occurring; I don't get sick so health care isn't an issue; the schools my kid goes to are good, surely all American schools are just as good so funding and distribution should stay the same; we need to crack down on illegal immigration hard because illegals do the most crimes. There's no hope when a country thinks like this. There can be hope, we just can't let things continue how they've been going. This is a fantastic wake up call that should spur some real change in America, because if a proto fascist insurgency invading the God damned Capitol won't spur change then America is irrevocably fucked I remain optimistic, particularly because public displays of instability help to cut down on the noise used by power to obfuscate who is responsible for what. There are still plenty of highly consequential things that need to happen, but it's increasingly difficult for all of the silent Trump fans (and there are many) to hide from the ramifications of standing side by side with neo nazis and the dumbest kids we went to high school with.
But if we know whose responsible and we still do nothing what does it amount to? Does that do anything but embolden the likes of Matt Gaetz to continue to incite sedition into the future?
Danglars admitted after an actual literal coup that Trump was finally too much for him, but what happens when Trump 2.0 comes? We're almost assuredly going to see the exact same arguments made for Neo Trump as we have for Trump and Neo Trump is likely not going to be as much of a blithering idiot.
We need like NEED NEED immediate and serious consequences for this, the GOP Congressional fucks who voted against certifying election results all need to be expelled from Congress, Trump needs to be impeached and removed from office (he HAS to be removed from office, if hes not then impeachment is nothing more than a confirmation that you can do whatever you want and not get more than a finger wagged at you.)
I can't be optimistic until I see serious headway made in holding these seditious clowns accountable for their actions, and anything to do with voting them out is so far off and so far away that it would amount to letting them off the hook entirely. We need immediate action, and it has to come from the government itself.
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On January 07 2021 23:20 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 23:06 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 22:59 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:52 StalkerTL wrote:On January 07 2021 22:44 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:42 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 22:40 Zambrah wrote:Please tell me Democrats have the ability to stop this via Congress. I doubt they will but I want to know who I'm going to be pissed off at when these voter disenfranchisement issues continue to come up in suspiciously convenient states for Republicans. I would guess Dems will pass some kind of renewal of the Voting Rights Act, but its odds of survival at SCOTUS are not great given the Shelby County precedent. So what that means is that were probably likey to continue to see Republicans do exactly what they've been doing then? Christ, this country feels very fucked at the moment Dude, a stupid number of people support overturning the election without evidence whatsoever because it just doesn't feel right. And I'm not talking about Russiagate where there was actual circumstantial evidence provided. These guys literally cannot produce any evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing when asked, enough so the majority of judges have to ask the lawyers representing the Republicans what the hell they're doing at court then if they have no proof. There's no defending this, show the receipts if you have fucking proof or just shut the fuck up and accept the results. Its like 2015 or 2016 where Newt Gingrich said that facts don't matter, only feelings do in response to illegal immigrant crime rates. Or something along those lines. How does a country govern when a significant number of people think like this. There's still snow so climate change isn't occurring; I don't get sick so health care isn't an issue; the schools my kid goes to are good, surely all American schools are just as good so funding and distribution should stay the same; we need to crack down on illegal immigration hard because illegals do the most crimes. There's no hope when a country thinks like this. There can be hope, we just can't let things continue how they've been going. This is a fantastic wake up call that should spur some real change in America, because if a proto fascist insurgency invading the God damned Capitol won't spur change then America is irrevocably fucked I remain optimistic, particularly because public displays of instability help to cut down on the noise used by power to obfuscate who is responsible for what. There are still plenty of highly consequential things that need to happen, but it's increasingly difficult for all of the silent Trump fans (and there are many) to hide from the ramifications of standing side by side with neo nazis and the dumbest kids we went to high school with. But if we know whose responsible and we still do nothing what does it amount to? Does that do anything but embolden the likes of Matt Gaetz to continue to incite sedition into the future? Danglars admitted after an actual literal coup that Trump was finally too much for him, but what happens when Trump 2.0 comes? We're almost assuredly going to see the exact same arguments made for Neo Trump as we have for Trump and Neo Trump is likely not going to be as much of a blithering idiot. We need like NEED NEED immediate and serious consequences for this, the GOP Congressional fucks who voted against certifying election results all need to be expelled from Congress, Trump needs to be impeached and removed from office (he HAS to be removed from office, if hes not then impeachment is nothing more than a confirmation that you can do whatever you want and not get more than a finger wagged at you.) I can't be optimistic until I see serious headway made in holding these seditious clowns accountable for their actions, and anything to do with voting them out is so far off and so far away that it would amount to letting them off the hook entirely. We need immediate action, and it has to come from the government itself.
Consequences that require political will are less certain, but it's worth remembering that the kernal of truth that lies at the heart of "deep state" allegations, that the FBI and CIA jobbers act with relatively few checks, is cause for hope given how much they despise Trumpy incompetence. A lot of Very Serious People were made to look really fucking stupid yesterday, and that won't go unpunished.
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On January 07 2021 23:27 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 23:20 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 23:06 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 22:59 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:52 StalkerTL wrote:On January 07 2021 22:44 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:42 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 22:40 Zambrah wrote:Please tell me Democrats have the ability to stop this via Congress. I doubt they will but I want to know who I'm going to be pissed off at when these voter disenfranchisement issues continue to come up in suspiciously convenient states for Republicans. I would guess Dems will pass some kind of renewal of the Voting Rights Act, but its odds of survival at SCOTUS are not great given the Shelby County precedent. So what that means is that were probably likey to continue to see Republicans do exactly what they've been doing then? Christ, this country feels very fucked at the moment Dude, a stupid number of people support overturning the election without evidence whatsoever because it just doesn't feel right. And I'm not talking about Russiagate where there was actual circumstantial evidence provided. These guys literally cannot produce any evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing when asked, enough so the majority of judges have to ask the lawyers representing the Republicans what the hell they're doing at court then if they have no proof. There's no defending this, show the receipts if you have fucking proof or just shut the fuck up and accept the results. Its like 2015 or 2016 where Newt Gingrich said that facts don't matter, only feelings do in response to illegal immigrant crime rates. Or something along those lines. How does a country govern when a significant number of people think like this. There's still snow so climate change isn't occurring; I don't get sick so health care isn't an issue; the schools my kid goes to are good, surely all American schools are just as good so funding and distribution should stay the same; we need to crack down on illegal immigration hard because illegals do the most crimes. There's no hope when a country thinks like this. There can be hope, we just can't let things continue how they've been going. This is a fantastic wake up call that should spur some real change in America, because if a proto fascist insurgency invading the God damned Capitol won't spur change then America is irrevocably fucked I remain optimistic, particularly because public displays of instability help to cut down on the noise used by power to obfuscate who is responsible for what. There are still plenty of highly consequential things that need to happen, but it's increasingly difficult for all of the silent Trump fans (and there are many) to hide from the ramifications of standing side by side with neo nazis and the dumbest kids we went to high school with. But if we know whose responsible and we still do nothing what does it amount to? Does that do anything but embolden the likes of Matt Gaetz to continue to incite sedition into the future? Danglars admitted after an actual literal coup that Trump was finally too much for him, but what happens when Trump 2.0 comes? We're almost assuredly going to see the exact same arguments made for Neo Trump as we have for Trump and Neo Trump is likely not going to be as much of a blithering idiot. We need like NEED NEED immediate and serious consequences for this, the GOP Congressional fucks who voted against certifying election results all need to be expelled from Congress, Trump needs to be impeached and removed from office (he HAS to be removed from office, if hes not then impeachment is nothing more than a confirmation that you can do whatever you want and not get more than a finger wagged at you.) I can't be optimistic until I see serious headway made in holding these seditious clowns accountable for their actions, and anything to do with voting them out is so far off and so far away that it would amount to letting them off the hook entirely. We need immediate action, and it has to come from the government itself. Consequences that require political will are less certain, but it's worth remembering that the kernal of truth that lies at the heart of "deep state" allegations, that the FBI and CIA jobbers act with relatively few checks, is cause for hope given how much they despise Trumpy incompetence. A lot of Very Serious People were made to look really fucking stupid yesterday, and that won't go unpunished.
I just don't think that any punishment that isnt basically grand and spectacular by American standards is going to have any material impact. Like, Im of the opinion this has to be SHOWY, American people need to see that when America has an insurgency happen in it's Capitol that its capable of cracking down hard. Its not even just about making sure the likes of Matt Gaetz never sees political life ever again, but making sure that Americans know that we DO hold our politicians accountable.
Anything mildly procedural or behind the scenes will always look exactly like doing nothing, we have to be extremely vocal and out in the open about how we're punishing sedition at this moment imo.
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All the senators who voted against certifying the results of the democratic election, all the house representatives who voted against electoral votes, they all need to be publically removed and ejected from office and prosecuted for treason. In 4 years time, they will try again. And again. And one day succeed in overriding democratic will if democratic means cannot defend itself against hostile forces intent on dismantling democracy.
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On January 07 2021 23:53 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
All the senators who voted against certifying the results of the democratic election, all the house representatives who voted against electoral votes, they all need to be publically removed and ejected from office and prosecuted for treason. In 4 years time, they will try again. And again. And one day succeed in overriding democratic will if democratic means cannot defend itself against hostile forces intent on dismantling democracy.
This 10,000%.
If anyone wants to contact their Congressperson I'm happy to get you the means to contact them via phone or email in order to implore them to support Cori Bush's bill to expel seditious House GOP fuckbags. Just PM me.
This is the kind of moment that we cannot just let sit and pass by, because I guarantee the GOP are hoping to just wait it out and let normalcy continue, but "normalcy" in this context is toxic and damaging beyond comprehension and we have to make our government hold them to account for actual treasonous seditious bullshit.
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Yup. Just like Trump didn't feel any punishment from his impeachment because there was no real consequences. There has to be one now.
The GOP should be pushing it too, because they definitly don't have the monopoly on stupid politicians.
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I hate to be that guy, but you do realize the irony of removing senators who voted what many of their constituents believe, that the election was a fraud, in the name of democracy?
Take a breather. Democracy will prevail as long as you don't throw it under a bus while trying to preserve it.
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On January 08 2021 00:08 Neneu wrote:
I hate to be that guy, but you do realize the irony of removing senators who voted what many of their constituents believe, that the election was a fraud, in the name of democracy?
Take a breather. Democracy will prevail as long as you don't throw it under a bus while trying to preserve it.
Voting for treasonous people does not give them license to be treasonous.
This is SO FAR from the moment to be taking a breather.
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On January 08 2021 00:10 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 00:08 Neneu wrote:
I hate to be that guy, but you do realize the irony of removing senators who voted what many of their constituents believe, that the election was a fraud, in the name of democracy?
Take a breather. Democracy will prevail as long as you don't throw it under a bus while trying to preserve it. Voting for treasonous people does not give them license to be treasonous. This is SO FAR from the moment to be taking a breather.
So... it is a democratic voting with certain guidelines on what you are allowed to vote on?
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On January 08 2021 00:12 Neneu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 00:10 Zambrah wrote:On January 08 2021 00:08 Neneu wrote:
I hate to be that guy, but you do realize the irony of removing senators who voted what many of their constituents believe, that the election was a fraud, in the name of democracy?
Take a breather. Democracy will prevail as long as you don't throw it under a bus while trying to preserve it. Voting for treasonous people does not give them license to be treasonous. This is SO FAR from the moment to be taking a breather. So... it is a democratic voting with certain guidelines on what you are allowed to vote on?
Representatives are supposed to use their better judgement, and in some cases, go against the will of the constituents incase that will is harmful.
Otherwise, theres no point in having representatives. You could just post everything to a national/state/local vote
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On January 08 2021 00:12 Neneu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2021 00:10 Zambrah wrote:On January 08 2021 00:08 Neneu wrote:
I hate to be that guy, but you do realize the irony of removing senators who voted what many of their constituents believe, that the election was a fraud, in the name of democracy?
Take a breather. Democracy will prevail as long as you don't throw it under a bus while trying to preserve it. Voting for treasonous people does not give them license to be treasonous. This is SO FAR from the moment to be taking a breather. So... it is a democratic voting with certain guidelines on what you are allowed to vote on?
"He said he would murder people if we voted him in office!"
Person proceeds to murder people.
"We can't remove him from office, the people voted him in so he could murder people!"
This is not a situation where we go, "oh their rampant election fraud conspiracy theories just incited a proto-fascist insurrection at the Capitol of the United States, we should continue to let them peddle election fraud conspiracy theories while in one of the most powerful positions in the US in order to continue to incite proto-fascist action."
Letting these people off the hook for this is dooming America to a real actual fascist future.
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Removing people inciting chaos and violence isnt about democracy. It is about law and order (which republicans supposedly love). Those people have exercisied their rights in order to contest a fair election now majority can held them acountable and exericise its right to expel them. Democracy doesnt mean no consequences, on the contrary.
EDIT: You can expel elected member of parliment for killing someone. Nobody would object that. Inciting sedition and insurection also warrants expulsion.
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