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maybe berserksword is onto something? democracy must indeed collapse because its clearly not working when guys like this have equal voting rights to someone who isnt absolutely deluded. (ignoring the state vs people debate for now)
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On January 07 2021 21:52 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 21:40 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 21:36 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:33 Erasme wrote:On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling. Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago. If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump. And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see. You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist. You people don't understand how this works lmao Anti-tyranny entities arent going to gear up to save the same group of people who mocked and threatened to trample on rights and the constitution for decades. This is like when progressives bitched about libertarians not stepping up in the face of police brutality during the floyd riots. No shit LOL. For years they told us guns arent needed because you can just call the police, and tried to take away our rights. Then they wanted gun stockpiling libertarians to step up to bat for them when the fact of the matter is that when things go back to "normal" they will just continue trampling on gun rights, free market, etc. You don't understand, that for all intents and purposes, Democrats like Biden and Harris have already torn the constutution up as well. You need to understand that it's not just Trump. You say that Trump is the only tyrant but that's because of your leftist bias. You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you You're supporting a guy who's trying to overthrow a legitimate election. Is it that hard to understand ? Are you that dense ? What do you mean by "support"? I don't support leftists like Trump. He is the lesser of the two evils though. I can say that you are supporting the guy who's trying to take away gun rights and siphoning vast amount of resources to the government, among other things This is a hallmark of red pilled gnostic nonsense, take notes y'all. Insisting that the politician that literally enjoys the support of the most conservative constituencies in the country is in fact a leftist is textbook fashy wordplay. Everything bad is secretly communist, and everything good is covert ancap libertarian Randroidism. These rhetorical strats are not new. Trump: Violated 2a by banning bump stocks and facilitating the major ATF crackdown Dramatically increased the federal deficit Was a champion of easy money central banking Proposed a 500 billion dollar reparations plan Engaged in economic protectionism and trade wars (further government intervention in the economy) Dramatically increased the power of the federal government Deployed federal operators to intervene in state matters at the protest of state officials i mean the list goes on
Despite your loaded presentation, none of those things neatly align with any particular political ideology, which is why your insistence that everything be viewed in your preferred lens of ideological identification is gnosticism. What constitutes the left and the right is a fluid, ongoing dynamic that ebbs and flows with time, circumstance, and public support, which is why the Overton Window is such a useful concept.
If you instead insist that notions like liberalism and conservatism are static ideas that can be accessed in a vacuum with boundaries set by your preferred special language, that's gnosticism.
That is all to say that if your theory of what is left and what is right totally ignores stuff like literal neo nazis saying, "that's my president," your theory is either woefully ignorant or intentionally so. Either way, it's performative in the worst sense of the word.
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Well, to be fair, deficit is historically easy to divide. Too bad that BerserkerSword got it wrong. Democrats are way better with reducing the deficit than Republicans.
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Deficit is a hallmark of modern capitalist economies and I've seen it being encouraged by proponents of free market values in my country. It's hardly a leftist concept/agenda.
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Well, if he wanted to be a fascist dictator, Trump did a horrible job.
When Hitler got to power, his personal thug army, the SA, consisted of 10ish thousand nutjobs. Let's say less than 20k.
Proud boys' members upper estimate from Wikipedia (i know not the best source but it was quick) is 6k.
Not that much difference is there? thankfully there is.
2.5 years after coming to power, the SA was hundreds of thousands strong, more than 400,000.
Compared to that, the PBs is a wee boys' club. Maybe they are armed better, but the numbers just aren't there.
The SA was much more of a party organisation and centrally directed. This is not the case with the PBs, as far as I know. If Trump was found out to directly issue orders (e.g. himself or via someone), then that would be different. The appraisal on social media is far from innocent, let's be clear about that one, though it's still a step away from directly giving orders to further his one and secret agenda.
I also don't think Trump has an agenda what to do with the American People, apart from getting as many $ as possible out of their pockets.
Though at times, all the lies, the broken promises, the false promises, the backpedalling and double downing, threatening, telling different audiences different things even though the contradictions are all public domain information, this all feels - not saying that it really is because I couldn't judge - very much like the early days and speeches by Hitler.
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On January 07 2021 22:04 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 21:52 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:40 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 21:36 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:33 Erasme wrote:On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling. Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago. If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump. And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see. You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist. You people don't understand how this works lmao Anti-tyranny entities arent going to gear up to save the same group of people who mocked and threatened to trample on rights and the constitution for decades. This is like when progressives bitched about libertarians not stepping up in the face of police brutality during the floyd riots. No shit LOL. For years they told us guns arent needed because you can just call the police, and tried to take away our rights. Then they wanted gun stockpiling libertarians to step up to bat for them when the fact of the matter is that when things go back to "normal" they will just continue trampling on gun rights, free market, etc. You don't understand, that for all intents and purposes, Democrats like Biden and Harris have already torn the constutution up as well. You need to understand that it's not just Trump. You say that Trump is the only tyrant but that's because of your leftist bias. You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you You're supporting a guy who's trying to overthrow a legitimate election. Is it that hard to understand ? Are you that dense ? What do you mean by "support"? I don't support leftists like Trump. He is the lesser of the two evils though. I can say that you are supporting the guy who's trying to take away gun rights and siphoning vast amount of resources to the government, among other things This is a hallmark of red pilled gnostic nonsense, take notes y'all. Insisting that the politician that literally enjoys the support of the most conservative constituencies in the country is in fact a leftist is textbook fashy wordplay. Everything bad is secretly communist, and everything good is covert ancap libertarian Randroidism. These rhetorical strats are not new. Trump: Violated 2a by banning bump stocks and facilitating the major ATF crackdown Dramatically increased the federal deficit Was a champion of easy money central banking Proposed a 500 billion dollar reparations plan Engaged in economic protectionism and trade wars (further government intervention in the economy) Dramatically increased the power of the federal government Deployed federal operators to intervene in state matters at the protest of state officials i mean the list goes on Despite your loaded presentation, none of those things neatly align with any particular political ideology, which is why your insistence that everything be viewed in your preferred lens of ideological identification is gnosticism. What constitutes the left and the right is a fluid, ongoing dynamic that ebbs and flows with time, circumstance, and public support, which is why the Overton Window is such a useful concept. If you instead insist that notions like liberalism and conservatism are static ideas that can be accessed in a vacuum with boundaries set by your preferred special language, that's gnosticism. That is all to say that if your theory of what is left and what is right totally ignores stuff like literal neo nazis saying, "that's my president," your theory is either woefully ignorant or intentionally so. Either way, it's performative in the worst sense of the word.
It's (arguably) leftist if you're coming from the position of classical liberalism, the Constitution, Austrian school of economics (Hayek, Mises, Rothbard), etc
Happy now?
I dont know why you keep spamming "gnosticism" either. I am not a gnostic in any sense. Philosophically i am absurdist and when it comes to philosophical politics i would say i best align with individual anarchists like Stirner
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They were planning on taking hostages and killing elected officials.
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On January 07 2021 22:15 Artisreal wrote:
Well, if he wanted to be a fascist dictator, Trump did a horrible job.
When Hitler got to power, his personal thug army, the SA, consisted of 10ish thousand nutjobs. Let's say less than 20k.
Proud boys' members upper estimate from Wikipedia (i know not the best source but it was quick) is 6k.
Not that much difference is there? thankfully there is.
2.5 years after coming to power, the SA was hundreds of thousands strong, more than 400,000.
Compared to that, the PBs is a wee boys' club. Maybe they are armed better, but the numbers just aren't there.
The SA was much more of a party organisation and centrally directed. This is not the case with the PBs, as far as I know. If Trump was found out to directly issue orders (e.g. himself or via someone), then that would be different. The appraisal on social media is far from innocent, let's be clear about that one, though it's still a step away from directly giving orders to further his one and secret agenda.
I also don't think Trump has an agenda what to do with the American People, apart from getting as many $ as possible out of their pockets.
Though at times, all the lies, the broken promises, the false promises, the backpedalling and double downing, threatening, telling different audiences different things even though the contradictions are all public domain information, this all feels - not saying that it really is because I couldn't judge - very much like the early days and speeches by Hitler.
Not to mention how Hitler also failed when he first tried to take over in 1923... There are remarkable similarities. Remarkable and frightening.
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On January 07 2021 22:20 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 22:04 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 21:52 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:40 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 21:36 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:33 Erasme wrote:On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling. Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago. If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump. And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see. You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist. You people don't understand how this works lmao Anti-tyranny entities arent going to gear up to save the same group of people who mocked and threatened to trample on rights and the constitution for decades. This is like when progressives bitched about libertarians not stepping up in the face of police brutality during the floyd riots. No shit LOL. For years they told us guns arent needed because you can just call the police, and tried to take away our rights. Then they wanted gun stockpiling libertarians to step up to bat for them when the fact of the matter is that when things go back to "normal" they will just continue trampling on gun rights, free market, etc. You don't understand, that for all intents and purposes, Democrats like Biden and Harris have already torn the constutution up as well. You need to understand that it's not just Trump. You say that Trump is the only tyrant but that's because of your leftist bias. You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you You're supporting a guy who's trying to overthrow a legitimate election. Is it that hard to understand ? Are you that dense ? What do you mean by "support"? I don't support leftists like Trump. He is the lesser of the two evils though. I can say that you are supporting the guy who's trying to take away gun rights and siphoning vast amount of resources to the government, among other things This is a hallmark of red pilled gnostic nonsense, take notes y'all. Insisting that the politician that literally enjoys the support of the most conservative constituencies in the country is in fact a leftist is textbook fashy wordplay. Everything bad is secretly communist, and everything good is covert ancap libertarian Randroidism. These rhetorical strats are not new. Trump: Violated 2a by banning bump stocks and facilitating the major ATF crackdown Dramatically increased the federal deficit Was a champion of easy money central banking Proposed a 500 billion dollar reparations plan Engaged in economic protectionism and trade wars (further government intervention in the economy) Dramatically increased the power of the federal government Deployed federal operators to intervene in state matters at the protest of state officials i mean the list goes on Despite your loaded presentation, none of those things neatly align with any particular political ideology, which is why your insistence that everything be viewed in your preferred lens of ideological identification is gnosticism. What constitutes the left and the right is a fluid, ongoing dynamic that ebbs and flows with time, circumstance, and public support, which is why the Overton Window is such a useful concept. If you instead insist that notions like liberalism and conservatism are static ideas that can be accessed in a vacuum with boundaries set by your preferred special language, that's gnosticism. That is all to say that if your theory of what is left and what is right totally ignores stuff like literal neo nazis saying, "that's my president," your theory is either woefully ignorant or intentionally so. Either way, it's performative in the worst sense of the word. It's (arguably) leftist if you're coming from the position of classical liberalism, the Constitution, Austrian school of economics (Hayek, Mises, Rothbard), etc Happy now? I dont know why you keep spamming "gnosticism" either. I am not a gnostic in any sense. Philosophically i am absurdist and when it comes to philosophical politics i would say i best align with individual anarchists like Stirner
"Classic liberalism," Austrian economics, and Constitutional inerancy are entirely gnostic projects because they claim to offer special insight into the truth of political orientation such that only people who use their language are able to actually say truthful things about political ideas. As a general rule, any approach that says, "this is the only true approach," is gnosticism. This is most easily observed in the context of evangelical Christians and their faux-fundamentalist biblicism, but it applies just as readily to libertarian insistence that only folks like Rothbard and Mises have said true things about politics and economy. Gnosticism is essentially a carte blanche rejection of linguistic relativity.
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Of course this would be the lesson that people learn from Georgia.
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Please tell me Democrats have the ability to stop this via Congress. I doubt they will but I want to know who I'm going to be pissed off at when these voter disenfranchisement issues continue to come up in suspiciously convenient states for Republicans.
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How could this pass under the radar of the US intelligence services? It seems like they have better info from the dark alleys of Kabul than their own capital. Embarrassing, the Biden administration has some serious work to do.
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I also had an idea. How many Trump voters would support installing a "People's Court of Election Fraud" to make sure the responsable "traitors" of this election would get what they deserve after the shameful rigging and manipulation?
I fear far too many...
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On January 07 2021 22:40 Zambrah wrote:Please tell me Democrats have the ability to stop this via Congress. I doubt they will but I want to know who I'm going to be pissed off at when these voter disenfranchisement issues continue to come up in suspiciously convenient states for Republicans.
I would guess Dems will pass some kind of renewal of the Voting Rights Act, but its odds of survival at SCOTUS are not great given the Shelby County precedent.
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On January 07 2021 22:20 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 22:04 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 21:52 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:40 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 21:36 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:33 Erasme wrote:On January 07 2021 21:30 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 21:15 Gorsameth wrote:I am going to choose the one that will be better for the ability to defend against tyranny, and the one that at least pretends, in rhetoric, to care about the constitution. The one whose supporters storm the citadel of the oligarchs for one day, and not the one whose supporters ransack private property and ruin lives for months on end in cities across the country. The level of cognitive dissonance required to type this after yesterday is just mind boggling. Only one side in the US has tried to commit an actual Coup live infront of your eyes, less then 24 hours ago. If you actually seriously believe in the 2nd amendment as a means to defend against a tyrannical government you should be gathering outside the White House right now preparing to storm it, because there is only 1 tyrant looking to overthrow the constitution and his name is Donald Trump. And you are admitting that you prefer a man who wants to tear up the constitution and throw out the result of a democratic election, ofcourse we are going to call you a fascist when you say you agree with the openly fascist candidate. We don't care what an online test says or what you convince yourself your beliefs are, the facts are here for everyone to see. You are expressing support for a fascist that just attempted a coup. Guess what, that makes you a fascist. You people don't understand how this works lmao Anti-tyranny entities arent going to gear up to save the same group of people who mocked and threatened to trample on rights and the constitution for decades. This is like when progressives bitched about libertarians not stepping up in the face of police brutality during the floyd riots. No shit LOL. For years they told us guns arent needed because you can just call the police, and tried to take away our rights. Then they wanted gun stockpiling libertarians to step up to bat for them when the fact of the matter is that when things go back to "normal" they will just continue trampling on gun rights, free market, etc. You don't understand, that for all intents and purposes, Democrats like Biden and Harris have already torn the constutution up as well. You need to understand that it's not just Trump. You say that Trump is the only tyrant but that's because of your leftist bias. You can call me whatever you want, it doesn't change the facts and it doesn't change the fact that you're biased as hell. I wonder if you even know what actual fascism is. I'll give you a hint - it's not somebody who merely disagrees with you You're supporting a guy who's trying to overthrow a legitimate election. Is it that hard to understand ? Are you that dense ? What do you mean by "support"? I don't support leftists like Trump. He is the lesser of the two evils though. I can say that you are supporting the guy who's trying to take away gun rights and siphoning vast amount of resources to the government, among other things This is a hallmark of red pilled gnostic nonsense, take notes y'all. Insisting that the politician that literally enjoys the support of the most conservative constituencies in the country is in fact a leftist is textbook fashy wordplay. Everything bad is secretly communist, and everything good is covert ancap libertarian Randroidism. These rhetorical strats are not new. Trump: Violated 2a by banning bump stocks and facilitating the major ATF crackdown Dramatically increased the federal deficit Was a champion of easy money central banking Proposed a 500 billion dollar reparations plan Engaged in economic protectionism and trade wars (further government intervention in the economy) Dramatically increased the power of the federal government Deployed federal operators to intervene in state matters at the protest of state officials i mean the list goes on Despite your loaded presentation, none of those things neatly align with any particular political ideology, which is why your insistence that everything be viewed in your preferred lens of ideological identification is gnosticism. What constitutes the left and the right is a fluid, ongoing dynamic that ebbs and flows with time, circumstance, and public support, which is why the Overton Window is such a useful concept. If you instead insist that notions like liberalism and conservatism are static ideas that can be accessed in a vacuum with boundaries set by your preferred special language, that's gnosticism. That is all to say that if your theory of what is left and what is right totally ignores stuff like literal neo nazis saying, "that's my president," your theory is either woefully ignorant or intentionally so. Either way, it's performative in the worst sense of the word. It's (arguably) leftist if you're coming from the position of classical liberalism, the Constitution, Austrian school of economics (Hayek, Mises, Rothbard), etc Happy now? I dont know why you keep spamming "gnosticism" either. I am not a gnostic in any sense. Philosophically i am absurdist and when it comes to philosophical politics i would say i best align with individual anarchists like Stirner
It does not matter what you label yourself. If you want, think of yourself as leftwing. But don't think that your own worldview will ever be compatible with others. Maybe you should try to go to a community that shares your values. Not that one exists that is allowed to do that in it's country, a community of one in the Amazonas basin migth be a solution though. If you stay in the States, all you are is a fascist enabler, because the complex and misunderstood anarchist inside is simply reduced to what he actually votes for, and that's apparently racism, oppression of political opponents and failed coups d'etat. Fascism stuff.
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On January 07 2021 22:42 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 22:40 Zambrah wrote:Please tell me Democrats have the ability to stop this via Congress. I doubt they will but I want to know who I'm going to be pissed off at when these voter disenfranchisement issues continue to come up in suspiciously convenient states for Republicans. I would guess Dems will pass some kind of renewal of the Voting Rights Act, but its odds of survival at SCOTUS are not great given the Shelby County precedent.
So what that means is that were probably likey to continue to see Republicans do exactly what they've been doing then? Christ, this country feels very fucked at the moment
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On January 07 2021 22:44 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 22:42 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 22:40 Zambrah wrote:Please tell me Democrats have the ability to stop this via Congress. I doubt they will but I want to know who I'm going to be pissed off at when these voter disenfranchisement issues continue to come up in suspiciously convenient states for Republicans. I would guess Dems will pass some kind of renewal of the Voting Rights Act, but its odds of survival at SCOTUS are not great given the Shelby County precedent. So what that means is that were probably likey to continue to see Republicans do exactly what they've been doing then? Christ, this country feels very fucked at the moment
Dude, a stupid number of people support overturning the election without evidence whatsoever because it just doesn't feel right. And I'm not talking about Russiagate where there was actual circumstantial evidence provided. These guys literally cannot produce any evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing when asked, enough so the majority of judges have to ask the lawyers representing the Republicans what the hell they're doing at court then if they have no proof. There's no defending this, show the receipts if you have fucking proof or just shut the fuck up and accept the results.
Its like 2015 or 2016 where Newt Gingrich said that facts don't matter, only feelings do in response to illegal immigrant crime rates. Or something along those lines. How does a country govern when a significant number of people think like this. There's still snow so climate change isn't occurring; I don't get sick so health care isn't an issue; the schools my kid goes to are good, surely all American schools are just as good so funding and distribution should stay the same; we need to crack down on illegal immigration hard because illegals do the most crimes.
There's no hope when a country thinks like this, we're basically putting Homer in charge of designing a car and merely accepting the shitty and expensive product he produces because it just feels right.
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On January 07 2021 22:52 StalkerTL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 22:44 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:42 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 22:40 Zambrah wrote:Please tell me Democrats have the ability to stop this via Congress. I doubt they will but I want to know who I'm going to be pissed off at when these voter disenfranchisement issues continue to come up in suspiciously convenient states for Republicans. I would guess Dems will pass some kind of renewal of the Voting Rights Act, but its odds of survival at SCOTUS are not great given the Shelby County precedent. So what that means is that were probably likey to continue to see Republicans do exactly what they've been doing then? Christ, this country feels very fucked at the moment Dude, a stupid number of people support overturning the election without evidence whatsoever because it just doesn't feel right. And I'm not talking about Russiagate where there was actual circumstantial evidence provided. These guys literally cannot produce any evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing when asked, enough so the majority of judges have to ask the lawyers representing the Republicans what the hell they're doing at court then if they have no proof. There's no defending this, show the receipts if you have fucking proof or just shut the fuck up and accept the results. Its like 2015 or 2016 where Newt Gingrich said that facts don't matter, only feelings do in response to illegal immigrant crime rates. Or something along those lines. How does a country govern when a significant number of people think like this. There's still snow so climate change isn't occurring; I don't get sick so health care isn't an issue; the schools my kid goes to are good, surely all American schools are just as good so funding and distribution should stay the same; we need to crack down on illegal immigration hard because illegals do the most crimes. There's no hope when a country thinks like this.
There can be hope, we just can't let things continue how they've been going. This is a fantastic wake up call that should spur some real change in America, because if a proto fascist insurgency invading the God damned Capitol won't spur change then America is irrevocably fucked
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A funny tidbit from the "Antifa did it" side of things:
![[image loading]](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688356270394179600/796739842707947530/unknown.png)
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As the saying goes, life imitates art
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On January 07 2021 22:59 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 22:52 StalkerTL wrote:On January 07 2021 22:44 Zambrah wrote:On January 07 2021 22:42 farvacola wrote:On January 07 2021 22:40 Zambrah wrote:Please tell me Democrats have the ability to stop this via Congress. I doubt they will but I want to know who I'm going to be pissed off at when these voter disenfranchisement issues continue to come up in suspiciously convenient states for Republicans. I would guess Dems will pass some kind of renewal of the Voting Rights Act, but its odds of survival at SCOTUS are not great given the Shelby County precedent. So what that means is that were probably likey to continue to see Republicans do exactly what they've been doing then? Christ, this country feels very fucked at the moment Dude, a stupid number of people support overturning the election without evidence whatsoever because it just doesn't feel right. And I'm not talking about Russiagate where there was actual circumstantial evidence provided. These guys literally cannot produce any evidence whatsoever of wrongdoing when asked, enough so the majority of judges have to ask the lawyers representing the Republicans what the hell they're doing at court then if they have no proof. There's no defending this, show the receipts if you have fucking proof or just shut the fuck up and accept the results. Its like 2015 or 2016 where Newt Gingrich said that facts don't matter, only feelings do in response to illegal immigrant crime rates. Or something along those lines. How does a country govern when a significant number of people think like this. There's still snow so climate change isn't occurring; I don't get sick so health care isn't an issue; the schools my kid goes to are good, surely all American schools are just as good so funding and distribution should stay the same; we need to crack down on illegal immigration hard because illegals do the most crimes. There's no hope when a country thinks like this. There can be hope, we just can't let things continue how they've been going. This is a fantastic wake up call that should spur some real change in America, because if a proto fascist insurgency invading the God damned Capitol won't spur change then America is irrevocably fucked
Good news, the Republicans in the House are proving your point right and this event has done little to shake a good number of them who are true believers in God and Jesus and how Donald Trump is vessel of the Holy Spirit. The endgame of Dominion theology.
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