US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2965

On January 07 2021 19:10 EnDeR_ wrote:


I agree with you on all your points. I object to the phrasing 'PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP', I know you know how to do better .

I have followed Teamliquid's US politics megathread in its multiple inceptions for almost 20 years now, and the thing that keeps bringing me back is the fact that the normal vitriol one finds in politics boards is normally not present and I get to read what people who think very differently from me think. I haven't even played Starcraft for more than a decade now, lol.

On January 07 2021 19:02 MWY wrote:


So you prioritize carrying a gun over having/living in a functional democracy or even just a country where laws and rules mean something?

Btw I think american democracy could learn a lot from the german (and allied) Grundgesetz. Have you every been to one of those countries you mentioned?

On January 07 2021 19:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:

anti tax doesnt mean anything, unless you are literally against any form of taxation in the country which i dont think youre stupid enough to be.
anti business regulations? so youre just happy with businesses having absolutely zero rules? lets not pay company tax, lets not pay workers a dollar etc?
anti open borders? so you dont like people being able to visit america? you dont have a passport or you dont ever wish to visit another country?
the list goes on.
as for the irony, your hard stance view against democrats and your overall set of life values (judging by your recent posts) is what is exactly wrong with your country. the pinnacle of the scourge as you so called it. its just sad that you dont even know it

On January 07 2021 19:15 EnDeR_ wrote:


I certainly agree that these Trump supporters have been swayed by an obvious conspiracy theory pushed by the ridiculously flawed human being that is the 45th president of the US. zeo's point, though, that they feel disenfranchised, that they genuinely believe the election was stolen, and that they feel powerless seems completely bang on to what they're going through.

On January 07 2021 19:12 Broetchenholer wrote:
Oh, quickly reading up on the Serbian election, it was boycotted by the opposition. So, you are claiming despite the opposition not showing up to vote, the eventual winners did bring in foreigners to illegally vote. That sounds plausible.
Also, you state that the winner is supported by the evil overlords of the EU and Russia? That also sounds very plausible.

On January 07 2021 19:33 iXphobos wrote:
Shrinking a political system, a government, the meaning of life down to just one question: "Am I allowed to own a fucking machine gun?" is so unbelievable, i don't know what to say anymore.

On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:


I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes.

I am pro 2nd amendment
I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change
I am anti-war
I am anti-imperialism
I am anti-reparations
I am anti-tax
I am anti-open borders
I am anti-business regulation
I am anti-central banking
I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa

No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end.

Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots.

It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights.

By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me.

Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100.

On January 07 2021 19:41 zeo wrote:

Im not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. Apologies if you are not.

I was a controller at the last parlamentary election, that was a disgrace. We counted the votes, i had the results signed by members of the commision and while the bag was on its way to the collection point for all the votes the bag was stuffed, all copies of the results tampered with without my signature verifying the changes. The political parties that had their votes stolen lodged complaints with the electoral commision but the commision is filled to the brim with the ruling parties cronies and various satelite political parties. My copy with less overall votes which were the same amount as the signatures of the people that voted was invalidated because they signed for the people that hadnt voted. There were people, neigbours i knew that were dead on that list. This happened everywhere, the whole country, they were like a beurocratic machine.

The opposition boycotted the vote this time, if everyone that voted in the last election (that was also rigged/inflated) showed up and voted the same the turnout would be at around 30~35%. They threatend openly and made lists of people working in the public sector, making them beg their family members to vote for the party or lose their jobs. You need a list of ten people, all signed with their social security numbers next to their names. Your family has to take a picture next to a filled out ballet with their ID next to it. Massive bussing of people from polling station to polling station, buying out and bribing voters at the polling place itself. And still they never made it to 50%, without anyone controling the process at half the polling stations

About your comment regarding foreigners... The Bulgarian train is an election fraud system where a guy pulls you to the side in front of a polling station. He gives you an already filled out ballot, folded up nice and square. You go into the polling station, sign in/register, recieve your blank ballot and go into a booth. There you fold up the blank ballot, hide it and go place your already filled out ballot into the ballot box after which you leave. Outside, you give the blank ballot to the guy and he gives you 20 euros, that guy then fills out the ballot and gives it to the next person and so on. Blank ballots keep comming out, filled out ones go in. Like a train. Thats why its called a Bulgarian train, after our neighbours who invented this voting tactic.

On January 07 2021 19:29 Neneu wrote:
What's ironic regarding Berserk's pro-gun stance and therefor glad he didn't end up in any of those other countries, is that the Nordic countries absolutely loves guns (and also have a lot of it) due to our long hunting traditions. If anything he should love it, since most of the American produced guns have shitty quality, where here you only get the supreme.

On January 07 2021 19:23 BerserkSword wrote:


Democrats don't get to play "where laws and rules mean something"

They are the generally the bigger violators of the constitution. The fact that they screech all day long about democracy makes me think they haven't even read the constitution (or the declaration or the federalist papers). If democrats actually stood for the Law of the land (the constitution) I would straight up vote for them. But if it's between one constitution violator that wants to drop the hammer on assault weapon owners, and another constitution violator that violates the 2a to a far lesser extent, I would choose the latter 10/10 times if i were forced.

I've been to Germany.

On January 07 2021 19:48 BerserkSword wrote:


I would probably love living in Nordic countries. I wasnt talking shit, just comparing to the US

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the Nordic countries have far stricter gun laws than the US in terms of how easy it is to buy and maintain guns (including "assault weapons"), magazine capacities, features, etc?

Is self-defense a legitimate reason for getting a gun (I'm sure guns in nordic countries are all licensed).

I get hunting tradition, but being able to max out with a low capacity shotgun for hunting is not impressive to me in terms of gun rights.

Quality isnt an issue here except when it comes to Russian guns ( I want an AK-109). It's not like you can only get American guns here, which arent of poor quality to begin with btw. It's not like Americans cant get a Benelli M4 if they want one.

On January 07 2021 19:50 MWY wrote:


This is not about democrats, and i live in germany (so I'm obviously not one in the sense of the party). This is about the fundaments of a democracy and if i understood that correctly, your gun is more important to you. Now, maybe just maybe you might want to reflect on that opinion and try to understand that if people start to erode the very fundaments of a democracy that will lead to something which will be much more dangerous to your freedoms and rights (and most likely even to your right to own a gun) than when somebody wants to implement a couple of background checks before being able to own an assault rifle.

Oh and what's your experience of germany? Did you really get the impression that people were suffering under a social democracy?

Yes your guns are of terrible quality. They break like shit and aim like shit.

On January 07 2021 19:56 Neneu wrote:


You can't be mentally sick and you have to have training, which is offered to you at the age of 14 by the school for free if you want it.

There are several ways to own guns that aren't hunting guns, but then you have to be in a gun club. Which is no problem at all to be a part of, having access to a shooting range for "free" is great. This is also why we tend to do great when it comes to international shooting competitions, punching up for our size.

Yes your guns are of terrible quality. They break like shit and aim like shit.

On January 07 2021 20:17 m4ini wrote:


Nah, that's too general. There are a few guns made in the US that are desirable. The Glock17 is a good hand gun, and a 1911 is just nice.

It's not all rosy with european weapons either, after using a a G36 for a few years, it's nothing to shout home about.

All that doesn't matter at all though, if the only thing politically that matters to you is what kinda guns you can own, and whether or not you can get full auto rifles, you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun. Period.

If someone can buy your vote by increasing the amount of people an amok shooter can murder with a weapon (easy accessible full auto weapons, drum mags etc), you should ask yourself if you're not maybe clinically insane.

On January 07 2021 20:08 BerserkSword wrote:


Between two constitution violators, Trump vs Harris/Biden - yes gun rights are pretty much at the top of the list compared to any singular issue.

And it's not only about gun rights. I listed a bunch of other issues (that are important to me) where Trump > Biden/Harris

I actually do not worship unlimited/direct democracy.

The most dangerous "something" to my freedoms and rights are expanding government power relative to the individual's power. Enter Democrats and their love of big powerful government, gun grabbing, etc.

Maybe I sounded too harsh when talking about places like Germany and Nordic countries. I don't think they are "bad" countries by any means. They are better than where my parents came from. Germany obviously has an extremely high quality of life from both the statistics and what I saw, but not impressive vs the US like people here make it seem. The US is better in my eyes, is all I was saying.