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On January 07 2021 19:10 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:52 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 18:43 EnDeR_ wrote:On January 07 2021 18:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. LOL Just goes to show that once someone has an insane conspiracy theory in their head, there is literally nothing anyone on Earth can do to ever change their mind. PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP. Jock, I'm no mod, but there's no need to be this uncivil. As Slydie said, I find it really interesting to read zeo's responses from someone who is actually suffering through actual election-rigging and helps us understand the thought process behind a lot of these Trump supporters. There's a very strong link between rancid beliefs like zeo's and the kind of political violence we saw yesterday. Continuing to spread the baseless conspiracy theories on the internet makes continued violence more likely. Demanding evidence is the least people should be doing to remove this kind of cancerous conspiracy theory from the internet. I agree with you on all your points. I object to the phrasing 'PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP', I know you know how to do better  . I have followed Teamliquid's US politics megathread in its multiple inceptions for almost 20 years now, and the thing that keeps bringing me back is the fact that the normal vitriol one finds in politics boards is normally not present and I get to read what people who think very differently from me think. I haven't even played Starcraft for more than a decade now, lol.
Fair enough.
Maybe my tone was too aggressive. I think that's debateable in itself though. Zeo has been asked more than once to provide some piece of evidence and defiantly refuses, its frustrating.
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On January 07 2021 19:02 MWY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100. So you prioritize carrying a gun over having/living in a functional democracy or even just a country where laws and rules mean something? Btw I think american democracy could learn a lot from the german (and allied) Grundgesetz. Have you every been to one of those countries you mentioned?
Democrats don't get to play "where laws and rules mean something"
They are the generally the bigger violators of the constitution. The fact that they screech all day long about democracy makes me think they haven't even read the constitution (or the declaration or the federalist papers). If democrats actually stood for the Law of the land (the constitution) I would straight up vote for them. But if it's between one constitution violator that wants to drop the hammer on assault weapon owners, and another constitution violator that violates the 2a to a far lesser extent, I would choose the latter 10/10 times if i were forced.
I've been to Germany.
On January 07 2021 19:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:38 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 18:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100. what does your list even mean? just a bunch of vague descriptions that dont actually provide insight on what your priorities are. the only thing that is abundantly clear is youre a gun nut and would defend that at all costs. the irony in your last sentence is outstanding I literally spelled out many of my priorities out for you lol. There's nothing unclear about it. Gun rights are paramount for me, yes. What is the irony in my last sentence? It's nothing more than my opinion. anti tax doesnt mean anything, unless you are literally against any form of taxation in the country which i dont think youre stupid enough to be. anti business regulations? so youre just happy with businesses having absolutely zero rules? lets not pay company tax, lets not pay workers a dollar etc? anti open borders? so you dont like people being able to visit america? you dont have a passport or you dont ever wish to visit another country? the list goes on. as for the irony, your hard stance view against democrats and your overall set of life values (judging by your recent posts) is what is exactly wrong with your country. the pinnacle of the scourge as you so called it. its just sad that you dont even know it
I'm a minarchist libertarian, borderline anarchocapitalist. So maybe I am just that stupid based
As for my "irony" - I think you should learn what the word means lol
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What's ironic regarding Berserk's pro-gun stance and therefor glad he didn't end up in any of those other countries, is that the Nordic countries absolutely loves guns (and also have a lot of it) due to our long hunting traditions. If anything he should love it, since most of the American produced guns have shitty quality, where here you only get the supreme.
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I went to bed thinking Republicans would not contest any results and pretend they never opposed it in the first place.
Guess I was still thinking to highly of them.
Expel them, these insurrectionists have no place in a democracy.
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On January 07 2021 19:15 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 19:03 Starlightsun wrote:On January 07 2021 18:43 EnDeR_ wrote:On January 07 2021 18:22 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. LOL Just goes to show that once someone has an insane conspiracy theory in their head, there is literally nothing anyone on Earth can do to ever change their mind. PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP. Jock, I'm no mod, but there's no need to be this uncivil. As Slydie said, I find it really interesting to read zeo's responses from someone who is actually suffering through actual election-rigging and helps us understand the thought process behind a lot of these Trump supporters. How is projecting his experience with Serbian elections onto American ones "helping you understand the thought process behind Trump supporters"? These American protestors have not even experienced election rigging. Blindly believing conspiracy theories isn't even worthy of the name "thought process". I certainly agree that these Trump supporters have been swayed by an obvious conspiracy theory pushed by the ridiculously flawed human being that is the 45th president of the US. zeo's point, though, that they feel disenfranchised, that they genuinely believe the election was stolen, and that they feel powerless seems completely bang on to what they're going through.
I would share your view if he weren't making the further assertion that their feelings are justified by fact. It's one thing to empathize with their perception but quite another to assert the election fraud is real. We have experienced today some of the consequences these conspiracy theories can have and it's frightening to think what more may come.
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Shrinking a political system, a government, the meaning of life down to just one question: "Am I allowed to own a fucking machine gun?" is so unbelievable, i don't know what to say anymore.
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On January 07 2021 19:12 Broetchenholer wrote:
Oh, quickly reading up on the Serbian election, it was boycotted by the opposition. So, you are claiming despite the opposition not showing up to vote, the eventual winners did bring in foreigners to illegally vote. That sounds plausible.
Also, you state that the winner is supported by the evil overlords of the EU and Russia? That also sounds very plausible.
Im not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. Apologies if you are not.
I was a controller at the last parliamentary election before this one, that was a disgrace. We counted the votes, i had the results signed by members of the commission that counted the votes. While the bag was on its way to the collection point for all the votes in the area the bag was stuffed, all copies of the results tampered with without my signature verifying the changes. The political parties that had their votes stolen lodged complaints with the electoral commission but the commission is filled to the brim with the ruling parties cronies and members of various satellite political parties. My copy with less overall votes, which were the same amount as the signatures of the people that voted was invalidated because they signed for all the people that hadn't voted. There were people, neighbors i knew that were dead on that list. This happened everywhere, the whole country, they were like a bureaucratic machine.
The opposition boycotted the vote this time, if everyone that voted in the last election (that was also rigged/inflated) showed up and voted the same the turnout would be at around 30~35%. They threatened openly and made lists of people working in the public sector, making them beg their family members to vote for the party or lose their jobs. You need a list of ten people, all signed with their social security numbers next to their names. Your family has to take a picture next to a filled out ballet with their ID next to it. Massive bussing of people from polling station to polling station, buying out and bribing voters at the polling place itself. And still they never made it to 50%, without anyone controlling the process at half the polling stations. This is the guy that bends over both for Russia and the US, so not one fucking word about it from western media. Or if there were words they were very 'concerned' but did nothing about it.
About your comment regarding foreigners... The Bulgarian train is an election fraud system where a guy pulls you to the side in front of a polling station. He gives you an already filled out ballot, folded up nice and square. You go into the polling station, sign in/register, receive your blank ballot and go into a booth. There you fold up the blank ballot, hide it and go place your already filled out ballot into the ballot box after which you leave. Outside, you give the blank ballot to the guy and he gives you 20 euros, that guy then fills out the ballot and gives it to the next person and so on. Blank ballots keep coming out, filled out ones go in. Like a train. That's why its called a Bulgarian train, after our neighbors who invented this voting tactic.
edit: spelling ect.
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On January 07 2021 19:33 iXphobos wrote:
Shrinking a political system, a government, the meaning of life down to just one question: "Am I allowed to own a fucking machine gun?" is so unbelievable, i don't know what to say anymore.
Uhoh, you said machine gun. Don't you know that amchine guns are already prohibited in the US. How dare you bring your ignorance to this forum.
On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100.
So, now that we got this out of the way, if you put your political ideals before the democratric proces, you are anti-democratic.
If your are against equal rights of persons of colour, you are racist.
Now what was the party in germany that was openly racist, anti democratic, anti-imperialist and anti-capitalism?
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On January 07 2021 19:41 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 19:12 Broetchenholer wrote:
Oh, quickly reading up on the Serbian election, it was boycotted by the opposition. So, you are claiming despite the opposition not showing up to vote, the eventual winners did bring in foreigners to illegally vote. That sounds plausible.
Also, you state that the winner is supported by the evil overlords of the EU and Russia? That also sounds very plausible.
Im not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. Apologies if you are not. I was a controller at the last parlamentary election, that was a disgrace. We counted the votes, i had the results signed by members of the commision and while the bag was on its way to the collection point for all the votes the bag was stuffed, all copies of the results tampered with without my signature verifying the changes. The political parties that had their votes stolen lodged complaints with the electoral commision but the commision is filled to the brim with the ruling parties cronies and various satelite political parties. My copy with less overall votes which were the same amount as the signatures of the people that voted was invalidated because they signed for the people that hadnt voted. There were people, neigbours i knew that were dead on that list. This happened everywhere, the whole country, they were like a beurocratic machine. The opposition boycotted the vote this time, if everyone that voted in the last election (that was also rigged/inflated) showed up and voted the same the turnout would be at around 30~35%. They threatend openly and made lists of people working in the public sector, making them beg their family members to vote for the party or lose their jobs. You need a list of ten people, all signed with their social security numbers next to their names. Your family has to take a picture next to a filled out ballet with their ID next to it. Massive bussing of people from polling station to polling station, buying out and bribing voters at the polling place itself. And still they never made it to 50%, without anyone controling the process at half the polling stations About your comment regarding foreigners... The Bulgarian train is an election fraud system where a guy pulls you to the side in front of a polling station. He gives you an already filled out ballot, folded up nice and square. You go into the polling station, sign in/register, recieve your blank ballot and go into a booth. There you fold up the blank ballot, hide it and go place your already filled out ballot into the ballot box after which you leave. Outside, you give the blank ballot to the guy and he gives you 20 euros, that guy then fills out the ballot and gives it to the next person and so on. Blank ballots keep comming out, filled out ones go in. Like a train. Thats why its called a Bulgarian train, after our neighbours who invented this voting tactic.
You've pointed out some shitty things happening in eastern Europe. Any evidence of any of that happening in the US? The Trump team could find none. They went to court multiple times, and one of the first questions each time was, "where is the evidence?" They had none and the cases were thrown out.
They had months to do this investigation (with the party in power wanting it done) and they found nothing. That's very different from your Serbian experience.
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On January 07 2021 19:29 Neneu wrote:
What's ironic regarding Berserk's pro-gun stance and therefor glad he didn't end up in any of those other countries, is that the Nordic countries absolutely loves guns (and also have a lot of it) due to our long hunting traditions. If anything he should love it, since most of the American produced guns have shitty quality, where here you only get the supreme.
I would probably love living in Nordic countries. I wasnt talking shit, just comparing to the US
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the Nordic countries have far stricter gun laws than the US in terms of how easy it is to buy and maintain guns (including "assault weapons"), magazine capacities, features, etc?
Is self-defense a legitimate reason for getting a gun (I'm sure guns in nordic countries are all licensed).
I get hunting tradition, but being able to max out with a low capacity shotgun for hunting is not impressive to me in terms of gun rights (assuming that's the case in nordic countries)
Quality isnt an issue here except when it comes to Russian guns ( I want an AK-109). It's not like you can only get American guns here, which arent of poor quality to begin with btw. It's not like Americans cant get a Benelli M4 if they want one.
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Don't forget also very anti-Marxist. After all that's what he won the election on. Big focus on those bad communists. Oh and anti-reparations, anti-league of nations (these days' UN).
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On January 07 2021 19:23 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 19:02 MWY wrote:On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100. So you prioritize carrying a gun over having/living in a functional democracy or even just a country where laws and rules mean something? Btw I think american democracy could learn a lot from the german (and allied) Grundgesetz. Have you every been to one of those countries you mentioned? Democrats don't get to play "where laws and rules mean something" They are the generally the bigger violators of the constitution. The fact that they screech all day long about democracy makes me think they haven't even read the constitution (or the declaration or the federalist papers). If democrats actually stood for the Law of the land (the constitution) I would straight up vote for them. But if it's between one constitution violator that wants to drop the hammer on assault weapon owners, and another constitution violator that violates the 2a to a far lesser extent, I would choose the latter 10/10 times if i were forced. I've been to Germany.
This is not about democrats, and i live in germany (so I'm obviously not one in the sense of the party). This is about the fundaments of a democracy and if i understood that correctly, your gun is more important to you. Now, maybe just maybe you might want to reflect on that opinion and try to understand that if people start to erode the very fundaments of a democracy that will lead to something which will be much more dangerous to your freedoms and rights (and most likely even to your right to own a gun) than when somebody wants to implement a couple of background checks before being able to own an assault rifle.
Oh and what's your experience of germany? Did you really get the impression that people were suffering under a social democracy?
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Any more details on those deaths on Capitol? BBC reports there were four deaths, one was that female protester shot by capitol police, what about the rest?
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On January 07 2021 19:48 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 19:29 Neneu wrote:
What's ironic regarding Berserk's pro-gun stance and therefor glad he didn't end up in any of those other countries, is that the Nordic countries absolutely loves guns (and also have a lot of it) due to our long hunting traditions. If anything he should love it, since most of the American produced guns have shitty quality, where here you only get the supreme. I would probably love living in Nordic countries. I wasnt talking shit, just comparing to the US Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the Nordic countries have far stricter gun laws than the US in terms of how easy it is to buy and maintain guns (including "assault weapons"), magazine capacities, features, etc? Is self-defense a legitimate reason for getting a gun (I'm sure guns in nordic countries are all licensed). I get hunting tradition, but being able to max out with a low capacity shotgun for hunting is not impressive to me in terms of gun rights. Quality isnt an issue here except when it comes to Russian guns ( I want an AK-109). It's not like you can only get American guns here, which arent of poor quality to begin with btw. It's not like Americans cant get a Benelli M4 if they want one.
You can't be mentally sick and you have to have training, which is offered to you at the age of 14 by the school for free if you want it.
There are several ways to own guns that aren't hunting guns, but then you have to be in a gun club. Which is no problem at all to be a part of, having access to a shooting range for "free" is great. This is also why we tend to do great when it comes to international shooting competitions, punching up for our size.
Yes your guns are of terrible quality. They break like shit and aim like shit.
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On January 07 2021 19:50 MWY wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 19:23 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 19:02 MWY wrote:On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100. So you prioritize carrying a gun over having/living in a functional democracy or even just a country where laws and rules mean something? Btw I think american democracy could learn a lot from the german (and allied) Grundgesetz. Have you every been to one of those countries you mentioned? Democrats don't get to play "where laws and rules mean something" They are the generally the bigger violators of the constitution. The fact that they screech all day long about democracy makes me think they haven't even read the constitution (or the declaration or the federalist papers). If democrats actually stood for the Law of the land (the constitution) I would straight up vote for them. But if it's between one constitution violator that wants to drop the hammer on assault weapon owners, and another constitution violator that violates the 2a to a far lesser extent, I would choose the latter 10/10 times if i were forced. I've been to Germany. This is not about democrats, and i live in germany (so I'm obviously not one in the sense of the party). This is about the fundaments of a democracy and if i understood that correctly, your gun is more important to you. Now, maybe just maybe you might want to reflect on that opinion and try to understand that if people start to erode the very fundaments of a democracy that will lead to something which will be much more dangerous to your freedoms and rights (and most likely even to your right to own a gun) than when somebody wants to implement a couple of background checks before being able to own an assault rifle. Oh and what's your experience of germany? Did you really get the impression that people were suffering under a social democracy?
Between two constitution violators, Trump vs Harris/Biden - yes gun rights are pretty much at the top of the list compared to any singular issue.
And it's not only about gun rights. I listed a bunch of other issues (that are important to me) where Trump > Biden/Harris
I actually do not worship unlimited/direct democracy.
The most dangerous "something" to my freedoms and rights are expanding government power relative to the individual's power. Enter Democrats and their love of big powerful government, gun grabbing, etc.
Maybe I sounded too harsh when talking about places like Germany and Nordic countries. I don't think they are "bad" countries by any means. They are better than where my parents came from. Germany obviously has an extremely high quality of life from both the statistics and what I saw, but not impressive vs the US like people here make it seem. The US is better in my eyes, is all I was saying.
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Yes your guns are of terrible quality. They break like shit and aim like shit.
Nah, that's too general. There are a few guns made in the US that are desirable. The Glock17 is a good hand gun, and a 1911 is just nice.
It's not all rosy with european weapons either, after using a a G36 for a few years, it's nothing to shout home about.
All that doesn't matter at all though, if the only thing politically that matters to you is what kinda guns you can own, and whether or not you can get full auto rifles, you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun. Period.
If someone can buy your vote by increasing the amount of people an amok shooter can murder with a weapon (easy accessible full auto weapons, drum mags etc), you should ask yourself if you're not maybe clinically insane.
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On January 07 2021 19:56 Neneu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 19:48 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 19:29 Neneu wrote:
What's ironic regarding Berserk's pro-gun stance and therefor glad he didn't end up in any of those other countries, is that the Nordic countries absolutely loves guns (and also have a lot of it) due to our long hunting traditions. If anything he should love it, since most of the American produced guns have shitty quality, where here you only get the supreme. I would probably love living in Nordic countries. I wasnt talking shit, just comparing to the US Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the Nordic countries have far stricter gun laws than the US in terms of how easy it is to buy and maintain guns (including "assault weapons"), magazine capacities, features, etc? Is self-defense a legitimate reason for getting a gun (I'm sure guns in nordic countries are all licensed). I get hunting tradition, but being able to max out with a low capacity shotgun for hunting is not impressive to me in terms of gun rights. Quality isnt an issue here except when it comes to Russian guns ( I want an AK-109). It's not like you can only get American guns here, which arent of poor quality to begin with btw. It's not like Americans cant get a Benelli M4 if they want one. You can't be mentally sick and you have to have training, which is offered to you at the age of 14 by the school for free if you want it. There are several ways to own guns that aren't hunting guns, but then you have to be in a gun club. Which is no problem at all to be a part of, having access to a shooting range for "free" is great. This is also why we tend to do great when it comes to international shooting competitions, punching up for our size. Yes your guns are of terrible quality. They break like shit and aim like shit.
Well that sounds better than I thought. I had no idea "assault weapons" were legal in Norway, even though it seems you guys are coming under the threat of "common sense" gun laws.
As for american guns being bad.....it's a pretty big generalizaiton unless you have experience with the plethora of american guns lol
On January 07 2021 20:17 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +Yes your guns are of terrible quality. They break like shit and aim like shit.
Nah, that's too general. There are a few guns made in the US that are desirable. The Glock17 is a good hand gun, and a 1911 is just nice. It's not all rosy with european weapons either, after using a a G36 for a few years, it's nothing to shout home about. All that doesn't matter at all though, if the only thing politically that matters to you is what kinda guns you can own, and whether or not you can get full auto rifles, you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun. Period. If someone can buy your vote by increasing the amount of people an amok shooter can murder with a weapon (easy accessible full auto weapons, drum mags etc), you should ask yourself if you're not maybe clinically insane.
Glocks are Austrian
and people like you are the perfect argument against limiting gun rights rofl
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On January 07 2021 20:08 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 19:50 MWY wrote:On January 07 2021 19:23 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 19:02 MWY wrote:On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100. So you prioritize carrying a gun over having/living in a functional democracy or even just a country where laws and rules mean something? Btw I think american democracy could learn a lot from the german (and allied) Grundgesetz. Have you every been to one of those countries you mentioned? Democrats don't get to play "where laws and rules mean something" They are the generally the bigger violators of the constitution. The fact that they screech all day long about democracy makes me think they haven't even read the constitution (or the declaration or the federalist papers). If democrats actually stood for the Law of the land (the constitution) I would straight up vote for them. But if it's between one constitution violator that wants to drop the hammer on assault weapon owners, and another constitution violator that violates the 2a to a far lesser extent, I would choose the latter 10/10 times if i were forced. I've been to Germany. This is not about democrats, and i live in germany (so I'm obviously not one in the sense of the party). This is about the fundaments of a democracy and if i understood that correctly, your gun is more important to you. Now, maybe just maybe you might want to reflect on that opinion and try to understand that if people start to erode the very fundaments of a democracy that will lead to something which will be much more dangerous to your freedoms and rights (and most likely even to your right to own a gun) than when somebody wants to implement a couple of background checks before being able to own an assault rifle. Oh and what's your experience of germany? Did you really get the impression that people were suffering under a social democracy? Between two constitution violators, Trump vs Harris/Biden - yes gun rights are pretty much at the top of the list compared to any singular issue. And it's not only about gun rights. I listed a bunch of other issues (that are important to me) where Trump > Biden/Harris I actually do not worship unlimited/direct democracy. The most dangerous "something" to my freedoms and rights are expanding government power relative to the individual's power. Enter Democrats and their love of big powerful government, gun grabbing, etc. Maybe I sounded too harsh when talking about places like Germany and Nordic countries. I don't think they are "bad" countries by any means. They are better than where my parents came from. Germany obviously has an extremely high quality of life from both the statistics and what I saw, but not impressive vs the US like people here make it seem. The US is better in my eyes, is all I was saying. You rate the mythical idea that Biden wants to take away your guns, which isn't even true, higher then Trump installing himself as a Dictator in the US and ending democracy?
After yesterdays evens where Trumps supporters stormed the capital to stop vote certification and plant bombs you think wanting background checks for gun sales is the bigger crime?
It doesn't matter that Trump calls for the jailing of his political opponents and emboldens his followers to commit acts of violence in his name. What matters is that Biden won't let you have an ak47?
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I ve never touched a gun, let alone shot one. And my father in law is a gun trader (for hunting purposes only).
It is regulated and it is good that way.
Why does it have to be easier to shoot a gun than to drive a car?
You need a liscense for driving, why no liscense for shooting?
The whole gun law situation is pretty messed up if you ask me.
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It's a handy list of 121 Republican House members who voted to reject the vote in Arizona, there were more voting to reject the vote in Pennsylvania I believe (138 from what I understand)
https://twitter.com/mikedebonis/status/1347045873163898887?s=09
So we have more than half of the Republicans in the House continuing with this conspiracy theory erosion of democracy shit, looks like a handy list of who to expel from congress.
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