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United Kingdom10026 Posts
On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone.
Biden isn't my guy.
I don't even trust the democrats to run a fair election.
However, I do have respect for the US constitution and the protections it has. The court system over there has clearly shown that there is absolutely ZERO evidence of these claims, and that they are just the claims of a madman, nothing more.
If you want to allege serious election fraud, you have to be able to provide some evidence of those claims.
If you want to allege serious voter fraud on teh same day as terrorists use it as an excuse to attack the capitol, you are being very foolish to say the least.
If you are a senator and you want to allege serious voter fraud on the same day as terrorists use it as an excuse to attack the capitol, and bomb the DNC and RNC, then backing terrorism is your official policy as a politician.
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On January 07 2021 18:04 StasisField wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 17:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
By the way, is Danglar still saying that it's all "political theatre" and that it doesn't matter? I don't remember his other positions from today, but he did say that Biden is retrospectively better than Trump and that Trump should be impeached.
Oh. So there was a breaking point.
That took a while though 🤣
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On January 07 2021 17:38 Anc13nt wrote:
zeo, it's all well and good to dispute election results even if they are legitimate. But you cannot invade the US capitol building to do so. I can protest about COVID restrictions if I were a dumbass but I can't go to your home and give you COVID while "xrcizing mUh Fr3EEe 5p33c4." That is more akin to terrorism.
The govenment of my country employed football hooligans to cause riots, attack police and stir people up. They had camera crews follow them and document the 'violent protests wanting to coup our democracy'.
Entering the Capitol was stupid, no doubt. But all you need are a few useful idiots to cause trouble and stir up the mob and a lot of them got caught up in the moment. I'm not suprised that there were people previously at BLM protests there, both sides have agitators. Now, were these people right wing fifth columnists at those those violent BLM prostest and they are where they belong now? Or are they left wing agitators? We will honestly never know, or by the time we find out no one will care.
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As a side note, saying that the political theatre doesn't matter is a very strange position to have when basically all of modern western politics is just political theatre.
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Norway28929 Posts
On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone.
You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right?
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On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden.
you make this statement AFTER seeing the fucking farce that was his 4 year presidency and the cherry on top that was the capitol protests? holy fucking shit
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On January 07 2021 18:13 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. you make this statement AFTER seeing the fucking farce that was his 4 year presidency and the cherry on top that was the capitol protests? holy fucking shit
left bad I guess
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United Kingdom10026 Posts
On January 07 2021 18:16 PoulsenB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:13 evilfatsh1t wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. you make this statement AFTER seeing the fucking farce that was his 4 year presidency and the cherry on top that was the capitol protests? holy fucking shit left bad I guess
Left isn't even part of the equation.
Its center right vs far right. Not being far right enough is what beserksword doesn't like about Biden.
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The stupidest part about these election fraud claims is that the strongest evidence we have of fraud tells against the Republicans: gerrymandering, mass voter purges, Trump's blatant attempt to sabotage mail in voting. They lost despite their attempts at cheating and now we have to recount and audit infinity times until we reach the desired result? Fuck off already.
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On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night.
I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes.
I am pro 2nd amendment
I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change
I am anti-war
I am anti-imperialism
I am anti-reparations
I am anti-tax
I am anti-open borders
I am anti-business regulation
I am anti-central banking
I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa
No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end.
Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots.
It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights.
By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me.
Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100.
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On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right?
Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately.
Edit: in any case the vote should have been invalidated in all states using the dominion voting system and should have been repeated (normal voting, without the machines). Nobody would have contested the results after that
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United States44450 Posts
On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100.
You certainly are anti anti fascist.
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United Kingdom10026 Posts
On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately.
LOL
Just goes to show that once someone has an insane conspiracy theory in their head, there is literally nothing anyone on Earth can do to ever change their mind.
PROVIDE EVIDENCE OR SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately.
Because you say so? Where are you getting this information from?
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Canada11607 Posts
On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right?
There's not a lot of bright spots of late. But I think this is one. Whatever you think of conservative judges, it's clear the US got conservative judges appointed, not Trump judges. Also, as passive and behind the scenes Pence has been the entire time, at least it turns out there was some constitutionalism (is that a word?) left in him when it came to the counting. We could've found a Trump yes man at a very inopportune moment (Giuliani?) which would've been quite bad. And given the turn over in Trump's administration, it's not so easy to survive. But he did survive and so it wasn't.
Is this all damning with faint praise? Yeah, I guess. But I find this all very depressing, so I'm grasping for wins here.
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On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100.
I actually had to throw up after reading this.
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On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. Edit: in any case the vote should have been invalidated in all states using the dominion voting system and should have been repeated (normal voting, without the machines). Nobody would have contested the results after that
At least conspiracy theorists try to present (bad) sources. You just go around saying something happened with no evidence and deflect by making an even bigger conspiracy theory when asked about them.
You can do better than that.
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On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100.
what does your list even mean? just a bunch of vague descriptions that dont actually provide insight on what your priorities are. the only thing that is abundantly clear is youre a gun nut and would defend that at all costs.
the irony in your last sentence is outstanding
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On January 07 2021 18:22 Starlightsun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 18:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. You do realize that even Trump appointed judges have consistently rejected him, right? Presure and fear of retaliation from the incomming government plays a very large part in this unfortunately. Because you say so? Where are you getting this information from?
Because thats the way things go when the political system in countries start going downhill like this. Throwing out cases without even letting any evidance be presented is not normal. This is nothing for people that are already all in on elecrion rigging.
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On January 07 2021 18:26 iXphobos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 18:19 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. I don't think my nation suffered damage yesterday. I honestly don't care about global opinion on the US, especially china's opinion lol. The US, despite its flaws, is still the gold standard in my eyes. I am pro 2nd amendment I am anti-green new deal/government intervention to deal with "catastrophic" climate change I am anti-war I am anti-imperialism I am anti-reparations I am anti-tax I am anti-open borders I am anti-business regulation I am anti-central banking I am anti-BLM and anti-antifa No - I don't think a rogue Congress fearing the people is worse than Marxists decimating cities, including my home of NYC, and ruining lives and private property, for months on end. Democrats, including Harris, across the board have enabled and supported riots for months, and gaslighted regarding the nature and effects of the riots. It might be hard for you, to imagine, but a significant number of Americans don't want the US to turn into Germany, France, Sweden, etc. Myself included. I am incredibly thankful that my parents ended up in the US rather than some more socialist/welfare country with no gun rights. By the way I'm well aware that Trump has violated a lot of the things I care about, like his bump stock ban or his 180 on central banking. He's a trojan horse by the left in my eyes (he is classic NYC liberal). But it's to a lesser extent than career-long crook like Biden and supercop Harris. And obviously trump's rhetoric is better for a right winger like me. Most democrats (the politicians not the electorate) are the pinnacle of scourge in my eyes, and if I were forced to vote between Trump and Biden, it would be Trump 100 times out of 100. I actually had to throw up after reading this.
Imagine. If my parents hadn't chosen wisely I could be living in a country where I wouldn't have to pay my hospital bill and I couldn't own an assault rifle. The horror.
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