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On January 07 2021 13:51 pmh wrote:
Irreversable damage for the GOP. Like how could they salvage this?
The more traditional GOP conservatives could remove trump but then they are left with a party that wont go above 40% ever.
On the other hand they got the court for over a decade to come so thats at least something.
Sticking with Trump under these conditions seems impossible as well,i dont think Trump will ever be able to win an election again and the traditional conservatives probably wont put up with all this.
I dont know if he will get removed from office but it seems quiet likely he will at least get kicked out of the party (is that even possible,i would assume yes).
A fractured GOP,now if only the democrats would break up into a progressive party and a more traditional party as well then maybe there can be some real politics in the usa based on compromises instead of 1 party taking all and leaving the other halve of the country dissatisfied. That probably wont happen and maybe it wouldnt be a good idea for usa politics either,its not like continental europe and the rheinland model where compromises and cooperation between political partys are the norm.
Its quiet interesting to see what will happen from here,a lot depends on bidens presidency now. Can he find a good middle ground between the more traditional democrats and the large group of progressive democrats while also possibly apeal to some of the moderate republicans.
You have consistently got everything about US politics wrong.
This is the GOP. They're not fracturing. They're just going to get more conspiratorial and hope they can find another candidate who can bring out rural non-voters out in force like Trump.
Some would like to throw Trump out with the bathwater but, as the house has shown, a vast number of them make up the Republican Party. Those who don't toe the line will get primary challenges and lose like during the Tea Party movement. Fox News is still maintaining the party line of this being an Antifa conspiracy as well as less violent and more peaceful than the bad BLM protests so what they're doing is totally A-OK.
People thought the Tea Party would kill and fracture the GOP. It didn't, it just made them more detached from reality and installed a group of people who absolutely zero interest in policy beyond making other people suffer.
There's going to be one single moderate Republican who might back Biden and that's Mitt Romney. That's because he has possibly the safest seat in the Senate. He's Utah's Mormon golden boy.
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The GOP won't die unless you kill it, the Republicans are a utterly principleless power hungry lot. They will continue to utilize this MAGA movement in any way they can to wield power, regardless of how it impacts anything else. They will not be voted out, they cannot be successfully stymied by the current Democratic party, we have to oust the offending republicans to make it clear that keeping your position in Congress isn't purely contingent on appeasing lunatics, if you go too far you will have your position taken from you.
Relying on electoralism to solve this fascistic downslide would be the gravest mistake to make at this moment imo.
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On January 07 2021 13:57 StalkerTL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 13:51 pmh wrote:
Irreversable damage for the GOP. Like how could they salvage this?
The more traditional GOP conservatives could remove trump but then they are left with a party that wont go above 40% ever.
On the other hand they got the court for over a decade to come so thats at least something.
Sticking with Trump under these conditions seems impossible as well,i dont think Trump will ever be able to win an election again and the traditional conservatives probably wont put up with all this.
I dont know if he will get removed from office but it seems quiet likely he will at least get kicked out of the party (is that even possible,i would assume yes).
A fractured GOP,now if only the democrats would break up into a progressive party and a more traditional party as well then maybe there can be some real politics in the usa based on compromises instead of 1 party taking all and leaving the other halve of the country dissatisfied. That probably wont happen and maybe it wouldnt be a good idea for usa politics either,its not like continental europe and the rheinland model where compromises and cooperation between political partys are the norm.
Its quiet interesting to see what will happen from here,a lot depends on bidens presidency now. Can he find a good middle ground between the more traditional democrats and the large group of progressive democrats while also possibly apeal to some of the moderate republicans. You have consistently got everything about US politics wrong. This is the GOP. They're not fracturing. They're just going to get more conspiratorial and hope they can find another candidate who can bring out rural non-voters out in force like Trump. Some would like to throw Trump out with the bathwater but, as the house has shown, a vast number of them make up the Republican Party. Those who don't toe the line will get primary challenges and lose like during the Tea Party movement. Fox News is still maintaining the party line of this being an Antifa conspiracy as well as less violent and more peaceful than the bad BLM protests. People thought the Tea Party would kill and fracture the GOP. It didn't, it just made them more detached from reality and installed a group of people who absolutely zero interest in policy beyond making other people suffer. There's going to be one single moderate Republican who might back Biden and that's Mitt Romney. That's because he has possibly the safest seat in the Senate. He's Utah's Mormon golden boy.
No i dont think so,i think Trump was the limit and the end of a trend and that we will now see a regression towards the middle and more traditional GOP again. The party itself wont fracture,i didnt really mean that and i should have been more clear about that. More that their base will fracture leaving the party with a considerable smaller base in the near future.
Maybe i see some things wrong about usa politics that is very well possible. But for example i also called the peak of the BLM protests pretty correctly like 3 months before the election when everyone here was thinking polarization would keep increasing and maybe even a revolution would break out.
The extremes they are not the norm,societys dont tend to stay at the extremes for a very long time. I think this was the peak of a certain extreme represented by trump and i am pretty sure the republican party as a whole wont go further towards the path of conspiracys and what not. On the contrary,they will move away from that path and back to their more traditional values.
But yes,maybe i am wrong i dont know. We will see.
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On January 07 2021 14:11 pmh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 13:57 StalkerTL wrote:On January 07 2021 13:51 pmh wrote:
Irreversable damage for the GOP. Like how could they salvage this?
The more traditional GOP conservatives could remove trump but then they are left with a party that wont go above 40% ever.
On the other hand they got the court for over a decade to come so thats at least something.
Sticking with Trump under these conditions seems impossible as well,i dont think Trump will ever be able to win an election again and the traditional conservatives probably wont put up with all this.
I dont know if he will get removed from office but it seems quiet likely he will at least get kicked out of the party (is that even possible,i would assume yes).
A fractured GOP,now if only the democrats would break up into a progressive party and a more traditional party as well then maybe there can be some real politics in the usa based on compromises instead of 1 party taking all and leaving the other halve of the country dissatisfied. That probably wont happen and maybe it wouldnt be a good idea for usa politics either,its not like continental europe and the rheinland model where compromises and cooperation between political partys are the norm.
Its quiet interesting to see what will happen from here,a lot depends on bidens presidency now. Can he find a good middle ground between the more traditional democrats and the large group of progressive democrats while also possibly apeal to some of the moderate republicans. You have consistently got everything about US politics wrong. This is the GOP. They're not fracturing. They're just going to get more conspiratorial and hope they can find another candidate who can bring out rural non-voters out in force like Trump. Some would like to throw Trump out with the bathwater but, as the house has shown, a vast number of them make up the Republican Party. Those who don't toe the line will get primary challenges and lose like during the Tea Party movement. Fox News is still maintaining the party line of this being an Antifa conspiracy as well as less violent and more peaceful than the bad BLM protests. People thought the Tea Party would kill and fracture the GOP. It didn't, it just made them more detached from reality and installed a group of people who absolutely zero interest in policy beyond making other people suffer. There's going to be one single moderate Republican who might back Biden and that's Mitt Romney. That's because he has possibly the safest seat in the Senate. He's Utah's Mormon golden boy. No i dont think so,i think Trump was the limit and the end of a trend and that we will now see a regression towards the middle again. The party itself wont fracture,i didnt really mean that and i should have been more clear about that. More that their base will fracture leaving the party with a considerable smaller base on the near future. Maybe i see some things wrong about usa politics that is very well possible. But for example i also called the peak of the BLM protests pretty correctly like 3 months before the election when everyone here was thinking polarization would keep increasing. The extremes they are not the norm,societys dont tend to stay at the extremes for a very long time. I think this was the peak of a certain extreme represented by trump and i am pretty sure the republican party as a whole wont go further towards the path of conspiracys and what not. On the contrary,they will move away from that path.
Seeing Republicans double down on conspiracy theories the day of the storming of the Capitol by deranged conspiracy theorists indicates that the GOP does not have any intention of going back towards whatever America's middle is.
They've committed to continuing down the proto-fascist pipeline.
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There is more opposition already,trump no longer dominates the party. A lot of republicans who did intend to support all the objections against the election result have already turned away from doing so. Sure some will stick with it but not to the extend that was the case before today.
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On January 07 2021 13:51 pmh wrote:
Irreversable damage for the GOP. Like how could they salvage this?
The more traditional GOP conservatives could remove trump but then they are left with a party that wont go above 40% ever.
On the other hand they got the court for over a decade to come so thats at least something.
Sticking with Trump under these conditions seems impossible as well,i dont think Trump will ever be able to win an election again and the traditional conservatives probably wont put up with all this.
I dont know if he will get removed from office but it seems quiet likely he will at least get kicked out of the party (is that even possible,i would assume yes).
A fractured GOP,now if only the democrats would break up into a progressive party and a more traditional party as well then maybe there can be some real politics in the usa based on compromises instead of 1 party taking all and leaving the other halve of the country dissatisfied. That probably wont happen and maybe it wouldnt be a good idea for usa politics either,its not like continental europe and the rheinland model where compromises and cooperation between political partys are the norm.
Its quiet interesting to see what will happen from here,a lot depends on bidens presidency i guess. Can he find a good middle ground between the more traditional democrats and the large group of progressive democrats while also possibly apeal to some of the moderate republicans.
Somehow I think with everything else people will forget and move on eventually. Isn't the way the US government is set up is so that one party won't be able to have power for an extended period of time? They do have alot of work to do from now onwards though.
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On January 07 2021 14:15 pmh wrote:
There is more opposition already,trump no longer dominates the party. A lot of republicans who did intend to support all the objections against the election result have already turned away from doing so. Sure some will stick with it but not to the extend that was the case before today.
Some turned against it, some didn't. You'll probably find that as soon as its less politically toxic the people that turned against it go back to not being against it.
Republicans aren't changing their minds because they've seen the error of their ways, they're changing their minds because its politically expedient at this moment. As soon as they feel its no longer in their best interest to respect elections they'll go back to undermining them without a second thought.
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Don't worry folks, this is what the Capital looked like...
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on the day of a peaceful BLM march....
But the bicycle police were on duty to stop the Trump supporters though...
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Maybe the responses were wrong...this is a very sad day for America, so I made this shirt to commemorate it. It was a good run boys, from the Battle of Yorktown to today:
Let's see if we can make it to 4.
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On January 07 2021 13:51 pmh wrote:
Irreversable damage for the GOP. Like how could they salvage this?
The more traditional GOP conservatives could remove trump but then they are left with a party that wont go above 40% ever.
On the other hand they got the court for over a decade to come so thats at least something.
Sticking with Trump under these conditions seems impossible as well,i dont think Trump will ever be able to win an election again and the traditional conservatives probably wont put up with all this.
I dont know if he will get removed from office but it seems quiet likely he will at least get kicked out of the party (is that even possible,i would assume yes).
A fractured GOP,now if only the democrats would break up into a progressive party and a more traditional party as well then maybe there can be some real politics in the usa based on compromises instead of 1 party taking all and leaving the other halve of the country dissatisfied. That probably wont happen and maybe it wouldnt be a good idea for usa politics either,its not like continental europe and the rheinland model where compromises and cooperation between political partys are the norm.
Its quiet interesting to see what will happen from here,a lot depends on bidens presidency i guess. Can he find a good middle ground between the more traditional democrats and the large group of progressive democrats while also possibly apeal to some of the moderate republicans.
I kinda think the Dem outlook is their ideas rock, so foist them on the rest of the country, and the ones that hate it will learn to love it. I don't really see the compromise and cooperation happening in the next two years.
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On January 07 2021 14:17 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 14:15 pmh wrote:
There is more opposition already,trump no longer dominates the party. A lot of republicans who did intend to support all the objections against the election result have already turned away from doing so. Sure some will stick with it but not to the extend that was the case before today. Some turned against it, some didn't. You'll probably find that as soon as its less politically toxic the people that turned against it go back to not being against it. Republicans aren't changing their minds because they've seen the error of their ways, they're changing their minds because its politically expedient at this moment. As soon as they feel its no longer in their best interest to respect elections they'll go back to undermining them without a second thought.
I dont know what to say tbh. I dont agree with you but visions on republicans in general like yours (which are shared by many other democrats in this thread) do make me realize how deep the devide and how far the disliking of the other side actually go in american society. I am already a bit less optimistic then before lol,though this is a very progressive forum and not all democrats think like this (at least i hope).
The devide runs very deep and earlier this year i did learn how deep the devide within the democratic party itself between the progressive and the more traditional democrats goes. My perspective is probably coloured by my europen background where politics works in a very different way,specially in countries like germany,the netherlands and scandinavia.
Still i like to be positive and i do genuinly think this was a peak and a regression to more traditional politics will follow for at least the near future.
The usa and its politics wont be like germany or the netherlands ever but i dont think things will get worse from here either. And if it will then well i guess we can only pray that it will end well.
I do agree with you though that politics in general is very opportunistic,thats the case to some extend in europe as well.
At least for now the opportunistic thing to do for the republicans seems to be a small regression away from the extremes. How it will go in the long run i dont know its hard to tell. Some things are difficult to change and the polarization and devission does run deep that i have learned from the past year.
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I dunno I think US politics atm might be a lil reminiscent of Germany atm. But like, 1920s Germany.
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On January 07 2021 14:28 Danglars wrote:
I kinda think the Dem outlook is their ideas rock, so foist them on the rest of the country, and the ones that hate it will learn to love it. I don't really see the compromise and cooperation happening in the next two years.
Don’t you see? It’s the party that is refusing to accept the results of the election that is trying to force their policies on the country!
Do you hear yourself?
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On January 07 2021 11:34 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 11:30 Nevuk wrote:
Reports are now trickling in that definitely confirm that Trump refused to call the guard for a long time. No one seems to have confirmed the Pence rumors.
Here's one via wapo.
And haberman
(There are a lot of sources for this) Impeachment doesnt matter anymore since hes out of office on the 20th but holy fucking shit this is some serious shit.
send him a fucking gift and impeach him anyway for a 2nd time just so it shows. Also for those bums who went against their word there should be a way to try them for treason and that is the very least they could do. Make an example out of them.
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On January 07 2021 14:41 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 14:28 Danglars wrote:
I kinda think the Dem outlook is their ideas rock, so foist them on the rest of the country, and the ones that hate it will learn to love it. I don't really see the compromise and cooperation happening in the next two years. Don’t you see? It’s the party that is refusing to accept the results of the election that is trying to force their policies on the country! Do you hear yourself?
He secretly thinks people really like US conservative policies. Despite all of them being incredibly unpopular that they literally are forced to ram through conservative judges everywhere because there's no other way of maintaining that power except through undemocratic means.
As craven liberals are, they're not even close to the current batch of Republicans and their supporters. At least there's some token attempt to govern. Four years Republicans are still pretending that Trump wouldn't do them like this until he actually does. Every single one of them completely useless and we're sitting here seriously trying to entertain some bullshit about the AZ and PA elections.
As for pmh, look at the people in charge of the Republican Party now. Are these the people who are going to double down on the conspiracy garbage or are these the people who are going to operate in good faith. No, it isn't fracturing. Fox News will feed them the right line of attack and the party will adopt it and stand lockstep with each other when it matters.
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After all the shit that has happened today, the thing that gets you heated enough to try to start something with a former NFL player is being called the liar? State of the US government right here, Harris being utterly worthless and doing nothing but fronting because that's all he knows to do in politics. I hope he has the exact same energy when there aren't people around to hold them back.
Edit 2:
Here is a snip of a CPAN caller asking if the President lied to her today. Come the fuck on, he's lied to you for 4 years straight. It took a white woman getting shot by cops for you to change your tune, to believe that finally the world will not protect you from the possible things to come on the basis that you are white and that Trump isn't just LOL TROLL HE'S KIDDING GUYS HE'S HARMLESS HE'S JUST SAYING THINGS JUST IGNORE IT.
Edit 3:
To people who still think Trump isn't inciting violence, there's a good reason why people are pissed at Pence. They see him as the man who stabbed Trump in the back. And speaking of which, people have gotten visits from the FBI for less than this. Case in point: Laissez Faire on the Something Awful forums getting shut down because some random on that subforum called for a politician to be killed and got the administrators questioned by the feds.
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The way these Republicans can twist reality to fit there delusions is astonishing. I really hope dems take this to heart, you can't work with crazy. Republicans have just jumped so far off the cliff.
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I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often.
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On January 07 2021 14:28 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 13:51 pmh wrote:
Irreversable damage for the GOP. Like how could they salvage this?
The more traditional GOP conservatives could remove trump but then they are left with a party that wont go above 40% ever.
On the other hand they got the court for over a decade to come so thats at least something.
Sticking with Trump under these conditions seems impossible as well,i dont think Trump will ever be able to win an election again and the traditional conservatives probably wont put up with all this.
I dont know if he will get removed from office but it seems quiet likely he will at least get kicked out of the party (is that even possible,i would assume yes).
A fractured GOP,now if only the democrats would break up into a progressive party and a more traditional party as well then maybe there can be some real politics in the usa based on compromises instead of 1 party taking all and leaving the other halve of the country dissatisfied. That probably wont happen and maybe it wouldnt be a good idea for usa politics either,its not like continental europe and the rheinland model where compromises and cooperation between political partys are the norm.
Its quiet interesting to see what will happen from here,a lot depends on bidens presidency i guess. Can he find a good middle ground between the more traditional democrats and the large group of progressive democrats while also possibly apeal to some of the moderate republicans.
I kinda think the Dem outlook is their ideas rock, so foist them on the rest of the country, and the ones that hate it will learn to love it. I don't really see the compromise and cooperation happening in the next two years.
Repubs haven't been doing it anyway, why start now...
Also, the winners of the election and the popular vote foisting their policies onto the country is called Democracy. That's... kind of how it works, and you may want to get used to it. If you're not winning the vote, then you need better people with better ideas, not a shittier system that defies the will of the people.
I'll be bringing this and other knowledge bombs throughout the week. Stay tuned.
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On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often.
I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden.
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Folks who were on the fence but voted for Trump because Biden was too far left would have a fucking aneurysm if they saw just about any of the other Democratic nominees. Biden is about as center as it gets, but compared to Trump and his Nazi pals I can see why he looks far to the left. Relatively speaking, I suppose he is.
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On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.
Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.
Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often. I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden.
Please elaborate.
How can anyone be worse than this?
I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night.
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