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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9344 Posts
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Anc13nt
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote: Please elaborate. How can anyone be worse than this? I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night. China literally mass arrested political candidates, protest leaders, professors, and democracy activists yesterday. They can try to make the comparison, hell, there might be a sympathizer here that wants to do it too, but police are not coming to cart off AOC, Jim Acosta, or Bernie to jail. Chinese media aren’t even close to something real today. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9344 Posts
I'm a bit conflicted because on the one hand it did look like an unruly mob losing control, but on the other hand there were bombs at both party headquarters, which is actual real terrorism. | ||
zeo
Serbia6267 Posts
On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote: The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism. First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9344 Posts
On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote: First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. | ||
Slydie
1895 Posts
On January 07 2021 17:27 Jockmcplop wrote: If people are talking about impeachment and the 25th, this isn't over by a long way. I'm a bit conflicted because on the one hand it did look like an unruly mob losing control, but on the other hand there were bombs at both party headquarters, which is actual real terrorism. There should be some very thorough investigation bringing clarity to this. With the US police and military budgets, having Capitol Hill stormed like that during a very important meeting is beyond embarrassing. While not as spectacular, I think it is fair to compare it to 9/11, and the consequences should be propotionate. | ||
Anc13nt
1557 Posts
Also, most people did not think the Supreme Court would just hand Trump the presidency (that's ridiculous, of course), they thought if it was a close enough election, they would tip the scale in favour like what happened in 2000. This is why Trump and Republikkkans tried to slow down the USPS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Postal_Service_crisis) and subsequently tried to stop counting mail-ins that were coming in late. None of it worked in the end but doesn't mean that he didn't try. | ||
virpi
Germany3598 Posts
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Anc13nt
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On January 07 2021 17:22 Danglars wrote: China literally mass arrested political candidates, protest leaders, professors, and democracy activists yesterday. They can try to make the comparison, hell, there might be a sympathizer here that wants to do it too, but police are not coming to cart off AOC, Jim Acosta, or Bernie to jail. Chinese media aren’t even close to something real today. Yes exactly. It is different. But the autacracys in the world Don t care. Whenever a dictator in any Country in the world has his "election" and there are Protests against it, they will point to this day. The USA has lost its credibillity. They can t be takten seriously anymore as a democracy. For along time. China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Turkey, Bellarus, all the other dictatorships ate laughing at you. | ||
StasisField
United States1086 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7805 Posts
On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote: First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma. Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon). But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye. Bro. The election was not rigged and not stolen. It went to court in dozens of independent cases and they were all closed because Trump campaign had nothing. Zero. Nada. So while protesting election fraud is a right, protesting the result if a fair election is not. That's textbook undermining democracy. | ||
Biff The Understudy
France7805 Posts
On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote: I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden. Oh please. And how the fuck is that? | ||
StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On January 07 2021 17:47 Biff The Understudy wrote: Oh please. And how the fuck is that? Biden has a D next to his name | ||
zeo
Serbia6267 Posts
On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote: Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud? It didn't happen. Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
Biff The Understudy
France7805 Posts
On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote: Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US. Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone. The problem of arguing with people living in alternate realities 😕 | ||
Biff The Understudy
France7805 Posts
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On January 07 2021 17:58 Biff The Understudy wrote: By the way, is Danglar still saying that it's all "political theatre" and that it doesn't matter? I don't remember his other positions from today, but he did say that Biden is retrospectively better than Trump and that Trump should be impeached. | ||
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