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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9784 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-07 08:07:09
January 07 2021 08:05 GMT
#59221
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
January 07 2021 08:21 GMT
#59222
waking up to this news and wondering: how is this real life?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 07 2021 08:22 GMT
#59223
On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:
On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.

Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.

Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often.


I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden.


Please elaborate.
How can anyone be worse than this?
I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night.

China literally mass arrested political candidates, protest leaders, professors, and democracy activists yesterday. They can try to make the comparison, hell, there might be a sympathizer here that wants to do it too, but police are not coming to cart off AOC, Jim Acosta, or Bernie to jail. Chinese media aren’t even close to something real today.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9784 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-07 08:28:38
January 07 2021 08:27 GMT
#59224
If people are talking about impeachment and the 25th, this isn't over by a long way.

I'm a bit conflicted because on the one hand it did look like an unruly mob losing control, but on the other hand there were bombs at both party headquarters, which is actual real terrorism.
RIP Meatloaf <3
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6336 Posts
January 07 2021 08:34 GMT
#59225
On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism.

First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma.

Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon).

But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9784 Posts
January 07 2021 08:36 GMT
#59226
On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism.

First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma.

Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon).

But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye.


Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud?
It didn't happen.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1932 Posts
January 07 2021 08:36 GMT
#59227
On January 07 2021 17:27 Jockmcplop wrote:
If people are talking about impeachment and the 25th, this isn't over by a long way.

I'm a bit conflicted because on the one hand it did look like an unruly mob losing control, but on the other hand there were bombs at both party headquarters, which is actual real terrorism.


There should be some very thorough investigation bringing clarity to this.

With the US police and military budgets, having Capitol Hill stormed like that during a very important meeting is beyond embarrassing. While not as spectacular, I think it is fair to compare it to 9/11, and the consequences should be propotionate.
Buff the siegetank
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-07 08:45:30
January 07 2021 08:37 GMT
#59228
Also the whataboutism coming from Danglars is seriously out of bounds. That he can even make an equivalence between Clinton complaining about Russian interference and the emails with what Trump has done today can only be fairly described tribalism. He struggles to criticize Trump even now when he basically killed multiple people with his stunt but even still, it always has to be "b-b-b-but the Democrats."

Also, most people did not think the Supreme Court would just hand Trump the presidency (that's ridiculous, of course), they thought if it was a close enough election, they would tip the scale in favour like what happened in 2000. This is why Trump and Republikkkans tried to slow down the USPS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Postal_Service_crisis) and subsequently tried to stop counting mail-ins that were coming in late. None of it worked in the end but doesn't mean that he didn't try.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
January 07 2021 08:37 GMT
#59229
The whole thing is a mess. There will be lots of misinformation. New conspiracy theories. Maybe even more violence. There's something deeply wrong with the US. It's like melanoma in stage 3. Trump is the ugly lesion everyone can see, but the cancer has spread all over the body and its vital organs.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-07 08:43:46
January 07 2021 08:38 GMT
#59230
zeo, it's all well and good to dispute election results even if they are legitimate. But you cannot invade the US capitol building to do so. I can protest about COVID restrictions if I were a dumbass but I can't go to your home and give you COVID while "xrcizing mUh Fr3EEe 5p33c4." That is more akin to terrorism.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-07 08:44:09
January 07 2021 08:39 GMT
#59231
Zeo there was no election rigging. It's been exhaustively investigated already. The Trump adminstration has had around 90 lawsuits thrown out by the courts, some by judges he appointed. The "contested" states have done multiple recounts. Stop repeating the false claim of election rigging.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
January 07 2021 08:42 GMT
#59232
On January 07 2021 17:22 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 16:57 dbRic1203 wrote:
On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:
On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.

Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.

Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often.


I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden.


Please elaborate.
How can anyone be worse than this?
I just saw that Chinese media was comparing what happened in Washington with the Protests in Hong Kong. It will take years to repair the damage your nation suffered last night.

China literally mass arrested political candidates, protest leaders, professors, and democracy activists yesterday. They can try to make the comparison, hell, there might be a sympathizer here that wants to do it too, but police are not coming to cart off AOC, Jim Acosta, or Bernie to jail. Chinese media aren’t even close to something real today.


Yes exactly. It is different. But the autacracys in the world Don t care. Whenever a dictator in any Country in the world has his "election" and there are Protests against it, they will point to this day.
The USA has lost its credibillity. They can t be takten seriously anymore as a democracy. For along time.
China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Turkey, Bellarus, all the other dictatorships ate laughing at you.
MaxPax
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
January 07 2021 08:43 GMT
#59233
And with that the vote is certified. Let's hope they either get this fucker out of the Oval Office with the 25th or start the process to impeach his ass tomorrow.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7992 Posts
January 07 2021 08:46 GMT
#59234
On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism.

First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma.

Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon).

But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye.

Bro. The election was not rigged and not stolen. It went to court in dozens of independent cases and they were all closed because Trump campaign had nothing. Zero. Nada.

So while protesting election fraud is a right, protesting the result if a fair election is not. That's textbook undermining democracy.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7992 Posts
January 07 2021 08:47 GMT
#59235
On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.

Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.

Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often.


I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden.


Oh please.

And how the fuck is that?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
January 07 2021 08:48 GMT
#59236
On January 07 2021 17:47 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 16:49 BerserkSword wrote:
On January 07 2021 16:37 dbRic1203 wrote:
I remember from the election mega thread, that here are a few people, that voted for Trump, because Biden / Harris are to far left and by that even worse.

Is here still someone, Who thinks Trump was a worthy candidate to lead the biggest economy of the world?
I never understood Trump supporters and now I m actually curious, if they finally see HOW bad he realy was or if they are so far down the rabit hole, that they Don t care anymore.

Any insight is appreciated. If someone is responding to this, pls DM me, as I don t check this thread often.


I neither posted in the election thread, nor voted for trump, but I still think trump is the lesser evil compared to Harris/Biden.


Oh please.

And how the fuck is that?

Biden has a D next to his name
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6336 Posts
January 07 2021 08:52 GMT
#59237
On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:
On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism.

First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma.

Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon).

But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye.


Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud?
It didn't happen.

Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US.

Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone.

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"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7992 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-07 08:54:27
January 07 2021 08:54 GMT
#59238
On January 07 2021 17:52 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2021 17:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
On January 07 2021 17:34 zeo wrote:
On January 07 2021 17:05 Jockmcplop wrote:
The republican senators doubling down and backing this terrorism should be treated no differently than a muslim cleric preaching terrorism. Disappeared off to Guantanamo. Its what they would do if trying to defend the US from terrorists, instead of inspiring and defending terrorism.

First of all, dissenting against systematic voter fraud and election rigging is a criminal act only in authoritarian dictatorships. The elections in my country were also rigged to the moon. A very large chunk of the country boycotted them and the ruling party had to resort to pulling people out of their homes and threatening their jobs so they will vote for them, buying votes from poor people (that are poor because of them), Bulgarian train voter fraud going on in front of voter booths and even then they couldn't get over 50% turnout. After the elections the EU and the US/Russia congratulated our authoritarian leader because he does everything they say down to the comma.

Sure, we protested. I was there when we tried to enter our Parliament, we failed of course and even if we made it in this isn't the Ukraine. You can't take over a country by entering Parliament with foreigner backing (which coincidently happened in Belgrade in 2000.). Fruitless, all of it. But I will never accept the results of our election, my government isn't legitimate and there is hope when they finally do go away that we can prosecute them all (honestly, unlikely to happen any time soon).

But even in a country as politically rotten as my one its legal to protest election rigging, Maybe you have never seen first hand what its like to be in a room where election rigging is occurring and you can do nothing about it, but its one of the worst helpless feeling I have ever had. And people get angry when elections get stolen, they get very angry when the institutions in place to stop it are all doing everything in their power to turn a blind eye.


Why are you talking about stolen elections and fraud?
It didn't happen.

Because the people doing the election rigging say it didn't happen? Large swaths of election fraud cases being denied while blocking evidence from being presented at all is very much proof to anyone even lightly following the post election. I'm sure more people voting in a county than there are actually people living there and dead people voting is normal in Eastern Europe and Africa, but not in the US.

Now, you can turn a blind eye because 'your guy won', but its the Democrats that should be the most furious at their politicians in this case. Sure, you won, but at what cost? It's all downhill morally from here on out. A biased 'factchecker' says nothing to see here, move along doesn't mean that the Democrat voters should move on. They should be the ones scrutinizing this election harder than anyone.

The problem of arguing with people living in alternate realities 😕
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7992 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-07 09:02:22
January 07 2021 08:58 GMT
#59239
By the way, is Danglar still saying that it's all "political theatre" and that it doesn't matter?
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
January 07 2021 09:04 GMT
#59240
On January 07 2021 17:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
By the way, is Danglar still saying that it's all "political theatre" and that it doesn't matter?

I don't remember his other positions from today, but he did say that Biden is retrospectively better than Trump and that Trump should be impeached.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
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