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LightSpectra
United States2877 Posts
On July 17 2026 17:10 ETisME wrote: how would you rate white supremacy discrimination level of native american Interesting question, should a higher score mean they're more effective at being racist or the racism is more evil? and how does that fair black then? ??? | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5194 Posts
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ETisME
12782 Posts
On July 17 2026 17:13 LightSpectra wrote: Interesting question, should a higher score mean they're more effective at being racist or the racism is more evil? ??? Stay on topic. According you the more discriminated should mean they perform more gun homicide, shouldn't it? Give me a rating then. I am not even against your theory, I just want to hear you admitting white supremacy had it harder on blacks than native Americans. | ||
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ETisME
12782 Posts
On July 17 2026 17:13 Uldridge wrote: Crime is a consequence of a thing, not the thing itself. So why is the crime happening? Since when is crime not happening? Which nation has 0 crime? | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2877 Posts
On July 17 2026 17:14 ETisME wrote: Stay on topic. According you the more discriminated should mean they perform more gun homicide, shouldn't it? Not quite what I said, and moreover discrimination is not a one-dimensional value. Segregating people into urban ghettos versus faraway reserves will result in poverty and crime manifesting in different ways. On July 17 2026 17:17 ETisME wrote: Since when is crime not happening? Which nation has 0 crime? Actual "Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about" moment here. | ||
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ETisME
12782 Posts
On July 17 2026 17:18 LightSpectra wrote: Not quite what I said, and moreover discrimination is not a one-dimensional value. Segregating people into urban ghettos versus faraway reserves will result in poverty and crime manifesting in different ways. well it has to be quantified in some ways in order to come to some conclusion of yours. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5194 Posts
On July 17 2026 17:17 ETisME wrote: Since when is crime not happening? Which nation has 0 crime? I was asking you why the crimes are happening. You're just answering: well, crime, lol. But if you can't be bothered to do some analysis or posit a hypothesis that's also fine. Just say so and I'll move on because it's shitting up the thread with nonsense again. | ||
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ETisME
12782 Posts
On July 17 2026 17:18 LightSpectra wrote: Not quite what I said, and moreover discrimination is not a one-dimensional value. Segregating people into urban ghettos versus faraway reserves will result in poverty and crime manifesting in different ways. Actual "Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about" moment here. Actual "Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about" moment here. - that goes for the person asking why crime is happening. | ||
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ETisME
12782 Posts
On July 17 2026 17:20 Uldridge wrote: I was asking you why the crimes are happening. You're just answering: well, crime, lol. But if you can't be bothered to do some analysis or posit a hypothesis that's also fine. Just say so and I'll move on because it's shitting up the thread with nonsense again. yes, a stupid question gets a stupid answer. If you had sensible answer to that, then why hasn't it been solved? | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2423 Posts
On July 17 2026 16:56 LightSpectra wrote: Crime is caused by socioeconomic conditions They are absolutely a large factor, but you can't call Trump a criminal and then just make them the blanket explanation like this. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5194 Posts
Every time you bring it up you get these shoulder shrugs with vague allusions to "it's probably in their DNA", or "their culture is just inherently violent/barbaric/incompatible", but these myopic views are just what's needed to not address the problem and keep it festering. In any case, you've reinforced your own stereotype so well done on not answering the question with a for once thoughtful analysis but instead servicing us with a shit sandwich everyone saw coming from a mile away. | ||
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oBlade
United States6319 Posts
On July 17 2026 16:52 Acrofales wrote: Like clockwork. Repeating Trump's baseless drivel. Here, have a link debunking it: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20260717-fact-check-trump-s-primetime-speech-rehashing-election-claims Your link doesn't seem to debunk dead and foreigners on voter rolls. On July 17 2026 16:24 oBlade wrote: 250,000 foreigners registered to vote in 4 states? That's pretty bad. Noncitizen voters Trump claimed hundreds of thousands of non-citizens were registered to vote. Non-citizen voting is illegal and has been shown by both election audits and independent research to be exceedingly rare. Several safeguards prevent non-citizens from voting. Is this a joke? Someone in Spain is linking a newspaper in France that says "we think foreigners in the US don't vote very often" as a response to the fact of there being hundreds of thousands of dead and foreigners registered to vote. "Voter roll" means "list of people who can vote." It's different than "list of people who voted in a given election." Is that what you misunderstood? Otherwise your response doesn't make sense. "It's illegal for noncitizens to vote" is a pretty clueless rebuttal to the fact that there are foreigners registered to vote, because noncitizens registering to vote IS ALSO ALREADY ILLEGAL. Not a confidence-inspiring piece of propaganda. Worried about foreigners voting? Don't worry, it's illegal! Ah, they won't vote because it's illegal, but so it was legal for them to register, then? No, that was illegal too. ... Being registered is the problem. Your newspaper which quotes a blog seems to be debunking a different claim you imagined I said, like "These dead and foreigner votes flipped a specific election," which you have a Pavlovian response for. Find someone claiming that and debunk them. | ||
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ETisME
12782 Posts
On July 17 2026 17:34 Uldridge wrote: There's a very sensible answer to it which is a tale as old as time, but it's being conveniently ignored by one side of the population because it gives conflict and a narrative to share their base behind. Every time you bring it up you get these shoulder shrugs with vague allusions to "it's probably in their DNA", or "their culture is just inherently violent/barbaric/incompatible", but these myopic views are just what's needed to not address the problem and keep it festering. In any case, you've reinforced your own stereotype so well done on not answering the question with a for once thoughtful analysis but instead servicing us with a shit sandwich everyone saw coming from a mile away. Culture is definitely part of it, so is poverty and so is crime. These are all inter-related, that's the only way to look at it. In China, the north chinese drink themselves to death at 18s and it's also the poorer region with worst pollution and one of the worst crime region. But nothing to do with wealth, drinking is part of the culture, like vodka for Russians in cold weather. In fact one of the ways the rich shows off is to gift expensive ones. Only exceptions were those who moved down to the south for a better life. It took China extreme hardline anti-drinking campaigns for more than a decade to change the culture and identity. literally fining companies for drinking culture, and those who smelled a bit of alcohol. It also specifically made propaganda/marketing to make drinking uncool. It still has a significantly higher alcohol related death than rest of China. Never going to happen in the US. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22474 Posts
Only exceptions were those who moved down to the south for a better life. And there you cut down your own argument.Turns out it wasn't a culture of drinking yourself to death by 18, it was their social economic living conditions, and once they left those conditions they stopped drinking themselves to death. (the same holds true for Russia, the alcoholism of the 80's and 90's being caused by the economic collapse of the soviet union.) | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5194 Posts
The story is always the following: failed integration and a lack of systemic empathy to make very long term dedicated effort (spanning multiple years, maybe generations), causes these issues. City panners dump immigranta in a place and expect them to find their social roles themselves (I know some cities have follow up and systems in place), but why would you, as an immigrant, fit in when your surrogate doesn't want you and there's a subset of likeminded people in your neighborhood anyway? Integration has laregly, for me at least, almost always been a failure. And the most to blame has almost in every case always been the host. | ||
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