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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12861 Posts
July 17 2026 06:28 GMT
#117221
that's not a discredit. It's just a stats people put a lot of politics in and avoid coming to a conclusion.
Similar to how disproportional crimes of blacks involved in anti-asian hate crime, and 80-90% of black homocide rate is committed by black offenders.
Yet headline is almost never anything about these stats
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44269 Posts
July 17 2026 06:47 GMT
#117222
It’s a political performance. He was launching into an explanation of how he, as a conservative white man, had nothing to fear from guns because America doesn’t have a guns problem, it has a blacks problem. He wasn’t able to reach his conclusion though because another conservative white man shot him in the neck before he could finish, ultimately resulting in his death from a suspected fentanyl overdose. The man had great comedic timing.
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LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3124 Posts
July 17 2026 06:50 GMT
#117223
On July 17 2026 11:01 Billyboy wrote:
I find it strange that 2 elections ago was rigged, by China, but then the Dems fixed it so Trump could win. I mean that is super honest, and clearly they care more about fairness and the constitution than winning. Very un swampy. Trump makes a great argument on why, if you care about getting rid of corruption and fairness, vote dem.


When Trump was POTUS the first time we apparently had the singularly worst election security breach in known history. The elections were then completely safe & secure under Biden.

Conclusion: Republicans can't keep us safe.
On July 17 2026 13:25 lestye wrote:
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On July 17 2026 11:01 Billyboy wrote:
I find it strange that 2 elections ago was rigged, by China, but then the Dems fixed it so Trump could win. I mean that is super honest, and clearly they care more about fairness and the constitution than winning. Very un swampy. Trump makes a great argument on why, if you care about getting rid of corruption and fairness, vote dem.

Do you guys have any trumpers in your life that actually cares about this stuff?

I'd get it if this is something that riles and excites his base, but the trumpers I know are apathetic towards this blubbering. Is this rhetoric for him so he can play victim or does this make his base excited?


My real life MAGA relatives are embarased by this shit. They're only in the game because they hate immigrants and DEI.

The Epstein files are what finally made them waver, although they're still never going to switch to Democrats.

On July 17 2026 13:40 KwarK wrote:
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On July 16 2026 23:17 LightSpectra wrote:
On July 16 2026 23:09 oBlade wrote:
On July 16 2026 16:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
An Italian artist named Sergio Furnari is apparently looking to show off a statue of an ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster, this September in New York City: https://pix11.com/news/us-world-news/statue-of-charlie-kirk-set-to-be-unveiled-in-times-square-heres-when/

Will be nice to have a prominent public reminder of what the particularly deranged among the left would do to those who disagree with them.


What disagreement? Charlie Kirk said "I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights." The assassin evidently agreed.

Gun deaths? So we’re just ignoring the drugs in his system? The reality is that we just don’t know what caused his death. Was it fentanyl? Was it something else? I’m just asking questions.


I made this same joke months ago and some other TLnet moderator warned me for it lol
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5201 Posts
July 17 2026 07:06 GMT
#117224
If we can't even ask fair and honest question any longer, what does that say about the current state of our society? It's all about getting to the full truth after all!
Taxes are for Terrans
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12861 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-07-17 07:13:35
July 17 2026 07:13 GMT
#117225
On July 17 2026 15:47 KwarK wrote:
It’s a political performance. He was launching into an explanation of how he, as a conservative white man, had nothing to fear from guns because America doesn’t have a guns problem, it has a blacks problem. He wasn’t able to reach his conclusion though because another conservative white man shot him in the neck before he could finish, ultimately resulting in his death from a suspected fentanyl overdose. The man had great comedic timing.

https://fortune.com/2026/06/26/heat-death-europe-ac-american-gun-violence-climate-change-hot-summer/
Irrational fear and over reporting on gun death., wouldn't you say that proves his point?
The black gun violence problem is statistically proven majority.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18425 Posts
July 17 2026 07:21 GMT
#117226
On July 17 2026 16:13 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2026 15:47 KwarK wrote:
It’s a political performance. He was launching into an explanation of how he, as a conservative white man, had nothing to fear from guns because America doesn’t have a guns problem, it has a blacks problem. He wasn’t able to reach his conclusion though because another conservative white man shot him in the neck before he could finish, ultimately resulting in his death from a suspected fentanyl overdose. The man had great comedic timing.

https://fortune.com/2026/06/26/heat-death-europe-ac-american-gun-violence-climate-change-hot-summer/
Irrational fear and over reporting on gun death., wouldn't you say that proves his point?
The black gun violence problem is statistically proven majority.

Did you read the article you linked? The conclusion wasn't "gun deaths in America are exaggerated"...

And yes, Europe needs to get to work asap on taking the impact of climate change seriously and preventive measures for heat-related problems. But two wrongs don't make a right.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6450 Posts
July 17 2026 07:24 GMT
#117227
On July 17 2026 06:37 Simberto wrote:
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On July 17 2026 06:23 Billyboy wrote:
So wait, Trump is talking about the 2020 election tonight? WTF, I thought maybe the Iran war, or inflation, or even immigration, but no he still stuck on pretending he won?

How people support this selfish moron is beyond me.


I mean, yeah, it is somewhat funny that he seems to be stuck on that and that he just can't seem to deal with having lost that election, but on the other hand it is also his transparent excuse to fuck with future elections.

Because if that election was tampered with, surely we need more "protections" to prevent that from happening again. And since any result that isn't Trump winning is proof of election fraud, we need to put system ins place to make sure that Trump wins.

250,000 foreigners registered to vote in 4 states? That's pretty bad.

China getting 220 million US voter files? That's pretty bad.

Pattern of intelligence community bureaucrats quashing information and investigations from Senate-confirmed appointees of the President? Yeah we're not doing that again.

Amazingly states that are working together with the federal government got 400,000 dead people and 28,000 foreigners off their voter rolls. Meanwhile states that aren't interested in cooperating are busy spending all their money on drawings of high speed trains.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3124 Posts
July 17 2026 07:32 GMT
#117228
On July 17 2026 16:13 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2026 15:47 KwarK wrote:
It’s a political performance. He was launching into an explanation of how he, as a conservative white man, had nothing to fear from guns because America doesn’t have a guns problem, it has a blacks problem. He wasn’t able to reach his conclusion though because another conservative white man shot him in the neck before he could finish, ultimately resulting in his death from a suspected fentanyl overdose. The man had great comedic timing.

https://fortune.com/2026/06/26/heat-death-europe-ac-american-gun-violence-climate-change-hot-summer/
Irrational fear and over reporting on gun death., wouldn't you say that proves his point?
The black gun violence problem is statistically proven majority.


We have mass shootings in America every week. We also have people wildly underestimating how deadly climate change-fueled heatwaves are. Apparently your take away from this is people shouldn't care about either of those things.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12861 Posts
July 17 2026 07:42 GMT
#117229
On July 17 2026 16:32 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2026 16:13 ETisME wrote:
On July 17 2026 15:47 KwarK wrote:
It’s a political performance. He was launching into an explanation of how he, as a conservative white man, had nothing to fear from guns because America doesn’t have a guns problem, it has a blacks problem. He wasn’t able to reach his conclusion though because another conservative white man shot him in the neck before he could finish, ultimately resulting in his death from a suspected fentanyl overdose. The man had great comedic timing.

https://fortune.com/2026/06/26/heat-death-europe-ac-american-gun-violence-climate-change-hot-summer/
Irrational fear and over reporting on gun death., wouldn't you say that proves his point?
The black gun violence problem is statistically proven majority.


We have mass shootings in America every week. We also have people wildly underestimating how deadly climate change-fueled heatwaves are. Apparently your take away from this is people shouldn't care about either of those things.

well you definitely got the wrong takeaway from my post then.

Heat wave death toll in Europe has been on par/above US gun death multiple years since 2003.
It didn't get underestimated, It's under reported, while gun death is overly reported.
so yes, the point is part of the problem is reporting.

If you want to address the issue, then why isn't there more focus on statistically proven majority that are causing gun violence?
Surely you agree racism is an issue then, why is decades of black of anti-asian crime not well known and under reported? what's your take away here?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5201 Posts
July 17 2026 07:50 GMT
#117230
What's your reasoning for there being black gun violence and what do you suppose we do about it?
Taxes are for Terrans
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18425 Posts
July 17 2026 07:52 GMT
#117231
On July 17 2026 16:24 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2026 06:37 Simberto wrote:
On July 17 2026 06:23 Billyboy wrote:
So wait, Trump is talking about the 2020 election tonight? WTF, I thought maybe the Iran war, or inflation, or even immigration, but no he still stuck on pretending he won?

How people support this selfish moron is beyond me.


I mean, yeah, it is somewhat funny that he seems to be stuck on that and that he just can't seem to deal with having lost that election, but on the other hand it is also his transparent excuse to fuck with future elections.

Because if that election was tampered with, surely we need more "protections" to prevent that from happening again. And since any result that isn't Trump winning is proof of election fraud, we need to put system ins place to make sure that Trump wins.

250,000 foreigners registered to vote in 4 states? That's pretty bad.

China getting 220 million US voter files? That's pretty bad.

Pattern of intelligence community bureaucrats quashing information and investigations from Senate-confirmed appointees of the President? Yeah we're not doing that again.

Amazingly states that are working together with the federal government got 400,000 dead people and 28,000 foreigners off their voter rolls. Meanwhile states that aren't interested in cooperating are busy spending all their money on drawings of high speed trains.


Like clockwork. Repeating Trump's baseless drivel. Here, have a link debunking it: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20260717-fact-check-trump-s-primetime-speech-rehashing-election-claims
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3124 Posts
July 17 2026 07:56 GMT
#117232
Crime is caused by socioeconomic conditions, white supremacy has kept black people disproportionately poor since this country's foundation. That's really all there is to it. Republicans mislabel this "critical race theory" and deny it's factually true, but any rudimentary course on criminology at an accredited university will tell you as much.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12861 Posts
July 17 2026 08:02 GMT
#117233
On July 17 2026 16:50 Uldridge wrote:
What's your reasoning for there being black gun violence and what do you suppose we do about it?

I think until there is more conversations about these stats, we can start looking into the problem more fairly.
The US knife homicide rate is higher than the UK, I would say it's a crime problem, the topic should have been on crime more than weapon of choices.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5201 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-07-17 08:05:58
July 17 2026 08:04 GMT
#117234
I'm not asking for a left perspective, I'm asking for a right one. You're like a parent answering for a child being afraid them getting the answer wrong. In any case, still awaiting Etisme's response. Because if we can't get out of the basics, we can't move on to higher level stuff honestly.

On July 17 2026 17:02 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2026 16:50 Uldridge wrote:
What's your reasoning for there being black gun violence and what do you suppose we do about it?

I think until there is more conversations about these stats, we can start looking into the problem more fairly.
The US knife homicide rate is higher than the UK, I would say it's a crime problem, the topic should have been on crime more than weapon of choices.


You're really not going to give your hypothesis due to "there not being enough data"?
Taxes are for Terrans
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12861 Posts
July 17 2026 08:05 GMT
#117235
On July 17 2026 16:56 LightSpectra wrote:
Crime is caused by socioeconomic conditions, white supremacy has kept black people disproportionately poor since this country's foundation. That's really all there is to it. Republicans mislabel this "critical race theory" and deny it's factually true, but any rudimentary course on criminology at an accredited university will tell you as much.

The white race superiority has put a disproportionately wealth against all other races, well maybe not Jewish.
But black is rarely the only one that got oppressed.
They have significantly higher gun homocide rate than native americans.
And that's not counting all the other races that are not white/
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3124 Posts
July 17 2026 08:07 GMT
#117236
Genuinely wtf are you talking about? Do you think white supremacy means every other race is equally discriminated against in the exact same ways?
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12861 Posts
July 17 2026 08:07 GMT
#117237
On July 17 2026 17:04 Uldridge wrote:
I'm not asking for a left perspective, I'm asking for a right one. You're like a parent answering for a child being afraid them getting the answer wrong. In any case, still awaiting Etisme's response. Because if we can't get out of the basics, we can't move on to higher level stuff honestly.

I didn't give you a left perspective, and you certainly didn't ask for a right one.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5201 Posts
July 17 2026 08:09 GMT
#117238
On July 17 2026 17:07 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2026 17:04 Uldridge wrote:
I'm not asking for a left perspective, I'm asking for a right one. You're like a parent answering for a child being afraid them getting the answer wrong. In any case, still awaiting Etisme's response. Because if we can't get out of the basics, we can't move on to higher level stuff honestly.

I didn't give you a left perspective, and you certainly didn't ask for a right one.

LightSpectra gave one, while I was asking for yours.
Taxes are for Terrans
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12861 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-07-17 08:11:39
July 17 2026 08:10 GMT
#117239
On July 17 2026 17:07 LightSpectra wrote:
Genuinely wtf are you talking about? Do you think white supremacy means every other race is equally discriminated against in the exact same ways?

how would you rate white supremacy discrimination level of native american and how does that fair against the discrimination against black then?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12861 Posts
July 17 2026 08:11 GMT
#117240
On July 17 2026 17:09 Uldridge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2026 17:07 ETisME wrote:
On July 17 2026 17:04 Uldridge wrote:
I'm not asking for a left perspective, I'm asking for a right one. You're like a parent answering for a child being afraid them getting the answer wrong. In any case, still awaiting Etisme's response. Because if we can't get out of the basics, we can't move on to higher level stuff honestly.

I didn't give you a left perspective, and you certainly didn't ask for a right one.

LightSpectra gave one, while I was asking for yours.

I said it's a crime problem.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
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