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On July 17 2026 00:21 dyhb wrote:
A year later, a poster is talking about a statue
Yes, because it was in the news now, not a year ago. You don't need to respond if you don't care.
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On July 17 2026 00:21 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2026 23:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2026 23:55 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:13 Jankisa wrote:
By all extents and proposes he was "martyred" because a guy who was dating a Trans girl was fed up by him constantly shitting on Trans people. The key element is actually killing the guy because you thought his speech was so hateful towards trans people. I have enough shared humanity in my perspective to not feel the need to shit on his beliefs a year after he was murdered for them. It's a statue, not the Charlie Kirk Memorial Act for Transgender Exclusion and Establishing Religion. Why? Do his beliefs become less shit after a year? Hopefully you can call it a shitty Charlie Kirk statue and not a anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster statue after he's been dead a year. Just in the interest of moving beyond the person who agrees with you and also thought he should die for it. See Rule #1 for martyrs. Show nested quote +On July 16 2026 23:59 Luolis wrote:On July 16 2026 21:44 dyhb wrote:Spoken like the only good ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster is a dead ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster. Give it a rest for fuck’s sake, you’ve already made him a martyr. Funnily enough, Charlie Kirk's legacy is becoming a meme. Partly because the right wing tried really hard into making him a martyr but everyone thinks that it was overblown. Personally i don't care that he died. Why would i? This was a guy whose political positions were making life harder for anyone like me. I live like he asked (eg; not letting empathy come in the way of gun ownership). After all some gun deaths are acceptable to keep the 2nd amendment. Charlie Kirk isn't just a meme for the right. He lives on as a meme for the left. A year later, a poster is talking about a statue like Republicans just passed a Trans Exclusion Act in memory of Charlie Kirk. Somebody else said the widow didn't care that he died. Just move on, and say "who cares" if somebody makes a statue. I get the mocking of certain right-wing types, but I don't get making yourself into a parody of what right-wingers think leftists are at heart.
Oh Charlie Kirk absolutely gets clowned on by the majority of people, not just the left. I'd argue a big reason for this is that its a counter movement to the right trying so desperately into making him a martyr. His wife is a funny topic because she doesn't really act like a person who is grieving. Like 2 weeks after his death she was parading around like a pro wrestler.
I don't really know what the parody thing is supposed to be. At worst i'm treating Charlie Kirk with the civility he would treat me.
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On July 17 2026 00:21 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2026 23:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2026 23:55 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:13 Jankisa wrote:
By all extents and proposes he was "martyred" because a guy who was dating a Trans girl was fed up by him constantly shitting on Trans people. The key element is actually killing the guy because you thought his speech was so hateful towards trans people. I have enough shared humanity in my perspective to not feel the need to shit on his beliefs a year after he was murdered for them. It's a statue, not the Charlie Kirk Memorial Act for Transgender Exclusion and Establishing Religion. Why? Do his beliefs become less shit after a year? Hopefully you can call it a shitty Charlie Kirk statue and not a anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster statue after he's been dead a year. Just in the interest of moving beyond the person who agrees with you and also thought he should die for it. See Rule #1 for martyrs. Show nested quote +On July 16 2026 23:59 Luolis wrote:On July 16 2026 21:44 dyhb wrote:Spoken like the only good ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster is a dead ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster. Give it a rest for fuck’s sake, you’ve already made him a martyr. Funnily enough, Charlie Kirk's legacy is becoming a meme. Partly because the right wing tried really hard into making him a martyr but everyone thinks that it was overblown. Personally i don't care that he died. Why would i? This was a guy whose political positions were making life harder for anyone like me. I live like he asked (eg; not letting empathy come in the way of gun ownership). After all some gun deaths are acceptable to keep the 2nd amendment. Charlie Kirk isn't just a meme for the right. He lives on as a meme for the left. A year later, a poster is talking about a statue like Republicans just passed a Trans Exclusion Act in memory of Charlie Kirk. Somebody else said the widow didn't care that he died. Just move on, and say "who cares" if somebody makes a statue. I get the mocking of certain right-wing types, but I don't get making yourself into a parody of what right-wingers think leftists are at heart.
There have been multiple laws bearing his name:
https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-laws-free-speech-1ef2e977c5cec05c8b521c38dce57443
Some of them are for making sure that shoving religion down the throats of children is enshrined in the law, some of them are so students are banned from doing disruptive walk outs.
As usual, you think you are being clever but your tribe is way ahead of you with their authoritarian tendencies.
He hasn't been mentioned by any of the lefties in this thread except when we had to defend ourselves from your ilk lying about us "celebrating" his death, it's a you guys thing.
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On July 17 2026 00:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2026 00:21 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2026 23:55 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:13 Jankisa wrote:
By all extents and proposes he was "martyred" because a guy who was dating a Trans girl was fed up by him constantly shitting on Trans people. The key element is actually killing the guy because you thought his speech was so hateful towards trans people. I have enough shared humanity in my perspective to not feel the need to shit on his beliefs a year after he was murdered for them. It's a statue, not the Charlie Kirk Memorial Act for Transgender Exclusion and Establishing Religion. Why? Do his beliefs become less shit after a year? Hopefully you can call it a shitty Charlie Kirk statue and not a anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster statue after he's been dead a year. I never said the statue was those things. I said that Charlie Kirk was those things. Because he was. And he will forever be known as those things, just like how Hitler was a Nazi and how Trump is a rapist and fascist. We don't stop describing people accurately just because they die or have a statue erected in their honor. I replied to somebody who did say those things. So feel free to reply to that post, or express a comment on my post's content (what I am hopeful about).
On July 17 2026 00:39 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2026 00:21 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2026 23:55 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:13 Jankisa wrote:
By all extents and proposes he was "martyred" because a guy who was dating a Trans girl was fed up by him constantly shitting on Trans people. The key element is actually killing the guy because you thought his speech was so hateful towards trans people. I have enough shared humanity in my perspective to not feel the need to shit on his beliefs a year after he was murdered for them. It's a statue, not the Charlie Kirk Memorial Act for Transgender Exclusion and Establishing Religion. Why? Do his beliefs become less shit after a year? Hopefully you can call it a shitty Charlie Kirk statue and not a anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster statue after he's been dead a year. Just in the interest of moving beyond the person who agrees with you and also thought he should die for it. See Rule #1 for martyrs. On July 16 2026 23:59 Luolis wrote:On July 16 2026 21:44 dyhb wrote:Spoken like the only good ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster is a dead ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster. Give it a rest for fuck’s sake, you’ve already made him a martyr. Funnily enough, Charlie Kirk's legacy is becoming a meme. Partly because the right wing tried really hard into making him a martyr but everyone thinks that it was overblown. Personally i don't care that he died. Why would i? This was a guy whose political positions were making life harder for anyone like me. I live like he asked (eg; not letting empathy come in the way of gun ownership). After all some gun deaths are acceptable to keep the 2nd amendment. Charlie Kirk isn't just a meme for the right. He lives on as a meme for the left. A year later, a poster is talking about a statue like Republicans just passed a Trans Exclusion Act in memory of Charlie Kirk. Somebody else said the widow didn't care that he died. Just move on, and say "who cares" if somebody makes a statue. I get the mocking of certain right-wing types, but I don't get making yourself into a parody of what right-wingers think leftists are at heart. There have been multiple laws bearing his name: https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-laws-free-speech-1ef2e977c5cec05c8b521c38dce57443Some of them are for making sure that shoving religion down the throats of children is enshrined in the law, some of them are so students are banned from doing disruptive walk outs. As usual, you think you are being clever but your tribe is way ahead of you with their authoritarian tendencies. He hasn't been mentioned by any of the lefties in this thread except when we had to defend ourselves from your ilk lying about us "celebrating" his death, it's a you guys thing. I'm sorry, did the statue pass those laws? Does moving on from reactions, like demonstrated against the statue, change anything about your perspective regarding those laws? Can you continue the rest of your post with somebody that thinks you are "celebrating" his death? You're tilting after so many windmills that I think you deserve a break.
On July 17 2026 00:37 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2026 00:21 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2026 23:55 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:13 Jankisa wrote:
By all extents and proposes he was "martyred" because a guy who was dating a Trans girl was fed up by him constantly shitting on Trans people. The key element is actually killing the guy because you thought his speech was so hateful towards trans people. I have enough shared humanity in my perspective to not feel the need to shit on his beliefs a year after he was murdered for them. It's a statue, not the Charlie Kirk Memorial Act for Transgender Exclusion and Establishing Religion. Why? Do his beliefs become less shit after a year? Hopefully you can call it a shitty Charlie Kirk statue and not a anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster statue after he's been dead a year. Just in the interest of moving beyond the person who agrees with you and also thought he should die for it. See Rule #1 for martyrs. On July 16 2026 23:59 Luolis wrote:On July 16 2026 21:44 dyhb wrote:Spoken like the only good ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster is a dead ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster. Give it a rest for fuck’s sake, you’ve already made him a martyr. Funnily enough, Charlie Kirk's legacy is becoming a meme. Partly because the right wing tried really hard into making him a martyr but everyone thinks that it was overblown. Personally i don't care that he died. Why would i? This was a guy whose political positions were making life harder for anyone like me. I live like he asked (eg; not letting empathy come in the way of gun ownership). After all some gun deaths are acceptable to keep the 2nd amendment. Charlie Kirk isn't just a meme for the right. He lives on as a meme for the left. A year later, a poster is talking about a statue like Republicans just passed a Trans Exclusion Act in memory of Charlie Kirk. Somebody else said the widow didn't care that he died. Just move on, and say "who cares" if somebody makes a statue. I get the mocking of certain right-wing types, but I don't get making yourself into a parody of what right-wingers think leftists are at heart. Oh Charlie Kirk absolutely gets clowned on by the majority of people, not just the left. I'd argue a big reason for this is that its a counter movement to the right trying so desperately into making him a martyr. His wife is a funny topic because she doesn't really act like a person who is grieving. Like 2 weeks after his death she was parading around like a pro wrestler. I don't really know what the parody thing is supposed to be. At worst i'm treating Charlie Kirk with the civility he would treat me. He didn't graduate college, but went to college campuses to argue with college students about politics and culture. He deserved to be clowned upon. But somebody also killed him for his beliefs.
So taking the news story of his statue to dance on his grave once again is revealing your own character and not his. Attacking his widow for how she showed her grief many months ago is the same thing. The meme of the left fringe is a perpetually aggrieved loser that is fueled by hate. This is fodder for the meme. A statue should elicit a "who cares" and a widow "yeah its sad that she lost her husband and her kids their father, but the celebration of life was pretty uncouth/crude." I don't want him to be a martyr, and I don't think you're helping the case against.
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Haha, buddy, we are all collectively very sorry for making fun of your late idol.
I should have recognized the "elite debating skills" a long time ago, very sorry for your loss chief.
You fit right in as a Charlie Kirk superfan with our other resident clown, the Tucker Carlson superfan.
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Talking about whether a person deserves a statue is something only loser chuds care about. Let's move on to more important stuff, like whether this cyclosporiasis outbreak should be referred to as "Trumporrhea" or "MAHA blast".
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On July 17 2026 01:31 Jankisa wrote:
Haha, buddy, we are all collectively very sorry for making fun of your late idol.
I should have recognized the "elite debating skills" a long time ago, very sorry for your loss chief.
You fit right in as a Charlie Kirk superfan with our other resident clown, the Tucker Carlson superfan. I hope you find the person that thinks he had “elite debating skills” or was an “idol,” and really give him a piece of your mind. It sucks that you’re stuck arguing with him or her in absentia. Don’t work up too much of a sweat tilting after windmills.
On July 17 2026 01:41 LightSpectra wrote:Let's move on... You got to the right conclusion, regardless of the path.
+ Show Spoiler [thepath] +Wrap-up LightSpectra, Jankisa, PoulsenB, DarkPlasmaBall multiple choice:
A Charlie Kirk statue is erected, but a poster has trouble with that name. He has to call it anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster statue instead. Somebody says to give it a rest, stop making him a martyr, and move on.
Do you,
a) Say the widow didn't care that he died.
b) Say the widow cared because of the resulting fame and money.
c) Deflect to crypto right wingers.
d) Bring up Gaza-Israel.
e) Conflate moving on with a valiant defense of the views themselves.
f) Say that Charlie Kirk condoned murdering Charlie Kirk.
g) Deflect to an imputed "tribe"
h) Conflate moving on with praising Kirk's debating skills and making him an idol
i) Conflate moving on with whether he deserved a statue or not
Guys ... just relax, let it go. He's dead and buried. There's plenty of other living people with objectionable beliefs to be mad about on the internet. (a) through (i) is already a leftist meme and reminding everyone of it a year later sustains the meme.
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On July 17 2026 00:41 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2026 00:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 17 2026 00:21 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2026 23:55 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:13 Jankisa wrote:
By all extents and proposes he was "martyred" because a guy who was dating a Trans girl was fed up by him constantly shitting on Trans people. The key element is actually killing the guy because you thought his speech was so hateful towards trans people. I have enough shared humanity in my perspective to not feel the need to shit on his beliefs a year after he was murdered for them. It's a statue, not the Charlie Kirk Memorial Act for Transgender Exclusion and Establishing Religion. Why? Do his beliefs become less shit after a year? Hopefully you can call it a shitty Charlie Kirk statue and not a anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster statue after he's been dead a year. I never said the statue was those things. I said that Charlie Kirk was those things. Because he was. And he will forever be known as those things, just like how Hitler was a Nazi and how Trump is a rapist and fascist. We don't stop describing people accurately just because they die or have a statue erected in their honor. I replied to somebody who did say those things. So feel free to reply to that post, or express a comment on my post's content (what I am hopeful about). Show nested quote +On July 17 2026 00:39 Jankisa wrote:On July 17 2026 00:21 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2026 23:55 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:13 Jankisa wrote:
By all extents and proposes he was "martyred" because a guy who was dating a Trans girl was fed up by him constantly shitting on Trans people. The key element is actually killing the guy because you thought his speech was so hateful towards trans people. I have enough shared humanity in my perspective to not feel the need to shit on his beliefs a year after he was murdered for them. It's a statue, not the Charlie Kirk Memorial Act for Transgender Exclusion and Establishing Religion. Why? Do his beliefs become less shit after a year? Hopefully you can call it a shitty Charlie Kirk statue and not a anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster statue after he's been dead a year. Just in the interest of moving beyond the person who agrees with you and also thought he should die for it. See Rule #1 for martyrs. On July 16 2026 23:59 Luolis wrote:On July 16 2026 21:44 dyhb wrote:Spoken like the only good ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster is a dead ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster. Give it a rest for fuck’s sake, you’ve already made him a martyr. Funnily enough, Charlie Kirk's legacy is becoming a meme. Partly because the right wing tried really hard into making him a martyr but everyone thinks that it was overblown. Personally i don't care that he died. Why would i? This was a guy whose political positions were making life harder for anyone like me. I live like he asked (eg; not letting empathy come in the way of gun ownership). After all some gun deaths are acceptable to keep the 2nd amendment. Charlie Kirk isn't just a meme for the right. He lives on as a meme for the left. A year later, a poster is talking about a statue like Republicans just passed a Trans Exclusion Act in memory of Charlie Kirk. Somebody else said the widow didn't care that he died. Just move on, and say "who cares" if somebody makes a statue. I get the mocking of certain right-wing types, but I don't get making yourself into a parody of what right-wingers think leftists are at heart. There have been multiple laws bearing his name: https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-laws-free-speech-1ef2e977c5cec05c8b521c38dce57443Some of them are for making sure that shoving religion down the throats of children is enshrined in the law, some of them are so students are banned from doing disruptive walk outs. As usual, you think you are being clever but your tribe is way ahead of you with their authoritarian tendencies. He hasn't been mentioned by any of the lefties in this thread except when we had to defend ourselves from your ilk lying about us "celebrating" his death, it's a you guys thing. I'm sorry, did the statue pass those laws? Does moving on from reactions, like demonstrated against the statue, change anything about your perspective regarding those laws? Can you continue the rest of your post with somebody that thinks you are "celebrating" his death? You're tilting after so many windmills that I think you deserve a break. Show nested quote +On July 17 2026 00:37 Luolis wrote:On July 17 2026 00:21 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2026 23:55 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:13 Jankisa wrote:
By all extents and proposes he was "martyred" because a guy who was dating a Trans girl was fed up by him constantly shitting on Trans people. The key element is actually killing the guy because you thought his speech was so hateful towards trans people. I have enough shared humanity in my perspective to not feel the need to shit on his beliefs a year after he was murdered for them. It's a statue, not the Charlie Kirk Memorial Act for Transgender Exclusion and Establishing Religion. Why? Do his beliefs become less shit after a year? Hopefully you can call it a shitty Charlie Kirk statue and not a anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster statue after he's been dead a year. Just in the interest of moving beyond the person who agrees with you and also thought he should die for it. See Rule #1 for martyrs. On July 16 2026 23:59 Luolis wrote:On July 16 2026 21:44 dyhb wrote:Spoken like the only good ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster is a dead ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster. Give it a rest for fuck’s sake, you’ve already made him a martyr. Funnily enough, Charlie Kirk's legacy is becoming a meme. Partly because the right wing tried really hard into making him a martyr but everyone thinks that it was overblown. Personally i don't care that he died. Why would i? This was a guy whose political positions were making life harder for anyone like me. I live like he asked (eg; not letting empathy come in the way of gun ownership). After all some gun deaths are acceptable to keep the 2nd amendment. Charlie Kirk isn't just a meme for the right. He lives on as a meme for the left. A year later, a poster is talking about a statue like Republicans just passed a Trans Exclusion Act in memory of Charlie Kirk. Somebody else said the widow didn't care that he died. Just move on, and say "who cares" if somebody makes a statue. I get the mocking of certain right-wing types, but I don't get making yourself into a parody of what right-wingers think leftists are at heart. Oh Charlie Kirk absolutely gets clowned on by the majority of people, not just the left. I'd argue a big reason for this is that its a counter movement to the right trying so desperately into making him a martyr. His wife is a funny topic because she doesn't really act like a person who is grieving. Like 2 weeks after his death she was parading around like a pro wrestler. I don't really know what the parody thing is supposed to be. At worst i'm treating Charlie Kirk with the civility he would treat me. He didn't graduate college, but went to college campuses to argue with college students about politics and culture. He deserved to be clowned upon. But somebody also killed him for his beliefs. So taking the news story of his statue to dance on his grave once again is revealing your own character and not his. Attacking his widow for how she showed her grief many months ago is the same thing. The meme of the left fringe is a perpetually aggrieved loser that is fueled by hate. This is fodder for the meme. A statue should elicit a "who cares" and a widow "yeah its sad that she lost her husband and her kids their father, but the celebration of life was pretty uncouth/crude." I don't want him to be a martyr, and I don't think you're helping the case against.
I mean again, i just dont really care that Charlie Kirk died, simple as that. If you think that is dancing on his grave, then sure i guess?
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On July 17 2026 01:46 dyhb wrote:
You got to the right conclusion, regardless of the path.
lol, I guess I wasn't clear enough that I was mocking your "caring about this is dumb, I'm only replying because you're the dumb one for caring so much" nonsense.
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On July 17 2026 02:06 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2026 00:41 dyhb wrote:Spoken like the only good ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster is a dead ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster. Give it a rest for fuck’s sake, you’ve already made him a martyr. Funnily enough, Charlie Kirk's legacy is becoming a meme. Partly because the right wing tried really hard into making him a martyr but everyone thinks that it was overblown. Personally i don't care that he died. Why would i? This was a guy whose political positions were making life harder for anyone like me. I live like he asked (eg; not letting empathy come in the way of gun ownership). After all some gun deaths are acceptable to keep the 2nd amendment. Charlie Kirk isn't just a meme for the right. He lives on as a meme for the left. A year later, a poster is talking about a statue like Republicans just passed a Trans Exclusion Act in memory of Charlie Kirk. Somebody else said the widow didn't care that he died. Just move on, and say "who cares" if somebody makes a statue. I get the mocking of certain right-wing types, but I don't get making yourself into a parody of what right-wingers think leftists are at heart. Oh Charlie Kirk absolutely gets clowned on by the majority of people, not just the left. I'd argue a big reason for this is that its a counter movement to the right trying so desperately into making him a martyr. His wife is a funny topic because she doesn't really act like a person who is grieving. Like 2 weeks after his death she was parading around like a pro wrestler. I don't really know what the parody thing is supposed to be. At worst i'm treating Charlie Kirk with the civility he would treat me. He didn't graduate college, but went to college campuses to argue with college students about politics and culture. He deserved to be clowned upon. But somebody also killed him for his beliefs. So taking the news story of his statue to dance on his grave once again is revealing your own character and not his. Attacking his widow for how she showed her grief many months ago is the same thing. The meme of the left fringe is a perpetually aggrieved loser that is fueled by hate. This is fodder for the meme. A statue should elicit a "who cares" and a widow "yeah its sad that she lost her husband and her kids their father, but the celebration of life was pretty uncouth/crude." I don't want him to be a martyr, and I don't think you're helping the case against. I mean again, i just dont really care that Charlie Kirk died, simple as that. If you think that is dancing on his grave, then sure i guess? You probably saw that I replied to someone else that cared enough to list a tirade about a news story of a statue, so you don't actually have to join with him after you've examined your opinion. I think it sort of sustains the leftist meme/making a martyr out of him by renewing the venom like he will be bodily resurrected in the form of a statue two months from now.
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On July 16 2026 23:07 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2026 22:42 Jankisa wrote:On July 16 2026 22:29 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 22:11 Jankisa wrote:
LMAO, now dyhb is basically accusing DPB (and I'm guessing everyone else who wasn't weeping for this POS) of martyring CK, hilarious.
The "I'm centrist representing most Americans but I somehow I spend all of my time defending Trump and his policies" guy who's favorite word is hysteria is basically accusing everyone to the left of him of murdering a podcaster. It's a little on the nose to have some right-winger die in a political assassination, and a year later the only thing you can say is "an ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster." Oh, and his widow didn't care. Oh, and if you find those takes objectionable about a statue, you're definitely a Trumper. Stop being such a walking parody. I very specifically noted the things that make you a crypto right winger buddy, none of them had to do anything with your valiant defense of the racist sexist podcaster. Also I called the guy all of those things on the day of the assassination, basically because he was all of those things, with quotes. Nothing more distasteful then fake outrage, especially coming from the guy known for gleefully explaining how murdering 8 and 11 year old boys for stepping over an imaginary line is A-OK. Nothing says "valiant defense" like maybe show less visceral hate for his beliefs a year after he was martyred for them. That's like Rule #1 about political martyrs: be more like "who cares" about a statue, than anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster + Show Spoiler +or his widow didn't care at all... or how dare you say I should give it a rest, that's asking me to cry over him!... .
Wait, why?
Christian Nationalism, White Supremacy and Transgender Fearmongering are pretty solid beliefs to hate regardless of who died and when.
I mean yeah theoretically CK was a human with humanity at some point, but I/we never were really exposed to it. If someone is erecting a statue for CK, it's safe to assume it isn't for his humanity but for his political ideals. Seems like as good a time as any to shout them down.
If Trump died, there wouldn't be a grace period where it wasn't safe to talk shit about Government Corruption.
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On July 17 2026 00:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2026 00:21 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2026 23:55 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:13 Jankisa wrote:
By all extents and proposes he was "martyred" because a guy who was dating a Trans girl was fed up by him constantly shitting on Trans people. The key element is actually killing the guy because you thought his speech was so hateful towards trans people. I have enough shared humanity in my perspective to not feel the need to shit on his beliefs a year after he was murdered for them. It's a statue, not the Charlie Kirk Memorial Act for Transgender Exclusion and Establishing Religion. Why? Do his beliefs become less shit after a year? Hopefully you can call it a shitty Charlie Kirk statue and not a anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster statue after he's been dead a year. I never said the statue was those things. I said that Charlie Kirk was those things. Because he was. And he will forever be known as those things, just like how Hitler was a Nazi and how Trump is a rapist and fascist. We don't stop describing people accurately just because they die or have a statue erected in their honor.
Charlie Kirk is one of your Big Three with Hitler and Trump?
Why'd this artist Sergio Furnari not go in for a Hitler statue then, any knowledge of that? Or any guesses? (Remembering who brought this up.)
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On July 17 2026 02:26 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2026 00:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 17 2026 00:21 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2026 23:55 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:13 Jankisa wrote:
By all extents and proposes he was "martyred" because a guy who was dating a Trans girl was fed up by him constantly shitting on Trans people. The key element is actually killing the guy because you thought his speech was so hateful towards trans people. I have enough shared humanity in my perspective to not feel the need to shit on his beliefs a year after he was murdered for them. It's a statue, not the Charlie Kirk Memorial Act for Transgender Exclusion and Establishing Religion. Why? Do his beliefs become less shit after a year? Hopefully you can call it a shitty Charlie Kirk statue and not a anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster statue after he's been dead a year. I never said the statue was those things. I said that Charlie Kirk was those things. Because he was. And he will forever be known as those things, just like how Hitler was a Nazi and how Trump is a rapist and fascist. We don't stop describing people accurately just because they die or have a statue erected in their honor. Charlie Kirk is one of your Big Three with Hitler and Trump? Why'd this artist Sergio Furnari not go in for a Hitler statue then, any knowledge of that? Or any guesses? (Remembering who brought this up.)
I gotta admit i just felt bad for you.
I am not sure what's worse in this case: your inability to read and understand such a simple argument where it's pretty clear that no one is comparing Charlie to Hitler, or the possibility that you are doing it on purpose, wasting your time writing such utter nonsense as a comeback.
Either way answering you is like beating a baby seal. It's just sad because of how stupid your argumentative skills are.
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The funniest part of this is how shitty the statue looks:
Well, that and the fact that the artist and our resident clowns all reacted very similarly to people pointing out the shitty nature of the subject and / or the statue.
Edit: Oh god, just red this guy's wiki page.
It's like a timeline of someone's brain being broken by COVID and right wing politics.
The dude gained prominence with a genuinely cool statue:
He then has a short stint making one for first responders and such, couldn't find the image, but in 2025 he re-emerges to celebrate another shit person:
It's really fun to see how your artistic ability seems to fade along with empathy when the right wing spiral occurs.
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There's a lifelessness in that statue's eyes you typically only see in Eastern European gay porn stars.
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On July 17 2026 02:45 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2026 02:26 oBlade wrote:On July 17 2026 00:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 17 2026 00:21 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2026 23:55 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:13 Jankisa wrote:
By all extents and proposes he was "martyred" because a guy who was dating a Trans girl was fed up by him constantly shitting on Trans people. The key element is actually killing the guy because you thought his speech was so hateful towards trans people. I have enough shared humanity in my perspective to not feel the need to shit on his beliefs a year after he was murdered for them. It's a statue, not the Charlie Kirk Memorial Act for Transgender Exclusion and Establishing Religion. Why? Do his beliefs become less shit after a year? Hopefully you can call it a shitty Charlie Kirk statue and not a anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster statue after he's been dead a year. I never said the statue was those things. I said that Charlie Kirk was those things. Because he was. And he will forever be known as those things, just like how Hitler was a Nazi and how Trump is a rapist and fascist. We don't stop describing people accurately just because they die or have a statue erected in their honor. Charlie Kirk is one of your Big Three with Hitler and Trump? Why'd this artist Sergio Furnari not go in for a Hitler statue then, any knowledge of that? Or any guesses? (Remembering who brought this up.) I gotta admit i just felt bad for you. I am not sure what's worse in this case: your inability to read and understand such a simple argument where it's pretty clear that no one is comparing Charlie to Hitler, or the possibility that you are doing it on purpose, wasting your time writing such utter nonsense as a comeback. Either way answering you is like beating a baby seal. It's just sad because of how stupid your argumentative skills are.
I'm pretty sure for DPB Charlie Kirk is a lot closer to Hitler than he is to DPB. Either way, you aren't DPB. You saw a question for someone else and didn't answer it. Meaning you didn't even bother to beat the baby seal. Reactionists with no particular principles continue to be so threatened that they mistake simple questions directed at other people for "arguments."
You know one time my grandfather threw a glass across the room, I don't start every story about and mention of him prefacing it with him being the Across-The-Room-Glass-Thrower no matter how accurate I think it is. If I did it would be a sign of needing help. In fact we had moved on by the very next day.
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On July 17 2026 03:06 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2026 02:45 Godwrath wrote:On July 17 2026 02:26 oBlade wrote:On July 17 2026 00:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 17 2026 00:21 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:56 Gorsameth wrote:On July 16 2026 23:55 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 23:13 Jankisa wrote:
By all extents and proposes he was "martyred" because a guy who was dating a Trans girl was fed up by him constantly shitting on Trans people. The key element is actually killing the guy because you thought his speech was so hateful towards trans people. I have enough shared humanity in my perspective to not feel the need to shit on his beliefs a year after he was murdered for them. It's a statue, not the Charlie Kirk Memorial Act for Transgender Exclusion and Establishing Religion. Why? Do his beliefs become less shit after a year? Hopefully you can call it a shitty Charlie Kirk statue and not a anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster statue after he's been dead a year. I never said the statue was those things. I said that Charlie Kirk was those things. Because he was. And he will forever be known as those things, just like how Hitler was a Nazi and how Trump is a rapist and fascist. We don't stop describing people accurately just because they die or have a statue erected in their honor. Charlie Kirk is one of your Big Three with Hitler and Trump? Why'd this artist Sergio Furnari not go in for a Hitler statue then, any knowledge of that? Or any guesses? (Remembering who brought this up.) I gotta admit i just felt bad for you. I am not sure what's worse in this case: your inability to read and understand such a simple argument where it's pretty clear that no one is comparing Charlie to Hitler, or the possibility that you are doing it on purpose, wasting your time writing such utter nonsense as a comeback. Either way answering you is like beating a baby seal. It's just sad because of how stupid your argumentative skills are. I'm pretty sure for DPB Charlie Kirk is a lot closer to Hitler than he is to DPB. Either way, you aren't DPB. You saw a question for someone else and didn't answer it. Meaning you didn't even bother to beat the baby seal. Reactionists with no particular principles continue to be so threatened that they mistake simple questions directed at other people for "arguments." You know one time my grandfather threw a glass across the room, I don't start every story about and mention of him prefacing it with him being the Across-The-Room-Glass-Thrower no matter how accurate I think it is. If I did it would be a sign of needing help. In fact we had moved on by the very next day.
You are just assuming, that's not what his words said. Take the hint, and don't double down on that shit. Ain't going to debate with you senseless crap in an attempt to distort the words that someone else said.
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On July 17 2026 02:26 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2026 23:07 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 22:42 Jankisa wrote:On July 16 2026 22:29 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 22:11 Jankisa wrote:
LMAO, now dyhb is basically accusing DPB (and I'm guessing everyone else who wasn't weeping for this POS) of martyring CK, hilarious.
The "I'm centrist representing most Americans but I somehow I spend all of my time defending Trump and his policies" guy who's favorite word is hysteria is basically accusing everyone to the left of him of murdering a podcaster. It's a little on the nose to have some right-winger die in a political assassination, and a year later the only thing you can say is "an ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster." Oh, and his widow didn't care. Oh, and if you find those takes objectionable about a statue, you're definitely a Trumper. Stop being such a walking parody. I very specifically noted the things that make you a crypto right winger buddy, none of them had to do anything with your valiant defense of the racist sexist podcaster. Also I called the guy all of those things on the day of the assassination, basically because he was all of those things, with quotes. Nothing more distasteful then fake outrage, especially coming from the guy known for gleefully explaining how murdering 8 and 11 year old boys for stepping over an imaginary line is A-OK. Nothing says "valiant defense" like maybe show less visceral hate for his beliefs a year after he was martyred for them. That's like Rule #1 about political martyrs: be more like "who cares" about a statue, than anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster + Show Spoiler +or his widow didn't care at all... or how dare you say I should give it a rest, that's asking me to cry over him!... . Wait, why? Christian Nationalism, White Supremacy and Transgender Fearmongering are pretty solid beliefs to hate regardless of who died and when. I mean yeah theoretically CK was a human with humanity at some point, but I/we never were really exposed to it. If someone is erecting a statue for CK, it's safe to assume it isn't for his humanity but for his political ideals. Seems like as good a time as any to shout them down. If Trump died, there wouldn't be a grace period where it wasn't safe to talk shit about Government Corruption. I'm not actually willing to regardless of who died and when when it's literally a statue to a guy that died, and I also regard I mean yeah theoretically CK was a human with humanity at some point as missing that point that shared humanity is shown by ourselves to others. It's an 'us' attribute, not a 'him' attribute. I also know of a person that set aside the theoretical point that "CK was a human with humanity at some point," and it was Tyler James Robinson with a rifle. It's really a core point about regarding the person as being part of shared humanity and not just a non-human/sub-human avatar of political beliefs. It ties in so deeply to why it was wrong to kill him. It's like asking the gunman to aim at the "Christian Nationalism, White Supremacy and Transgender Fearmongering," and we're all disappointed that he missed and hit Charlie Kirk's neck and killed the man instead of the other things.
I could go on with whether it's "safe to assume," and art-artist distinction, and whether you can "shout them down" at a statue, and how people give away the power of their own moral conduct to others, but that's probably digressing even farther from my original point. Just let go and move on and mock the clowns if you wish.
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On July 17 2026 03:19 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2026 02:26 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 16 2026 23:07 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 22:42 Jankisa wrote:On July 16 2026 22:29 dyhb wrote:On July 16 2026 22:11 Jankisa wrote:
LMAO, now dyhb is basically accusing DPB (and I'm guessing everyone else who wasn't weeping for this POS) of martyring CK, hilarious.
The "I'm centrist representing most Americans but I somehow I spend all of my time defending Trump and his policies" guy who's favorite word is hysteria is basically accusing everyone to the left of him of murdering a podcaster. It's a little on the nose to have some right-winger die in a political assassination, and a year later the only thing you can say is "an ignorant, bigoted, Christian nationalist, white supremacist podcaster." Oh, and his widow didn't care. Oh, and if you find those takes objectionable about a statue, you're definitely a Trumper. Stop being such a walking parody. I very specifically noted the things that make you a crypto right winger buddy, none of them had to do anything with your valiant defense of the racist sexist podcaster. Also I called the guy all of those things on the day of the assassination, basically because he was all of those things, with quotes. Nothing more distasteful then fake outrage, especially coming from the guy known for gleefully explaining how murdering 8 and 11 year old boys for stepping over an imaginary line is A-OK. Nothing says "valiant defense" like maybe show less visceral hate for his beliefs a year after he was martyred for them. That's like Rule #1 about political martyrs: be more like "who cares" about a statue, than anignorantbigotedChristiannationalistwhitesupremacistpodcaster + Show Spoiler +or his widow didn't care at all... or how dare you say I should give it a rest, that's asking me to cry over him!... . Wait, why? Christian Nationalism, White Supremacy and Transgender Fearmongering are pretty solid beliefs to hate regardless of who died and when. I mean yeah theoretically CK was a human with humanity at some point, but I/we never were really exposed to it. If someone is erecting a statue for CK, it's safe to assume it isn't for his humanity but for his political ideals. Seems like as good a time as any to shout them down. If Trump died, there wouldn't be a grace period where it wasn't safe to talk shit about Government Corruption. I'm not actually willing to regardless of who died and when when it's literally a statue to a guy that died, and I also regard I mean yeah theoretically CK was a human with humanity at some point as missing that point that shared humanity is shown by ourselves to others. It's an 'us' attribute, not a 'him' attribute. I also know of a person that set aside the theoretical point that "CK was a human with humanity at some point," and it was Tyler James Robinson with a rifle. It's really a core point about regarding the person as being part of shared humanity and not just a non-human/sub-human avatar of political beliefs. It ties in so deeply to why it was wrong to kill him. It's like asking the gunman to aim at the "Christian Nationalism, White Supremacy and Transgender Fearmongering," and we're all disappointed that he missed and hit Charlie Kirk's neck and killed the man instead of the other things. I could go on with whether it's "safe to assume," and art-artist distinction, and whether you can "shout them down" at a statue, and how people give away the power of their own moral conduct to others, but that's probably digressing even farther from my original point. Just let go and move on and mock the clowns if you wish.
They have to keep the memory of what they think is the worst part alive otherwise there's nothing to dehumanize. Which is the whole hobby.
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Once again, Charlie Kirk thought empathy is a sin. You're actually disrespecting his beliefs and legacy by appealing to the "shared humanity" that Kirk spent his life trying to debunk.
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