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FlaShFTW
United States10528 Posts
On January 07 2021 11:30 Nevuk wrote: Reports are now trickling in that definitely confirm that Trump refused to call the guard for a long time. No one seems to have confirmed the Pence rumors. Here's one via wapo. And haberman (There are a lot of sources for this) Impeachment doesnt matter anymore since hes out of office on the 20th but holy fucking shit this is some serious shit. | ||
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hiro protagonist
1294 Posts
On January 07 2021 06:00 hiro protagonist wrote: He is just preparing to have the @POTUS account for the next 14 days Called it  | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Pentagon officials speaking to the NYT said Pence gave the order, not Trump, and that they didn't know why the chain of command was altered. It may be that Trump threw a tantrum and said "fine, but he has to do it not me", basically, based on these other reports. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/01/pence-not-trump-activated-the-national-guard-report.html And the og nyt story https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/national-guard-capitol-army.html | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On January 07 2021 11:34 FlaShFTW wrote: Impeachment doesnt matter anymore since hes out of office on the 20th but holy fucking shit this is some serious shit. Well, impeachment does mean that he can't be pardoned for whatever he is impeached for. Even if they invoke the 25th, get Trump removed, and bring federal charges against him, he can still be pardoned by Pence. Pence can even pardon Trump for the crimes he committed before he's even been charged since all the pardon power requires is that a crime has been committed, not that charges for said crime have been brought. | ||
Falling
Canada11583 Posts
On January 07 2021 11:33 plasmidghost wrote: Looks ever more likely that the 25th happens Is that even applicable? I was doing a little reading and it looks like it was made in the wake of the JFK assassination to designate power when the president is dead or disabled (and the VP or they were in between VP's.) Third section, you can tag team someone while you go under (Reagan for surgery, W Bush for anesthesia). The fourth section is if the president is insane. Like, not in the colloquial sense- a great amount of what Trump does could be called nutty as a fruit cake the in the colloquial sense- to borrow Senator Birch Baye's phrase. But, like actual, verifiable, lock you up in the pych ward insanity. That doesn't seem like an alternative to impeachment, but a formalization of the chain of command when the president and/or the VP is physically disabled in some capacity. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46221 Posts
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President. | ||
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greenelve
Germany1392 Posts
On January 07 2021 11:49 Falling wrote: Is that even applicable? I was doing a little reading and it looks like it was made in the wake of the JFK assassination to designate power when the president is dead or disabled (and the VP or they were in between VP's.) Third section, you can tag team someone while you go under (Reagan for surgery, W Bush for anesthesia). The fourth section is if the president is insane. Like, not in the colloquial sense- a great amount of what Trump does could be called nutty as a fruit cake the in the colloquial sense- to borrow Senator Birch Baye's phrase. But, like actual, verifiable, lock you up in the pych ward insanity. That doesn't seem like an alternative to impeachment, but a formalization of the chain of command when the president and/or the VP is physically disabled in some capacity. The fourth section is worded in an open way, because as they wrote it, they didnt wanted to restrain it to only the situations they could think of. For example the assasination of JFK, at the time the amendment was added to the rules of who shall be president. The fourth section is talking about things like being insane, but doesnt use that word and leaves it up to the VP and the congress (both) to decide, if the president is still in whatever condition to be in command. For generell information: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/06/25th-amendment-what-know-removing-president/6572157002/ | ||
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Falling
Canada11583 Posts
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/06/25th-amendment-what-know-removing-president/6572157002/ Gerald Ford followed the first two sections of the amendment when becoming Richard Nixon’s vice president after Spiro Agnew resigned and when he become president after Nixon’s resignation. The amendment’s third section, which allows for a president to temporarily cede power and duties to a vice president, was used once after Ronald Reagan underwent surgery in 1985 and similarly when George W. Bush was under anesthesia in 2002 and 2007. The fourth section, a process for removing a president when others believe he is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,” has never been used. When did the author intend the 4th section to be invoked? Late former Sen. Birch Bayh wrote in his book “One Heartbeat Away: Presidential Disability and Succession” that he knew the most controversial aspect of the amendment he authored would be how to handle the rare instances when a president’s team disputed his ability to serve. “You know, fellows, we've talked about this problem a hundred times,” Bayh recounted, telling his aides when they were in the final stages of negotiation. “The only time it would present itself – the only time the president would say 'I'm well and able' and the vice president and cabinet would disagree – would be if the president was as nutty as a fruit cake.” | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10528 Posts
Johnson voted no btw. Interesting. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Falling
Canada11583 Posts
No, I don't disagree. | ||
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States766 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10528 Posts
On January 07 2021 12:11 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: how long is this going to take? no idea, idk why they're waiting so long. Everyone already voted, just say the vote tally and hold taht the objection failed. Should be as simple as that. Only 6 Ayes, I think one person didn't vote. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10528 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10528 Posts
Relevant stream now for the house of rep. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On January 07 2021 12:15 FlaShFTW wrote: Ok so here's where we stand. It failed (duh) and now we're waiting on the House to finish their certification, then we go to a joint session for finalization of the votes. Then we're done... I think.... I'm not an expert in the election process, I just do numbers lol. They could still object to other states. Theres no reason they have to have learned a damn thing from this | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On January 07 2021 11:21 FlaShFTW wrote: Hawley defending his objection by saying this is the proper forum to discuss the election. Hawley claims that this objection is vital to the process. Now moving towards Pennsylvania laws and why PA election was bad. He's harping on the use of mail-in ballots and the rule changes last year. Wait I'm sorry, am I misinterpreting this, are we seeing Republicans DOUBLE DOWN on this election fraud bullshit? | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On January 07 2021 12:55 Zambrah wrote: Wait I'm sorry, am I misinterpreting this, are we seeing Republicans DOUBLE DOWN on this election fraud bullshit? Oh most certainly. Matt Gaetz still wants to reject the electors and said in his speech that the people who stormed the capitol are actually antifa. Then he got an applause. | ||
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