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On January 07 2021 09:51 Neneu wrote: I have one question for you Danglars. Do you still believe that Trump weren't serious/able about trying to get a third term (assuming he had won his second) ? Great to see that you finally have had a change of heart and are seeing the fascist for what he is.
I don't know if he was serious about the third, fourth, fifth, and infinite. I can't read his mind. That's for your "serious." For your able: I don't think he would be able to do so. He is able to inspire some number of hundreds people protesting at the Capitol building to violently barge in against police.
Psychologists, tell me how serious this tweet is
The lawsuits and whining isn't fascism (Hence, Clinton wasn't fascist, neither Abrams, nor Boxer, nor Kerry). Politicians do that from both parties (again, not in as many numbers as we see today) every election. The pressure on state leaders and legislatures and Congress and the Vice President to change the vote is. The continued encouragement and demands for the vote to be changed is.
On January 07 2021 10:01 Starlightsun wrote: Desantis, Introvert, really? Dude is a massive asshole and Trump wannabe.
lol, you're memory is outdated from primary season 2018. The quality that gets him noticed is when he forcefully pushes back on reporters, a trait Trump had, but executed...poorly. Like him or not he has governed as a serious executive, doing the things he promised to do, and apparently can't be cowed into reversing course on things. He is NOT a Trump wannabe, that much is obvious 2 years later. Hell, he can even say he helped make Florida an even better state in terms of elections.
But this is way too early, I only give him as a hypothetical example, though admittedly he is my favorite at the moment (still very early, again).
Is it a requirement to be hardcore science denialist to be a potential GOP leader these days?
I am starting worry a little about Trump and you know he is sitting there scathing. With everyone pretty much abandoning him for one reason or another who is going to check him. He still has 14 days
On January 07 2021 10:17 Shingi11 wrote: I am starting worry a little about Trump and you know he is sitting there scathing. With everyone pretty much abandoning him for one reason or another who is going to check him. He still has 14 days
I wonder if there's any chance that they invoke the 25th Amendment and remove him from office, creating a temporary President Pence.
I have no fondness for the efforts to shame you into compliance or whatever it is. It really is not what your country needs right now.
I actually entirely disagree here. I don't think people try to force him into compliance, they try to force him to actually reflect. The reason he gets hammered on is despite this entire shit show, he still goes back to whataboutism, talking about how bad Clinton was and how she deserved to lose and whatnot.
This "piling on" is entirely of his own making by refusing to accept that trump was a mistake, and that it was ALWAYS obvious.
I bet you the second people actually would for a split second believe that he thinks Trump was a mistake (which he doesn't), people would slow down "the pilening".
He doesn't think Trump was a mistake against Hillary, but he admitted several pages ago that retrospectively, Trump was a mistake against Biden.
.. and it doesn't sound odd to you, at all?
"I'm okay with the obviously insane person winning against Hillary, but now that the obviously insane person is losing, now it's a mistake - only that part though"?
I'm sorry. This was always going to happen. People knew BEFORE he was running for president that he's a conman, and living in a different reality. For people a bit slower than the norm, that was immediately obvious straight after the inauguration when he started inventing "facts".
Fact is, trump was always a mistake. There's no "degradation" of trumps mind, this is trump being trump. There's no "it's a mistake now, but wasn't back then".
edit: to be a bit clearer: claiming the necessity of hindsight in regards to trump is stupid. The only point you're making is that you didn't give a shit beforehand. At best. At worst, you were simply okay with it because it was "your team winning".
It's a mistake now because he lost, and that's as far as it goes. Danglars would be happily on the Trump train if he won, because he delivers the results. He's described him as one of the best Republican presidents in history in the past because of his seating of conservative judges on the supreme court. All of the things he supported him for in the past are still there, it's just he's now done exactly what we all knew he would and done something so indefensible in defeat that he has to begrudgingly condemn him. Once. And then go back to deflection and the usual Danglars Shuffle.
Back in the day, Democracy meant that judges would craft legislation, and the electorate had to sit on their hands with 9 legislators in black robes. I'm not sorry that Trump was the instrument of a major change in the court. I'm pleased and confirmed in my posts that his justices were the ones throwing out meritless lawsuits from Trump lawyers, much to the constitution of their appointer, Trump (shitposters today may have trouble admitting they predicted his judges would hand Trump the election). That act is a major help in the coming years; where actual disagreements on policy can't only be executive order, bureaucratic department, memorandum, or judges. It's a major, better playing field.
I disagree with all the bad-faith framing and bad assumptions you put in, but at least you sprinkled in some truth. Trump could've sailed out of that White House not tweeting or doing one thing after November, 2020, and he'd have been somewhat successful. Tell me he's a one-term president at the end of 2016, but in exchange, I get 3 originalist judges on the court, and I'd sign that deal any day of the week. Maybe he's only known for his actions in the last two months in office, maybe that's the historical perspective, and still it can't invalidate that simple truth.
If the election was closer I don’t think that was an unfounded fear, given the lack of reining in of Trump from many quarters. On the other hand, judges across the land have shown professionalism and adherence to their duties, which absolutely could have held in such a scenario.
You’ve been spectacularly wrong in your dismissal of the likely and wholly predicable consequences of what we’ve seen in the past 4 years and want to point score on people getting the degrees wrong?
By want of a poor analogy it’s like a meteorologist who predicted sunshine and sweetness, only for it to piss down with rain and start criticising his colleagues for underestimating that day’s rainfall.
We definitely disagree, WombaT. People predicted Trump judges would hand him the election. People predicted he would use the USPS to steal the election. People predicted that a successful coup was possible. Had the thread limited themselves to the whole encouragement to right-wing violence, then I'd have no complaints. But no, it was the year of "mostly peaceful" protests, Antifa is just an idea, who cares about the many more dead from rising crime rates. They can bear a little scrutiny and be forced to pretend they predicted a violent riot inside the Capitol readily encouraged by Trump.
There was no cap on the lunacy, so I'm not affording posters the "Aha! But it wasn't a peaceful transfer of power in the end!" get-out-of-jail-free-card. Redeem it when you don't treat every Trump voter like they were on the steps of the Capitol pushing against police lines. Like, have you read the thread recently rofl.
On January 07 2021 09:40 farvacola wrote: Melania's chief of staff and former WH Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham has resigned in protest of today's events.
This is actually worse because it implies that she had a line and that everything up until now was, for her, acceptable. I genuinely have less of a problem with zealots who would lay down their lives for Trump than people who draw the line here because at least zealots don't pretend to have morality beyond serving the great leader.
I heavily disagree. While I personally think very little of Trump and deem him utterly unfit for his post, I get that people view people closer to them in political opinion more favorable and are more likely to make excuses for their behavior. With mass media being increasingly interested in strong headlines and decreasingly interested in reporting what actually happened it's pretty easy to see how a conservative republican and a left winged democrat can get very different views of the same events.
Storming the capitol while armed however is an act of rebellion and terrorism and there's no way to sugarcoat that.
Remember how everyone was baffled that the police were just standing there for forever and didn't seem to stop anyone? There's video showing cops letting the terrorists in. Pretty much nothing happened until they knew the national guard would be there shortly. The cops in the us are not your friends.
Via Twitter video retweeted by never Trump republican
On January 07 2021 09:40 farvacola wrote: Melania's chief of staff and former WH Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham has resigned in protest of today's events.
This is actually worse because it implies that she had a line and that everything up until now was, for her, acceptable. I genuinely have less of a problem with zealots who would lay down their lives for Trump than people who draw the line here because at least zealots don't pretend to have morality beyond serving the great leader.
I heavily disagree. While I personally think very little of Trump and most of his policies, I get that people view people closer to them in political opinion more favorable and are more likely to make excuses for their behavior. With mass media being increasingly interested in strong headlines and decreasingly interested in reporting what actually happened it's pretty easy to see how a conservative republican and a left winged democrat can get very different views of the same events.
Storming the capitol while armed however is an act of rebellion and terrorism and there's no way to sugarcoat that.
Right, but nothing about Trump changed between yesterday and today. Resigning when he started baselessly calling the election rigged would have been a matter of principle, resigning now is a matter of self-preservation.
On January 07 2021 10:34 Nevuk wrote: Remember how everyone was baffled that the police were just standing there for forever and didn't seem to stop anyone? There's video showing cops letting the terrorists in. Pretty much nothing happened until they knew the national guard would be there shortly. The cops in the us are not your friends.
Via Twitter video retweeted by never Trump republican
I think it is very clear what side police are on which is terrifying. Hopefully this admission will Crack down on them a little. Bring them back from the state sponsored mob they think they are.
On January 07 2021 10:34 Nevuk wrote: Remember how everyone was baffled that the police were just standing there for forever and didn't seem to stop anyone? There's video showing cops letting the terrorists in. Pretty much nothing happened until they knew the national guard would be there shortly. The cops in the us are not your friends.
Via Twitter video retweeted by never Trump republican
On January 07 2021 09:51 Neneu wrote: I have one question for you Danglars. Do you still believe that Trump weren't serious/able about trying to get a third term (assuming he had won his second) ? Great to see that you finally have had a change of heart and are seeing the fascist for what he is.
I still think Trump was trying to stir up as much shit as humanely possible and didn't think it would come to this, and then sail off to whatever media company he thinks would fit his Brand best. His campaign needed to pay off debts and these past two months of election fraud edit* claims! has rolled in hundreds of millions of dollars for that. I dont think he is a fascist, just an opportunist with no shame, and you know the powers of the presidency.
You don't think the guy who openly called for the arrest of his political opponents, required oaths of personal loyalty from the judiciary, had his justice department brand political opponents a terror group and investigate them, assembled an army of brownshirts, refused to leave power, and then attempted to stop the constitutional transfer of power with said army of brownshirts is a fascist?
You know he can be both an opportunist and a fascist, right?
He has displayed tactics or desires that can definitely fit in with dictators and fascists, but at the same time is still held to the confines of being a president of the USA, not Saudi Arabia or China or Russia or whatever. I don't like the way words have been diluted down in the past decade or so. "Fascists, or "antifa terrorists" "white supremacist's", my eyes glaze over at that stuff now. That being said, I nearly drove off the fucking road today listening to the first few hours of this madness.
On January 07 2021 09:51 Neneu wrote: I have one question for you Danglars. Do you still believe that Trump weren't serious/able about trying to get a third term (assuming he had won his second) ? Great to see that you finally have had a change of heart and are seeing the fascist for what he is.
I still think Trump was trying to stir up as much shit as humanely possible and didn't think it would come to this, and then sail off to whatever media company he thinks would fit his Brand best. His campaign needed to pay off debts and these past two months of election fraud edit* claims! has rolled in hundreds of millions of dollars for that. I dont think he is a fascist, just an opportunist with no shame, and you know the powers of the presidency.
Obligatory ‘when is the next video?’
Trump’s simultaneously better than and worse than a card carrying fascist, as a human being and how he’s wired, given he has a total lack of concern for much beyond his own ego and aggrandisement.
Imagine, if you wish to imagine the horror of a Trump who had the actual absolute power of a Kim Jong Un. On the other hand give him an environment where everyone sucks his dick and he can’t do much damage and he won’t strive to do much for any higher purpose.
On January 07 2021 10:34 Nevuk wrote: Remember how everyone was baffled that the police were just standing there for forever and didn't seem to stop anyone? There's video showing cops letting the terrorists in. Pretty much nothing happened until they knew the national guard would be there shortly. The cops in the us are not your friends.
Via Twitter video retweeted by never Trump republican
To be fair, they do that all the time so that the barriers cannot be used as weapons. They did it during the BLM protests as well.
There's something to be said about that one police goon out there taking selfies, however. Still doesn't stop the idea that the police are not your friends.
Its also great to see the great USA have the political stability of a shithole country, as Trump would state.
On January 07 2021 10:34 Nevuk wrote: Remember how everyone was baffled that the police were just standing there for forever and didn't seem to stop anyone? There's video showing cops letting the terrorists in. Pretty much nothing happened until they knew the national guard would be there shortly. The cops in the us are not your friends.
Via Twitter video retweeted by never Trump republican
To be fair, they do that all the time so that the barriers cannot be used as weapons. They did it during the BLM protests as well.
There's something to be said about that one police goon out there taking selfies, however. Still doesn't stop the idea that the police are not your friends.
On January 07 2021 10:48 PhoenixVoid wrote: Amusing to see Loeffler suddenly have a change of heart about objecting to the EC count. A true profile in courage.
She lost her race being mouthpiece for Trump, has to try and pivot if she wants to have a political future.
On January 07 2021 10:48 PhoenixVoid wrote: Amusing to see Loeffler suddenly have a change of heart about objecting to the EC count. A true profile in courage.
She lost her race being mouthpiece for Trump, has to try and pivot if she wants to have a political future.
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