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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
On January 07 2021 09:44 KwarK wrote: This is actually worse because it implies that she had a line and that everything up until now was, for her, acceptable. I genuinely have less of a problem with zealots who would lay down their lives for Trump than people who draw the line here because at least zealots don't pretend to have morality beyond serving the great leader. "So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you from my mouth." | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45351 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26362 Posts
On January 07 2021 09:33 Danglars wrote: Back in the day, Democracy meant that judges would craft legislation, and the electorate had to sit on their hands with 9 legislators in black robes. I'm not sorry that Trump was the instrument of a major change in the court. I'm pleased and confirmed in my posts that his justices were the ones throwing out meritless lawsuits from Trump lawyers, much to the constitution of their appointer, Trump (shitposters today may have trouble admitting they predicted his judges would hand Trump the election). That act is a major help in the coming years; where actual disagreements on policy can't only be executive order, bureaucratic department, memorandum, or judges. It's a major, better playing field. I disagree with all the bad-faith framing and bad assumptions you put in, but at least you sprinkled in some truth. Trump could've sailed out of that White House not tweeting or doing one thing after November, 2020, and he'd have been somewhat successful. Tell me he's a one-term president at the end of 2016, but in exchange, I get 3 originalist judges on the court, and I'd sign that deal any day of the week. Maybe he's only known for his actions in the last two months in office, maybe that's the historical perspective, and still it can't invalidate that simple truth. If the election was closer I don’t think that was an unfounded fear, given the lack of reining in of Trump from many quarters. On the other hand, judges across the land have shown professionalism and adherence to their duties, which absolutely could have held in such a scenario. You’ve been spectacularly wrong in your dismissal of the likely and wholly predicable consequences of what we’ve seen in the past 4 years and want to point score on people getting the degrees wrong? By want of a poor analogy it’s like a meteorologist who predicted sunshine and sweetness, only for it to piss down with rain and start criticising his colleagues for underestimating that day’s rainfall. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45351 Posts
On January 07 2021 09:47 brian wrote: apologies if i missed it during the fray but both GA elections were strong enough for the dems that they CANNOT be subject to recount. i didn’t see that coming for Ossof. That won't stop Republican leaders from crying foul and still pushing for recounts anyway, sadly. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On January 07 2021 09:23 Gorsameth wrote: No idea how reliable this is but Also apparently Pence went over Trump's head and he was the one who called in the national guard. I'm hoping this is real because I am truly afraid of what Trump might do in these next two weeks. In addition to the violence of today he is still quietly rolling back environmental regulations and auctioning away oil drilling rights. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9179 Posts
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Introvert
United States4908 Posts
On January 07 2021 09:48 Husyelt wrote: This is not the end for Trump, he will carry 20-30% of his base going forward into whatever media venture he slurps up to. I do think he will fizzle out year by year up to 2024 and will have a disastrous attempt to run, where even the fringe members of the republicans will be hesitant Since he lost I've thought that he'll pretend to run in 2024 but won't. He'll make life hell for Republican politicians trying to run, but won't get in himself. He's done, and the focus will be on Biden or whoever the Democrats run if Biden declines (the man has been chasing the presidency for decades, he'll only decline if he is quite literally incapable of doing the job). Lots of people will run, and people like DeSantis in Florida will have an impressive resume with an attitude and smarts to match. If Trump REALLY wanted to maybe he could torpedo the eventual nominee, but I just have to think that by then "we have to beat Biden/Harris/*insert name*" will take center stage. But in a close election he might be able to trip them up. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Husyelt
United States837 Posts
On January 07 2021 09:51 Neneu wrote: I have one question for you Danglars. Do you still believe that Trump weren't serious/able about trying to get a third term (assuming he had won his second) ? Great to see that you finally have had a change of heart and are seeing the fascist for what he is. I still think Trump was trying to stir up as much shit as humanely possible and didn't think it would come to this, and then sail off to whatever media company he thinks would fit his Brand best. His campaign needed to pay off debts and these past two months of election fraud edit* claims! has rolled in hundreds of millions of dollars for that. I dont think he is a fascist, just an opportunist with no shame, and you know the powers of the presidency. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22132 Posts
On January 07 2021 09:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I imagine the events of today soured a lot of apatite for that.That won't stop Republican leaders from crying foul and still pushing for recounts anyway, sadly. A couple of hours ago I would have agreed with you 100%, now I don't know. I expect the defence and indulgence of Trump to be dropped real fast. They can no longer hide behind this the idea that this is purely theatrics. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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KwarK
United States43677 Posts
On January 07 2021 09:59 Husyelt wrote: I still think Trump was trying to stir up as much shit as humanely possible and didn't think it would come to this, and then sail off to whatever media company he thinks would fit his Brand best. His campaign needed to pay off debts and these past two months of election fraud edit* claims! has rolled in hundreds of millions of dollars for that. I dont think he is a fascist, just an opportunist with no shame, and you know the powers of the presidency. You don't think the guy who openly called for the arrest of his political opponents, required oaths of personal loyalty from the judiciary, had his justice department brand political opponents a terror group and investigate them, assembled an army of brownshirts, refused to leave power, and then attempted to stop the constitutional transfer of power with said army of brownshirts is a fascist? You know he can be both an opportunist and a fascist, right? | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On top: Future violations of the Twitter Rules, including our Civic Integrity or Violent Threats policies, will result in permanent suspension of the @realDonaldTrump account. As called. edit: if someone did, apologies, didn't see it. I can't imagine the storm brewing now, having trump stew in his own paranoid juices for 12 hours until (if that's the case, anyway) he can tweet again.. Gonna be juicy, me thinks. I wonder if S230 comes up, at all. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On January 07 2021 09:43 Nouar wrote: And if you add, to be not extreme, 10% of covid deaths due to him being unable to simply say "stay safe, protect yourself and others, try to reduce your social interactions and be responsible" ? (10% still means nearly 30,000dead americans) Or just the alleged 700people dead to covid from attending rallies? Or just the one that died today? Those three judges are worth how much exactly? That's what supporting an irresponsible fuck for selfish reasons get you. Maybe with the tensions so high in this thread, picking this moment to rehash the national response to COVID and how much Trump is to blame isn't advisable. It's like asking for nuanced looks at the history of his presidency when there's a forum mob screaming "FASCIST" through the window. First, wait for people to have a good sleep and wake up without being put in jail for criticizing Trump, then onto the good and bad of the presidency. So I'll keep it short: I think the American response was always going to look like 50 state responses, and partisanship predating Trump would always limit the effectiveness of any kind of national coordination. He had his ups, like limiting travel when Democrats accused him of zenophobia and would've dreadfully mismanaged that stage comparatively, to downs, like his primary job in a crisis like this is to communicate the advice from Birx and Fauci and he failed in that. I have an overall negative view to his presidential behavior/"handling" during the crisis, but doubt that you can fairly attribute significant loss of life on a president's doorstep compared to alternative officeholders. This compared to Cuomo, literally ordering sick covid elderly back to their nursing homes and personally responsible for killing thousands, and refusing to release the numbers, and deleting the order from his website. Anyways, I'll be interested in sharing further if you're still interested in hearing it. | ||
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Introvert
United States4908 Posts
On January 07 2021 10:01 Starlightsun wrote: Desantis, Introvert, really? Dude is a massive asshole and Trump wannabe. lol, you're memory is outdated from primary season 2018. The quality that gets him noticed is when he forcefully pushes back on reporters, a trait Trump had, but executed...poorly. Like him or not he has governed as a serious executive, doing the things he promised to do, and apparently can't be cowed into reversing course on things. He is NOT a Trump wannabe, that much is obvious 2 years later. Hell, he can even say he helped make Florida an even better state in terms of elections. But this is way too early, I only give him as a hypothetical example, though admittedly he is my favorite at the moment (still very early, again). | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8725 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 07 2021 10:05 m4ini wrote: Nobody mentioned yet that Twitter banned trump from posting for the next 12 hours? https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety/status/1346970431039934464 On top: As called. edit: if someone did, apologies, didn't see it. I can't imagine the storm brewing now, having trump stew in his own paranoid juices for 12 hours until (if that's the case, anyway) he can tweet again.. Gonna be juicy, me thinks. I wonder if S230 comes up, at all. was mentioned before but didn't see the official statement from twitter | ||
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