US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2950

On January 07 2021 06:09 Danglars wrote:

Trump's speech would inspire this kind of riot at the capitol, or Trump was the end of Democracy? You must be forgetting the kinds of claims that were bandied about earlier. Don't retcon your previous predictions to fit with current reality, bro.

On January 07 2021 07:00 Dan HH wrote:

Yeah I expect they'll just throw Trump under the bus and go back to pretending they have values, as if he could have done any of this without the spineless sycophancy of non true believers.

On January 07 2021 07:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Why aren't these people being arrested?

On January 07 2021 06:47 ChristianS wrote:
Idk why everybody is raging at Danglars when Introvert was the onevboth sides-ing political violence and + Show Spoiler + criticizing “weak” Dem politicians for insufficiently condemning riots this summer.

Honestly Danglars I don’t know how you rile everyone up so much. I think xDaunt might have been a literal white nationalist and I still see people on here saying “xDaunt was fine, Danglars is the really bad one.” Don’t get me wrong, I’ve gotten pretty frustrated arguing with you before but I don’t know what it is about your posts that bothers people so much.

On January 07 2021 07:06 Jockmcplop wrote:
tbf danglars has not attempted to support Trump's complaints about the election, which are at the root of this incident.
Blaming danglars and Trump supporters in general for this isn't really fair, as long as they have respected the election result. This is about fascism and democracy, not the other issues that people hate about Trump.

On January 07 2021 07:12 zeo wrote:

Trump and his administration have been spineless pussies throughout his term. He should have known that they would steal the election and should fought them tooth an nail every single step of the way BEFORE the election. Its too late now to grow a spine, they let down the entire country and let the election get stolen.

Kicking out party members will only split the Republican party, they all know that a splinter party will emerge and it will swallow the GOP whole. A lot more people voted for Trump rather than the Republican party.

In any case the Republican Party as a whole shit the bed on this one

On January 07 2021 07:25 Danglars wrote:74 million people in 2020 signed on to political violence in the event of a lost election.

Trump and his administration have been spineless pussies throughout his term. He should have known that they would steal the election and should fought them tooth an nail every single step of the way BEFORE the election. Its too late now to grow a spine, they let down the entire country and let the election get stolen.

On January 07 2021 07:25 Danglars wrote:

I think they've pretty much already told you at this point. I compose a post, and by the time I hit the button, there's already like 8 more posts addressed to me to read.

I just want to hold up a mirror, and ask people if their message for 2022 is "You voted for Trump, which means you're insufficiently intolerant of fascism, and you own today's violence." It sounds a lot different than "Okay, we're going to convince you that redistributing the money from taxes on the rich is a better way of handling the plight of the poor, and we'll pay more attention to the trade policies. We really want to fight against the opium epidemic that is killing off your small towns." It's just a little too much time spent on Democracy=Majority Vote, and too little on Democratic society living with people of different political ideologies (Insert BUT THEIR IDEOLOGY IS REALLY FASCISM shitposter here). I don't really believe there's so many people that dig the shared responsibility anger for the worst act of their politicians, but I try to practice the policy that posters are sincerely relaying their general thoughts (of course, not the ones that tell me they'd likely fight me in a bar or throw an egg at me in the streets, those people I really do think are just playing it up for the internet)

You don't have to act like 64 million people in 2016 and 74 million people in 2020 signed on to political violence in the event of a lost election. I'm reading anger and frustration at the political ideas I represent as the person voicing them. It's much easier to let off steam at anonymous strangers on the internet, rather than that Trump supporter in your family (and I do encourage the most vicious posters here to temper their comments to what they would say to a family member in the flesh that voted differently).

On January 07 2021 07:10 Danglars wrote:

I sincerely hope that people's lives are not endangered because we debate these topics. I'm not okay with people's lives being endangered that aren't engaging in criminal activities like violent riots.


Liquid'Drone had the right perspective asking about 2020. You're acting like the 2016 election had voters lining up to endorse claiming the 2020 was stolen. Trump stood for issues matter to regular Americans, and Hillary spoke on different topics and didn't even think it was worth it to visit Wisconsin in her campaign. The actions of their choice after losing in 2020 doesn't change the transformation of the debate in this country from 2016-2019. Those years are still yet to be judged by historians in light of the terrible end.

I post on this subject because I've debated it over and over within myself about what I believe and how that relates to political candidates and what others believe. The binary choice every 4 years is an absolutely horrible way to judge political positions.

A vote for Hillary is not necessarily because you want hundreds or thousands (more?) dead in Libya. A vote for Trump is not love for the actions of a minority of his supporters, egged on by Trump for two months now. A vote for Truman was not because you liked to see millions of Japanese dead from an atomic bomb. A vote for FDR didn't mean you want to see the internment of Japanese Americans. You just can't make that leap of logic, and I will die on that hill. It's a cheapening of the debate and a dehumanizing of actual American citizens with all their ideas, hopes, and dreams. I say, leave it on the playground of children.

Inside that Senate stands a man that nearly died by the hands of a Bernie Bro that opened fire at a baseball stadium. He had been to all the forums raging vociferously against the evil Republicans and wrote down the names of congressmen from my party. He stood in a time when top Democrats were calling Republicans evil and Sanders himself had accused Republicans of encouraging violence, right-wing reactionaries, intimidation etc. I'm going to hold every Sanders supporter responsible only for their reasons for voting, and only despise them if they approve of what one of his more impassioned supporters did. This logic does not change if the body count was 20, or the protest was 100, or the actors were 50 more members of "Eliminate the Republicans" Facebook Group. Hold the politician accountable (YES judge Trump for his part in this, and impeach and remove), respect the calculus of a binary choice. Trump's impact on the future of America is not just his final two months of the presidency, nor do the "this was always gonna happen, and you voted for it" worthwhile to the continued maintenance of Democracy. Neither is the final tally on "Was it worth it" already written.

A vote for Hillary is not necessarily because you want hundreds or thousands (more?) dead in Libya. A vote for Trump is not love for the actions of a minority of his supporters, egged on by Trump for two months now. A vote for Truman was not because you liked to see millions of Japanese dead from an atomic bomb. A vote for FDR didn't mean you want to see the internment of Japanese Americans. You just can't make that leap of logic, and I will die on that hill. It's a cheapening of the debate and a dehumanizing of actual American citizens with all their ideas, hopes, and dreams. I say, leave it on the playground of children.